sgt2jay and Jimmyinkedup cjc/ghrp combination log !!

[kmms]

From ar-r

no, it isn't. cjc1293 on its own is cjc1293-DAC, just as cjc1295 is cjc1295-DAC, unless specifically listed otherwise they both are DAC. you can have cjc1293 without DAC but simply calling cjc1293 "cjc1295 without DAC" is incorrect.

similar to calling cjc1295 without DAC, "mod grf1-29". they are not the same. mod grf1-29 is the best for our purposes. cjc 1295 without DAC comes next. hopefully once customers begin asking for mod grf1-29 specifically (and refusing when retailers say "oh cjc1295 without DAC is the same thing"), retailers will be forced to offer mod grf1-29 specifically, and not relabel or mistakenly (purposefully or not) misrepresent them as the same product.

[largerthannormal]

exactly ^^^^^


and now its time for my write up to clear up all the confusion............. ill be back " in a separate post so we dont whore up your guys log anymore! "

[largerthannormal]

^^ i keep everything in the fridge

hey 405 my 7 year old son walked by while i was on here and said dang daddy you need to start working harder if you are going to look like that. he was referring to your avi

LOL nice!!!

[largerthannormal]

Great updates guys!! your inspiring me to keep with it!!

[sgt2jay]

keep with it. I have to day i am seeing more results daily. recently i adjusted my calorie intake upping it about 300 cals a day roughly at about a 45/35/20 split. this has done 2 things for me 1 i am not as hungry so no longer grabbing all the goodie the mother in-law made during her recent trip and 2 i am seeing more and more change in the mid section. vascularity has gotten more pronounced in my legs arms and shoulder and this is only a month in to running straight peps.

i would still lean towards the fact that my diet has changed and gotten more focused since the holidays but i have to say i am liking so far.

[jimmyinkedup]

I am def pleased. As to be expected with my diet more in check the results are more pronounced I believe. Im looking very forward to the upcoming months - I hope my expectations aren't inflated but I started with minimal expectations ad am very pleased so far for sure.

[largerthannormal]

keep with it. I have to day i am seeing more results daily. recently i adjusted my calorie intake upping it about 300 cals a day roughly at about a 45/35/20 split. this has done 2 things for me 1 i am not as hungry so no longer grabbing all the goodie the mother in-law made during her recent trip and 2 i am seeing more and more change in the mid section. vascularity has gotten more pronounced in my legs arms and shoulder and this is only a month in to running straight peps.

i would still lean towards the fact that my diet has changed and gotten more focused since the holidays but i have to say i am liking so far.

I am in your same boat bro, when i really dial in diet and time out all the shots perfect i really see and feel a big difference, the longer i go with out a cheat or a missed timed shot i see greater and great results!! Damn holidays!! lol

[largerthannormal]

I am def pleased. As to be expected with my diet more in check the results are more pronounced I believe. Im looking very forward to the upcoming months - I hope my expectations aren't inflated but I started with minimal expectations ad am very pleased so far for sure.

This is exactly what i wanna hear!! Saweeeet!!!!!!!!!!

[largerthannormal]

Bad news guy

I was hoping what was in ar-r bottle labled "CJC-1293" was acutally cjc-1295 w/o DAC AKA MOD GRF(1-29) because that was their description.

Turns out you have CJC-1293, which has DAC and the slightly different half life.

I had a convo with ar-r and he confirmed it, they also changed their descriptions.

I am hoping in the future they will carry the 1295 w/o DAC

Maybe this is why you dont have the instant head flush feeling like i have which is a fast instant pulse, as you guys are getting the slow release GH " constant"

I was hoping it was the other way around and they mislabled it 1293 hoping just the description was correct...


on another note, its good to hear the 1293 shows great results too!!

[sgt2jay]

to add to this.

they way I unders stand 1293 with dac it is a once a week injection due to the slow tapper of the compound (larger will correct me if i am wrong). so if we are using 1293 under the assumption it is 1295 w/o dac and following the incorrect protocol then we are over dosing by abut 20x.

i am adjusting my protocol to this until i can get some 1295 w/o dac:

thusday only 500mcg 1293 one time in am and ghrp-2 3x a day
friday - wed ghrp-2 (only) 3x a day

[sgt2jay]

Did a bit more reading and I think if using 1293 w dac protocal may work best at on 100 mcg dose in the am along with ghrp 3x a day at 100mcg

[kmms]

Did a bit more reading and I think if using 1293 w dac protocal may work best at on 100 mcg dose in the am along with ghrp 3x a day at 100mcg

this is the way to do it if you're stuck with the cjc's. pin it the same as if it were mod grf1-29. do not pin it once per week in mg's, do it 3 times per day in mcg's.

