My first cycle

**swm1972** · 08-12-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by AdhamE

I say go for it buddy. i ran my first cycle at 18 too.
i weighted 165 and im 5'10 and had been training for 4 years due to football
i did test-cyp only for 12 weeks then when i was on my pcts i took nolvadex and anavar and kept alot of my gains
started at 165 and now sit at 187 . my advice is just shoot slightly less then 1ml every 3 day. i started at 0.8 and then progressed to 1ml
i had no side effects , no acme . maybe a little rage and depression when i was off but nothing you cant handle
make sure you take anavar as a pct , you keep alot of the test gains and all the var gains.
18 is a fine age to run as long as u personally feel your mostly done growing

Anavar is a steroid . If you stopped taking test and replaced it with anavar you substituted one steroid for another and didn't come off.

OP, don't take advice from people like this. It is painfully obvious this guy shouldn't be making decisions for himself without seeking out advice, he certainly is in no position to be handing advice out given his extremely limited knowledge.

I don't care if you cycle or not. I'm not in the 'wait until you are 25 years old group' that seems to be popular here. I think 18 is too young. When is the right time? That just depends on too many variables and each individual person is different. But I wouldn't have cycled at 18 knowing what I know now because I know I could gain substantial amounts of muscle simply by tweaking my diet and training. Gear is great. But if you jump on before you are close to your max potential I will absolutely guarantee you will shrink back to close to your starting weight in pct. If you can't gain natural you won't hold gains in pct because you don't know how to eat and train. Honestly those two are far more important aspects of success then the gear you inject 2 or 3 times a week.

Good luck.

**wampo** · 08-12-2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Anavar is a steroid . If you stopped taking test and replaced it with anavar you substituted one steroid for another and didn't come off.

OP, don't take advice from people like this. It is painfully obvious this guy shouldn't be making decisions for himself without seeking out advice, he certainly is in no position to be handing advice out given his extremely limited knowledge.

I don't care if you cycle or not. I'm not in the 'wait until you are 25 years old group' that seems to be popular here. I think 18 is too young. When is the right time? That just depends on too many variables and each individual person is different. But I wouldn't have cycled at 18 knowing what I know now because I know I could gain substantial amounts of muscle simply by tweaking my diet and training. Gear is great. But if you jump on before you are close to your max potential I will absolutely guarantee you will shrink back to close to your starting weight in pct. If you can't gain natural you won't hold gains in pct because you don't know how to eat and train. Honestly those two are far more important aspects of success then the gear you inject 2 or 3 times a week.

Good luck.

I knew that guy's response was really dumb because anavar isn't for pct LOL. But then again I guess your right, I have to first get to my genetic potential before using AAS... I guess I'll put the stuff away in the drawer for a year or 2. When does AAS Test E expire?

**gixxerboy1** · 08-12-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by wampo

I knew that guy's response was really dumb because anavar isn't for pct LOL. But then again I guess your right, I have to first get to my genetic potential before using AAS... I guess I'll put the stuff away in the drawer for a year or 2. When does AAS Test E expire?

its will last many many years

**wampo** · 08-12-2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

its will last many many years

You think I should do it when I'm 21?

**Bevsta123** · 08-12-2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by wampo

You think I should do it when I'm 21?

You awnsered your own question in your post before...

Originally Posted by wampo

I knew that guy's response was really dumb because anavar isn't for pct LOL. But then again I guess your right, I have to first get to my genetic potential before using AAS... I guess I'll put the stuff away in the drawer for a year or 2. When does AAS Test E expire?

**kronik420** · 08-12-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by wampo

You think I should do it when I'm 21?

IMO, when you get over 200 pounds (91kg), you should be ready to go, might take you more than a couple years, but if you are dedicated enough, you will get there, and if you aren't dedicated enough, then you shouldn't be messing with AAS.

**manmanman** · 08-12-2012, 10:58 PM

91kg @ what bf?

**kronik420** · 08-12-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by manmanman

91kg @ what bf?

under 15%

**wampo** · 08-13-2012, 02:38 AM

but wait, my friend who did a cycle said HCG would fix my test levels back to the way they were before, so I'm thinking about actually doing test e with HCG!

**Twin** · 08-13-2012, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by wampo

but wait, my friend who did a cycle said HCG would fix my test levels back to the way they were before, so I'm thinking about actually doing test e with HCG!

ur friends a retard. dont listen to him... listen to the board... there are vets on here that know there shit... do ur research

**gonzo6183** · 08-13-2012, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by wampo

WOW, I can't believe the comments I'm getting. I'm better off drinking/smoking/clubbing??? Hell freaking know, did you no that drinking and smoking decreases your test levels too?? and kudos for Metalject, what is the ideal cycle for an 18 year old that will not shut down my test levels then? Anavar seems like the healthiest steroid yes but I heard it can shut down your test too -.- is there any healthy steroid cycle??

