mass + definition?

**Gioz** · 10-09-2012, 12:21 PM

hello all There is a cycle where you lose fat and get muscles? Tren + albuterol or clen and clomid pct?

**Capebuffalo** · 10-09-2012, 12:25 PM

Your only 18

Please go to the nutrition section

Thats the best place to start

**Gioz** · 10-09-2012, 12:30 PM

not for me .. My friend is a 25 year old

**Capebuffalo** · 10-09-2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Gioz

not for me .. My friend is a 25 year old

Ask your friend to join. It is free

**fit2bOld** · 10-09-2012, 01:03 PM

Looking forward to helping out your friend....

**warmouth** · 10-09-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gioz

not for me .. My friend is a 25 year old

Please read the educational threads. You can literally find everything you want to know if you are willing to look. But please read about youth and steriods first off so you know what you can potentially do to yourself. Please dont take the route that seems easy. Put in effort now and juice later. No rush. You have no idea of the hell you can do to yourself at your age. And I know, I have been there. If you think you can look like a god quick, you cant. Look at CapeBuffalo....

(mind trick) Please read up on all the threads and educate yourself. Good luck!

**Gioz** · 10-10-2012, 03:52 AM

thanks I posteresti post? are connected by iphone thanks

**Gioz** · 10-14-2012, 06:08 AM

Trenbolone 500mcg per day 6week
Caffeine 300mg empty stomach
Ephedrine 30mg empty stomach
pct clomid 100mg to climb 20days

**RoadToHuge** · 10-14-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Gioz

Trenbolone 500mcg per day 6week
Caffeine 300mg empty stomach
Ephedrine 30mg empty stomach
pct clomid 100mg to climb 20days

Please do not give advice. Someone could get hurt.

**jwws9999** · 10-14-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by RoadToHuge

Please do not give advice. Someone could get hurt.

besides, that much caffeine and ephedrine on an empty stomach will make you puke and wipe out your apetite

**warmouth** · 10-14-2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Gioz

Trenbolone 500mcg per day 6week
Caffeine 300mg empty stomach
Ephedrine 30mg empty stomach
pct clomid 100mg to climb 20days

This is horrific. Do not do this!

**Gioz** · 10-14-2012, 08:15 AM

why? What is your advice?

**panntastic** · 10-14-2012, 02:09 PM

500mcg of tren is 3.5mg a week how the hell is "your friend" gonna measure that

**Gioz** · 10-15-2012, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

500mcg of tren is 3.5mg a week how the hell is "your friend" gonna measure that

but oral tren

**Phased** · 10-15-2012, 02:19 AM

Someone could get seriously hurt by reading this. Anyone reading, Please do not follow any dosages on this thread its very wrong.

**panntastic** · 10-15-2012, 02:24 AM

Oral tren is still 3.5mg a week regardless

I'm sure oral tren isn't a real AAS more of a herbal substitute.

I could take 3.5mg of tren base powder and it wouldn't do jack!

Fella just give up planning this cycle and research the stickies

Your to young and you WILL mess up your body why the rush

**panntastic** · 10-15-2012, 03:24 AM

100mg Clomid will make you and emotional wreck especially after not actually shutting down your natural test.
Caffeine and eph are gonna make you jittery but all in all its a really crappy idea

**Gioz** · 10-15-2012, 03:36 AM

What would you do as you cycle then?

**ironbeck** · 10-15-2012, 03:44 AM

your an idiot........tell your friend he is an idiot too.

**Gioz** · 10-15-2012, 03:47 AM

boy I knew then what can you advise me? do not continue to say things that have nothing to do with the post thanks

**The Titan99** · 10-15-2012, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

your an idiot........tell your friend he is an idiot too.

Really!! WOW!! Could you imagine having this conversation in person? I have this picture in my head of this guy cornering Marcus and saying this exact thing in person. LMAO!!!

**Gioz** · 10-15-2012, 04:48 AM

titan what do you recommend?

**panntastic** · 10-15-2012, 05:18 AM

Look your to young
Hit up the diet section and learn everything you can

**cherrydrpepper** · 10-15-2012, 11:31 AM

I got a little sick to my stomach just thinking about running your cycle idea lol

OP please just maybe set a goal to spend 50-100 hours reading about working out, diet and aas then make a decision after that. You don't know much about aas and need to do a lot of reading to make an informed decision. I personally have spent.. I dont know, its in the 100s of hours if you lump diets/meals/supps/aas/workouts together and I still learn new things and find things I could have been doing better.

**< <Samson> >** · 10-15-2012, 04:41 PM

OP and OP's "friend" don't hurt yourself. . . . It wont be worth it. Do some serious research, juice isn't a supplement.

**Big Rob78** · 10-27-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Gioz

Trenbolone 500mcg per day 6week
Caffeine 300mg empty stomach
Ephedrine 30mg empty stomach
pct clomid 100mg to climb 20days

Please don't do this. First off, you need to run your nutrition right. Eat lots of healthy foods, 3 big meals a day with 3 big snacks a day between those meals. Fast food does not count with the exception of grocery store delis. You don't have to starve yourself to lose fat, you just have to have the right portion of fast carbs, slow carbs, and proteins in the right ratios in your system all the time and then you'll lose fat and gain muscle. You should focus on making all your food and storing it in tupperware containers for easy access. Be in the gym lifting with a good plan, don't overtrain (no more than 10 sets of 10 per body part {all different lifts included} per day and no more than 2 body parts per day for starters). Other supplements you would need would be a good whey isolate for post workout recovery, dymatize iso-100 is a really clean one, and a good ephedra fat burner would be hi-tech pharma lipodrene (get the one with ephedra and only use it as directed, they are strong). A good low/no creatine preworkout would be good, optimum nutrition platinum pre-, optimum nutrition amino energy, german american tech nitraflex, dymatize xpand 2x (do not take the lipodrene within 3 hrs of taking your preworkout). Extend or elite recoup for intra workout and amino acids. And optimum or dymatize casein before bed ro keep your anabolic throughout the night. As for hormonal stuff, don't use tren . You're not ready for that. Get something with epistane and max-LMG (drink lots of water and use a joint supplement because the epistane dries you out.) You might even be able to find something with epi, max, and methyl-sten. 4-6 weeks of that would be sufficient, you don't need to run it at that heavy of a dose. That much clomid will damage your eyesight if you use it for that long. I've always used 7-10 grams of D-apartic acid powder, 4+ grams of tribulus, 6-Bromo and/or ATD 150 mg+ a day and other test boosting herbs. That's what I've always post-cycled with for "prohormones". I've done some strong one and I've never had any problems bouncing back and maintaining my gains with that. You might want to do some research and find out what PCTs would be right for you.
If you do all this right, you could cut your body fat in half and probably put on 10-15 lbs of muscle, a lot of size and strength in a matter of months and maintain it.

As far as everyone else on this post, telling this person who is obviously trying to find the shortest short-cuts to read a whole bunch of stuff is not going to help. lol

**qscgugcsq** · 10-27-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

your an idiot........tell your friend he is an idiot too.

Agree on that

**cro** · 10-28-2012, 05:06 AM

what the hell is this loser of a plan^^^^^ recipe for a heart attack

Originally Posted by warmouth

This is horrific. Do not do this!

**warmouth** · 10-28-2012, 05:41 AM

Why was this thread bumped after 2 weeks? I think everyone was glad it faded away and was the intent, until now. Now it is back on the front page, ready for any newbie to look at it and the doseages.