[largerthannormal]

Did a bit more reading and I think if using 1293 w dac protocal may work best at on 100 mcg dose in the am along with ghrp 3x a day at 100mcg

Yep!!

although 90% of the peeps with 93 still do 3x per day... again they probably are unfamailair with what they have.

[jimmyinkedup]

this is the way to do it if you're stuck with the cjc's. pin it the same as if it were mod grf1-29. do not pin it once per week in mg's, do it 3 times per day in mcg's.

Did a bit more reading and I think if using 1293 w dac protocal may work best at on 100 mcg dose in the am along with ghrp 3x a day at 100mcg

Is it me or are you guys saying 2 separate things? It sounds to me like sgt2jay is saying cjc1923 1x/day , in am at 100mcg for a total of 100mcg/day and keep running ghrp at 3-100mcg inj/day for a total of 300mcg/day.
kkms- It seems to me like you are saying to keep running as we are now. cjc1293 and ghrp. both at 300mcg/day split into 3 100mcg/inj.

Am I wrong ?

[sgt2jay]

^^ i think they are say we continue as we started. i am now out of 1293 and since i am out of town next week the timing is perfect. it will give me time to search for soem 1295 w/o dac and carry on.

Jimmy - i would do a bit more research on running your 1293 3x a day. from what m302 say you run the risk of gh bleed which i havent read much on it but doesnt sound like something we want.

I will have hours of hotel time next week so i will read up as much as i can.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^ i think they are say we continue as we started. i am now out of 1293 and since i am out of town next week the timing is perfect. it will give me time to search for soem 1295 w/o dac and carry on.

Jimmy - i would do a bit more research on running your 1293 3x a day. from what m302 say you run the risk of gh bleed which i havent read much on it but doesnt sound like something we want.

I will have hours of hotel time next week so i will read up as much as i can.

I def will research buddy and TY for doing the same. Thanks for your help with this as well man. You and larger and a few other guys have helped me learn more about these peps. I am just glad that whatever I was doing it was at least working and it establishes a starting point for me in the peptide area. I'm sitting on a lot of the 1293 and plan on running every bit of it. I just wanna make sure im running it properly. Have a great weekend buddy!

[largerthannormal]

we should compare your blood work to mine. it be interesting!! ( if i had money to spare on it right now, lol)

[jimmyinkedup]

we should compare your blood work to mine. it be interesting!! ( if i had money to spare on it right now, lol)

Im not opposed to this. I guess serum gh and igf would be what we would look at ?

[--->>405<<---]

hey guys just checking in! i just finished my first vials of mod and ghrp-2 this am.. leaning out like a mofo! dont know of its the pep, diet or both but i like it! oter than that i have noticed zero sides on peps.. nothing.. after that first day..

[sgt2jay]

glad all is well i sent ya a PM

[kmms]

Is it me or are you guys saying 2 separate things? It sounds to me like sgt2jay is saying cjc1923 1x/day , in am at 100mcg for a total of 100mcg/day and keep running ghrp at 3-100mcg inj/day for a total of 300mcg/day.
kkms- It seems to me like you are saying to keep running as we are now. cjc1293 and ghrp. both at 300mcg/day split into 3 100mcg/inj.

Am I wrong ?

yes that's what i would do myself certainly. treat the 1293 or 1295 as if it were mod grf1-29 and use it 3 times per day at 1mcg/kg. 100mcg's is quite easy to adjust for your syringe size but i stick to 1mcg/kg whether i'm 80 or 85kg. cjc's elevate GH level for extended periods but don't reach the intensity of the mod grf1-29 pulse which "only" lasts up to 3 hours.

[kmms]

^^ i think they are say we continue as we started. i am now out of 1293 and since i am out of town next week the timing is perfect. it will give me time to search for soem 1295 w/o dac and carry on.

Jimmy - i would do a bit more research on running your 1293 3x a day. from what m302 say you run the risk of gh bleed which i havent read much on it but doesnt sound like something we want.