Kid you need to listen up, yes drinking and smoking and rooting sl*ts will more than likely do less long term damage to yuo now that AAS will. "your 19 yr old mates" might seem fine noe but they may not be for too long and will they tell you they cant f*ck anymore or just keep teling you they hook uop? you wont ever know the reality until you damage yourself.

Do you even realise that at your age with a solid diet you can EASILY get steroid like gains with a solid diet and training regime? you can get that 20-30lbs in the next 6 months if you learn to eat and the best part, youll probably keep your gains and keep having sex and if you cycle you would likely loose 90% of what you gain then go through PCT and beyond which is very unpleasant for almost all of us but we are old enough and mature enough to handle it.

Good luck if you go ahead, youre going to need it...

**gonzo6183** · 08-13-2012, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by wampo

but wait, my friend who did a cycle said HCG would fix my test levels back to the way they were before, so I'm thinking about actually doing test e with HCG!

Thats not what HCG does or how it works, yes it will benifit you in several way but it will not return your test to how it was before.

Stick with the put it in a draw plan, go to the diet section and learn to eat, once you get that going you will be amazed and the steroid like gains will come naturally and youll keep it

**Metalject** · 08-13-2012, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by wampo

WOW, I can't believe the comments I'm getting. I'm better off drinking/smoking/clubbing??? Hell freaking know, did you no that drinking and smoking decreases your test levels too?? and kudos for Metalject, what is the ideal cycle for an 18 year old that will not shut down my test levels then? Anavar seems like the healthiest steroid yes but I heard it can shut down your test too -.- is there any healthy steroid cycle??

Like everyone else said, Anavar will suppress testosterone . Your age really doesn't have anything to do with it. Now, I brought up Anavar because it won't completely shut you down...not you because you're only 18 but in general. It will suppress but not shut down.

As for your "healthy steroid cycle" question. There are a million combination you can come up with that can be healthy, or rather, won't do you any harm. However, this requires being smart about your use. If it's causing you harm, it's not healthy, and in your case, a cycle is going to cause your body harm and undue stress. Will it kill you? No, but it will put your body under a lot of stress.

As for the healthiest steroid, for a man that's testosterone hands down, not Anavar. Anavar is very side effect friendly for most people, but I would still call testosterone the healthiest steroid based on what it can actually do for your health, and for the simple fact that the body is well-accustomed to it.

**gonzo6183** · 08-13-2012, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Like everyone else said, Anavar will suppress testosterone . Your age really doesn't have anything to do with it. Now, I brought up Anavar because it won't completely shut you down...not you because you're only 18 but in general. It will suppress but not shut down.

As for your "healthy steroid cycle" question. There are a million combination you can come up with that can be healthy, or rather, won't do you any harm. However, this requires being smart about your use. If it's causing you harm, it's not healthy, and in your case, a cycle is going to cause your body harm and undue stress. Will it kill you? No, but it will put your body under a lot of stress.

As for the healthiest steroid, for a man that's testosterone hands down, not Anavar. Anavar is very side effect friendly for most people, but I would still call testosterone the healthiest steroid based on what it can actually do for your health, and for the simple fact that the body is well-accustomed to it.

I have to respectfully disagree with this comment completely and believe that EVERY cycle will do damage, the only thing you MAY be able to limit is the amount of damage done

**Metalject** · 08-13-2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by gonzo6183

I have to respectfully disagree with this comment completely and believe that EVERY cycle will do damage, the only thing you MAY be able to limit is the amount of damage done

Why will every cycle do damage? Take a guy using testosterone , if his cholesterol and blood pressure doesn't get out of line, his prostate stays in check and there's obviously no liver issues, for most adult men how could a cycle of testosterone be viewed as doing damage? The individual is a lot better off than they were before.

**Bevsta123** · 08-13-2012, 10:32 AM

Think of it this way. Nothing good ever comes without a price, if it sounds too good to be true it usually isnt.

**wampo** · 08-13-2012, 02:12 PM

What if I use HCG during the cycle to keep my natty test going? I heard it works great???

**gixxerboy1** · 08-13-2012, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by wampo

What if I use HCG during the cycle to keep my natty test going? I heard it works great???

you heard wrong, your natural test will be shut down on cycle, hcg or not.

**wampo** · 08-13-2012, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

you heard wrong, your natural test will be shut down on cycle, hcg or not.

wouldn't my natty test turn to normal though since HCG is clearly powerful on doing that.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-13-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by wampo

wouldn't my natty test turn to normal though since HCG is clearly powerful on doing that.

clearly you dont understand how alot of the drugs work. no it wont

**Woollster00** · 08-13-2012, 06:54 PM

Hahaha this thread has kept me entertained for a good 30 minutes

**BigBadWolf** · 08-13-2012, 07:03 PM

I have a fukin headache now!!!