I will have hours of hotel time next week so i will read up as much as i can.

that's a consequence of mg dosing once per week which elevates GH levels for anywhere from 5-8 days at a time.

[sgt2jay]

Got it thanks

[jimmyinkedup]

hey guys just checking in! i just finished my first vials of mod and ghrp-2 this am.. leaning out like a mofo! dont know of its the pep, diet or both but i like it! oter than that i have noticed zero sides on peps.. nothing.. after that first day..

Off to a good start it sounds like..nice.

[jimmyinkedup]

yes that's what i would do myself certainly. treat the 1293 or 1295 as if it were mod grf1-29 and use it 3 times per day at 1mcg/kg. 100mcg's is quite easy to adjust for your syringe size but i stick to 1mcg/kg whether i'm 80 or 85kg. cjc's elevate GH level for extended periods but don't reach the intensity of the mod grf1-29 pulse which "only" lasts up to 3 hours.

Thanks for your input.

[sgt2jay]

ok got my compunds straight
my mod grf1-29 came in and start back with the 3x a day protocol.
to add to that i am completely changing my diet - I just finished ready a book called "Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It" by Gary Taubes. It is very interesting but basically it talk about how the body does not need cards and well it was convincing enough to give it a try. I will be keeping the same calorie intake but only about 250 - 275 of those calories will be cards and those carbs will only be vegetable and green leafy salads.

i figure what the heck ill give it a go.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^ Thanks for the update Sarge. Keep us posted on the diet . Sounds like an even stricter version of the zone diet.
At any rate Im continuing on just as I have with the peps I have. Im going to keep my protocol the same and seeing how the next couple months go.

[kmms]

ok got my compunds straight
my mod grf1-29 came in and start back with the 3x a day protocol.
to add to that i am completely changing my diet - I just finished ready a book called "Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It" by Gary Taubes. It is very interesting but basically it talk about how the body does not need cards and well it was convincing enough to give it a try. I will be keeping the same calorie intake but only about 250 - 275 of those calories will be cards and those carbs will only be vegetable and green leafy salads.

i figure what the heck ill give it a go.

interested in hearing how that works out for you. i only use carbs to prepare for and recover from a weight training session, so two meals out of 6 have fruits or sweet potato. remember to wait 20 minutes post peptide to start eating carbs.

[sgt2jay]

will do. with the carbs i am eating it isnt to much an issue as they are all slow high fiber veggies, so there shouldnt be much of an insulin spike to cause any negative sides. that being said with my schedule there is always an hour pre or post injection gap with meals.

[jimmyinkedup]

For me that was the biggest inconvenience if you will. Fitting in appropriately around my meals. It wasnt a huge deal but I had to keep it in mind. Now its second nature (only took over 3 months for it to become that way lol)

[kmms]

will do. with the carbs i am eating it isnt to much an issue as they are all slow high fiber veggies, so there shouldnt be much of an insulin spike to cause any negative sides. that being said with my schedule there is always an hour pre or post injection gap with meals.

are you saying that you're not eating anything for an hour after you pin peptides? asking because everything i've read, medical and anecdotal suggests that you might not be getting everything out of them if you aren't eating some kind of pure protein after you pin. even if you can only get a pure protein shake in starting about 10 minutes post pin it's better than waiting one hour for those proteins, they should be circulating for the last half of the pulse at least.

[jimmyinkedup]

I have considered possibly using a BCAA drink in that time window. Thoughts ?

[sgt2jay]

are you saying that you're not eating anything for an hour after you pin peptides? asking because everything i've read, medical and anecdotal suggests that you might not be getting everything out of them if you aren't eating some kind of pure protein after you pin. even if you can only get a pure protein shake in starting about 10 minutes post pin it's better than waiting one hour for those proteins, they should be circulating for the last half of the pulse at least.

I will have to tweek a bit. only issue i see is i will have about a 12 hour between pins

Old schedule:
4:30 1st pin fasted cardio 5 - 6 brk at 630, 2nd pin 3pm about then dinner at 4pm 3rd pin 8- 8:30 before bed shortly after protien shake

new Schedule
1st pin 630 just after breakfast, 2nd pin 1pm just before meal #4, 3rd pin before bed. OR kepp with the 1st pin right away when i get up and 2nd at 1pm and 3rd before bed.

thoughts?

[kmms]

I have considered possibly using a BCAA drink in that time window. Thoughts ?

that's always an option, and if you already have some BCAA's sitting around and for whatever reason you can't start eating ten minutes after your pin, why not? the biggest issue with peptides is creating a specific internal environment to support the GH pulse. this is why we only pin on an empty stomach and then follow the pin with only proteins at 10 minutes out, if you're eating carbs they should be 20 minutes out and if you're eating a whole combined meal of proteins carbs and fats, wait 30 minutes. carbs and fats have been shown to dull or limit the intensity of the GH pulse.

as for BCAA's specifically, there's enough evidence out there to show that we only have the ability to transport X amount of aminos at a time. if you are taking a BCAA then it's like throwing 30 darts at a dartboard at once and hoping the right ones for our purposes, stick. people who do serious weight training need l-leucine and l-glutamine, if you are taking a BCAA then you have a whole host of other insignificant (for BB purposes) aminos that are competing with the leucine and glutamine to get to the cells. better than nothing though, sure.

[kmms]

I will have to tweek a bit. only issue i see is i will have about a 12 hour between pins

Old schedule:
4:30 1st pin fasted cardio 5 - 6 brk at 630, 2nd pin 3pm about then dinner at 4pm 3rd pin 8- 8:30 before bed shortly after protien shake

new Schedule
1st pin 630 just after breakfast, 2nd pin 1pm just before meal #4, 3rd pin before bed. OR kepp with the 1st pin right away when i get up and 2nd at 1pm and 3rd before bed.

thoughts?

it's my own personal opinion that if you are pinning after a meal that you are wasting your peptides. you should save them for the windows where you are on a completely empty stomach (optimal) or when it's been at least 2 hours from a meal (better). this is why it's always a toss up between pre bed pin and wake up pin for the best window of opportunity to pin for your day. we all know GH does its good work while we are in a deep sleep, so the night time dose appears to be the most physically advantageous but the wake up dose means our stomach is completely empty (perhaps not the case with pre bed) and cortisol is low. if you wake up and then wait to pin and even add in food before you pin, you are creating an environment where the peptides have little to no chance to do the work you want them to.

always pin peptides on an empty stomach should probably be rules number 1 and 2, just to reinforce the concept.

[sixfootseven]

Appreciate the log guys. I'm starting a mod grf129 ghrp2 combo in the next couple days.

[sgt2jay]

it's my own personal opinion that if you are pinning after a meal that you are wasting your peptides. you should save them for the windows where you are on a completely empty stomach (optimal) or when it's been at least 2 hours from a meal (better). this is why it's always a toss up between pre bed pin and wake up pin for the best window of opportunity to pin for your day. we all know GH does its good work while we are in a deep sleep, so the night time dose appears to be the most physically advantageous but the wake up dose means our stomach is completely empty (perhaps not the case with pre bed) and cortisol is low. if you wake up and then wait to pin and even add in food before you pin, you are creating an environment where the peptides have little to no chance to do the work you want them to.

always pin peptides on an empty stomach should probably be rules number 1 and 2, just to reinforce the concept.

wait a minute. Did I read post #231 incorrect. didnt you just suggest that i should pin near a meal for the protien. I think i am going to stick to my current protocol

1st in am prior to fasted cardio, 2nd mid afternoon between meal 4 & 5 or about 1.5 hrs after meal 4 and 1.5 hours prior to meal 5. and 3rd before bed

[jimmyinkedup]

Appreciate the log guys. I'm starting a mod grf129 ghrp2 combo in the next couple days.

You should start a log. Thanks for following here as well.

[kmms]

wait a minute. Did I read post #231 incorrect. didnt you just suggest that i should pin near a meal for the protien. I think i am going to stick to my current protocol

1st in am prior to fasted cardio, 2nd mid afternoon between meal 4 & 5 or about 1.5 hrs after meal 4 and 1.5 hours prior to meal 5. and 3rd before bed

if the peptides come in on an empty stomach before a meal, sure. if the peptides come in after the meal then the effect will be diminished and significantly so if the meal was carbs and fats. peptides need an empty stomach to work most effectively, that's why some consider the wake up dose to be their most effective, the stomach should be completely empty at that point and cortisol low. if the peptides taken on an empty stomach are followed up starting 10 minutes later with pure proteins, it's shown to assist in the GH release, carbs and fats will blunt the GH release.

[sixfootseven]

You should start a log. Thanks for following here as well.

Thinking about it. seems like tedious posting, you guys are doing a great job