**Woollster00** · 08-13-2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

IMO, when you get over 200 pounds (91kg), you should be ready to go, might take you more than a couple years, but if you are dedicated enough, you will get there, and if you aren't dedicated enough, then you shouldn't be messing with AAS.

Not a pro or anything but bodyweight isn't really a measure of when you should go on a cycle as different people weigh different amounts at different heights 91kg for someone like me at 5 ft 8 is a ridiculous weight to achieve without being morbidly obese but back to the op i would listen to the guys on here especially that story i have friends that have done a cycle too at 19 and 20 sure they look great and they think they are fine but i bet they are gonna have problems in the future not to mention 1 of them suffered from really bad depression after seeing the water retention dissapear and dropping from 93kg to 87kg keep it natural i say fix your training and diet i make plenty of gains and i am the same age as you 18 what's your diet like?

**wampo** · 08-13-2012, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Woollster00

Not a pro or anything but bodyweight isn't really a measure of when you should go on a cycle as different people weigh different amounts at different heights 91kg for someone like me at 5 ft 8 is a ridiculous weight to achieve without being morbidly obese but back to the op i would listen to the guys on here especially that story i have friends that have done a cycle too at 19 and 20 sure they look great and they think they are fine but i bet they are gonna have problems in the future not to mention 1 of them suffered from really bad depression after seeing the water retention dissapear and dropping from 93kg to 87kg keep it natural i say fix your training and diet i make plenty of gains and i am the same age as you 18 what's your diet like?

My diet consist of 2300 calories

meal 1:
1 cup of oatmeal
3 eggs

meal 2:
1 cup of oatmeal
3 eggs

meal 3:
banana 1 cup of oatmeal
4 eggs

after gym:

meal 4:
1 cup of white rice
150gram lean chicken breast

meal 5:
1 cup of oatmeal
150gram chicken breast

meal 6:

200 grams of cottage cheese
32 grams of peanut butter

all together is 2300 calories, maybe a little more not sure, but I am gaining weight so I'm in the right track, do not say you have to eat more because I gain about .5 pounds of fat a weak on this diet when I'm clean bulking

I know i am suppose to get fast carbs in the morning, but really, who ****ing cares I'm gaining weight anyway and I'm getting enough calories

**gixxerboy1** · 08-13-2012, 09:51 PM

well if your gaining weight on that your lucky. Remember you need to keep adding more to it though. That diet will plateau out a certain weight, your diet needs to keep evolving as you change

**wampo** · 08-13-2012, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

well if your gaining weight on that your lucky. Remember you need to keep adding more to it though. That diet will plateau out a certain weight, your diet needs to keep evolving as you change

I know, that's the cool part about it I probably have a slow materialism.

**Musab19** · 08-13-2012, 10:33 PM

One question about the hyper pigmentation. Does ur age have to do anything with it?? I mean like uf you get the pigmentation from AAS at the age of 18 its because of howe your body react too aas, the same person would probaply get the same pigmentation if they did a cycle in the last twenties right??

**gonzo6183** · 08-14-2012, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Why will every cycle do damage? Take a guy using testosterone, if his cholesterol and blood pressure doesn't get out of line, his prostate stays in check and there's obviously no liver issues, for most adult men how could a cycle of testosterone be viewed as doing damage? The individual is a lot better off than they were before.

If you are shutting down your bodies natural production then you are doing damage to your system, as I said you May be able to limit the amount of damage by taking the correct precautions but again i believe that every cycle will do damage to some degree

**Metalject** · 08-14-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by gonzo6183

If you are shutting down your bodies natural production then you are doing damage to your system, as I said you May be able to limit the amount of damage by taking the correct precautions but again i believe that every cycle will do damage to some degree

I don't think we can equate the suppression of natural testosterone production to damage. If the suppression occurs, if we're providing our body with the testosterone it needs while on cycle and we are able to recover our natural testosterone production after the cycle, then no damage has been done.

**ghettoboyd** · 08-14-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I don't think we can equate the suppression of natural testosterone production to damage. If the suppression occurs, if we're providing our body with the testosterone it needs while on cycle and we are able to recover our natural testosterone production after the cycle, then no damage has been done.

i believe that every cycle that suppresses/shuts us down causes some damage...it may not be evedent on your first few cycles if you bounce back quickly but in my experiance every cycle after like the first 3-4 have hit me a bit harder recoverywise then the previous one...that being said im also 40yrs old so its to be expected sence my natty test is in decline anyways naturaly...