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[KReyn]

I'd doing my research for my first cycle and have a couple questions. How would test prop compare to test cyp or test e? Also my buddy told me it would be good to incorporate tren into my first cycle. Any thoughts on this? I'm new to this game and have a lot of reserarch to do and any input/advice is appreciated.

[austinite]

I'd doing my research for my first cycle and have a couple questions. How would test prop compare to test cyp or test e? Also my buddy told me it would be good to incorporate tren into my first cycle. Any thoughts on this? I'm new to this game and have a lot of reserarch to do and any input/advice is appreciated.

Prop works much faster and has a much shorter life, hence the more frequent injections. Tren is not a good idea for a first cycle. It can be a very harsh compound and you need to see how your body reacts to test alone since it will be your base for all future cycles.

You can acomplish your goal if done properly with an 8 week cycle of prop, where Test E or C could take up to 12 weeks to accomplish the same goal, but you don't have to pin as much. I prefer the longer ester.

[songdog]

Good job Bro

[KReyn]

Prop works much faster and has a much shorter life, hence the more frequent injections. Tren is not a good idea for a first cycle. It can be a very harsh compound and you need to see how your body reacts to test alone since it will be your base for all future cycles.

You can acomplish your goal if done properly with an 8 week cycle of prop, where Test E or C could take up to 12 weeks to accomplish the same goal, but you don't have to pin as much. I prefer the longer ester.

Thanks for the input. Do you just prefer the longer ester because there is less pinning? Or are there other pro's?

[marcus300]

I would much prefer to see the var start from day one on the short cycle example rather than week 2 especially when your using prop, no need to lag the var when the prop will be in there doing its job from week one..

[austinite]

Thanks for the input. Do you just prefer the longer ester because there is less pinning? Or are there other pro's?

Less pinning and accommodates my schedule better. That and I've developed a great deal of patience over the years.

[KReyn]

Less pinning and accommodates my schedule better. That and I've developed a great deal of patience over the years.

Cool, thanks again sir.

[Gaspari1255]

"**All AAS cycles should include an AI, hCG , and PCT – no exceptions!**"



I obviously agree on PCT, but why are HCG and an AI 100% necessary? I think it's a good idea to have an AI on hand, but I don't see how you NEED it and don't understand why you would need HCG for such basic, non- 19nor cycles?

[austinite]

All you need to know is what happens to Testosterone once administered, then you will understand why you need an AI and HCG .

[sgt2jay]

i notice on option 2 you start hcg right away and pct the 1st week after last injection

I have read hcg starting week 2 and pct 2 weeks after last injection. have i read wrong or am i reading some out dated protocol. either way im and stocked to run either way and open to changing.

[Lunk1]

I keep refering to my previos cycles that I NEVER used an AI.. had it on hand but had gotten bad advice to only use it if gyn showed. I am not gyno prone (thank god) but on my last cycle I experienced high BP to the point of being hypertensive. I was also having a difficult time gaining and maintaining and erection. God only knows what other underlying issues I may have been experiencing.

Now...adding and AI to my cycle and NONE of thos problems exist. Ppl get too wrapped up in gyno and dismiss some of the other dangerous symptoms of high E2

[KReyn]

Is a long ester cycle better for a bulk, cut, or either or?

[Lunk1]

Is a long ester cycle better for a bulk, cut, or either or?

Long ester vs short is a matter of preference based on a number of factors such as pinning schedule, time on or off cycle. (for example, I like to run 2 long ester cycles a year, but I could run 3 short estered instead). The end of the day it all the same stuff!

[Brohim]

"**All AAS cycles should include an AI, hCG , and PCT – no exceptions!**"



I obviously agree on PCT, but why are HCG and an AI 100% necessary? I think it's a good idea to have an AI on hand, but I don't see how you NEED it and don't understand why you would need HCG for such basic, non- 19nor cycles?

High E2 can cause bloating and BP issues which are very serious. Not to mention Estrogen is 200x more supressive than Test. This isn't an HRT dose of Test it's a cycle.

[juggyk]

great thread.. well explained

[bigZthedestroyer]

Nice Mick!

[MickeyKnox]

Good job Bro

great thread.. well explained

Nice Mick!

Thanks guys!

i notice on option 2 you start hcg right away and pct the 1st week after last injection

I have read hcg starting week 2 and pct 2 weeks after last injection. have i read wrong or am i reading some out dated protocol. either way im and stocked to run either way and open to changing.

Beginning hCG at the first wk of a cycle is a widely accepted and proven protocol by the majority of those AAS users, and medical professionals, that include or recommend hCG on cycle. However, you can start it in the second, or even third, wk depending on the ester without any complications.

Also, hCG is best included on cycle up to 3-4 days before PCT. This is also widely accepted and proven to be the most effective way at administering hCG prior to commencing PCT. However, up to the first day of PCT will not complicate your PCT enough to create any significant complications or delays.

My suggestions are based on universal best practices that will achieve the most desired results.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

[sgt2jay]

clears it up hcg starts asap. i also see you have pct starting on week after last injection my last cycle which was my first i waited 2 weeks.
i am assuming you recommend sart after one week which i will follow

[MickeyKnox]

clears it up hcg starts asap. i also see you have pct starting on week after last injection my last cycle which was my first i waited 2 weeks.
i am assuming you recommend sart after one week which i will follow

PCT begins two wks after last testosterone enanthate injection, but 3-4 days after last hCG injection.

[sgt2jay]

thanks
i mis read

[incipio]

interesting, I started off with 400mg of test e a week with a kickstart of winny. so far it is going good.

[GoldenSultanPrince]

I have question, ok does it matter when we do it? I mean like say I go to the Gym 3 days in a Week and do full body workout, so I would just inject in those 3 days of the week for 11 or 12 weeks that I work out? I mean it would be pointless to do it other times when I am in University and not working out?

[warmouth]

Nice Sticky Mickey!

[KReyn]

Edit: sorry for the faux pas, I appreciate all the help.

[incipio]

Just curious what would you say the average price (USD) range is for a long ester cycle?

depends on the brand kalpa test e is around 45, then balkin test e is 35, and that is per a vial 10ml. I guess it all depends on the quality of gear your getting.

[banehallow]

Nice post, very informative

[>Good Luck<]

Edit your posts, there is no talk of price round here!!

[MickeyKnox]

I have question, ok does it matter when we do it? I mean like say I go to the Gym 3 days in a Week and do full body workout, so I would just inject in those 3 days of the week for 11 or 12 weeks that I work out? I mean it would be pointless to do it other times when I am in University and not working out?

Nice Sticky Mickey!

lol@"Sticky Mickey."

Just curious xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for a long ester cycle?

As GoodLuck has said, please edit your post to exclude you question about price. Discussing price about AAS is against the rules. Thank you.

depends on the brand kalpa test e is around xx, then balkin test e is xx, and that is per a vial 10ml. I guess it all depends on the quality of gear your getting.

Same goes for you bro. Please edit your post to exclude price discussion. Thanks a lot.

I've read here that long and short esters and practically the same and only depends on your schedule and preference but can someone inform us (the newbie) from a financial point of view? Will aiming for short ester cycle be more cost efficient since you only get that amount of steriods vs long esters?

I'm really interested in starting my doses but have a strict budget to how much goes where and appreciate anyone with knowledge of this.

Thank you!

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but once again, we don't discuss price or financial points of view on here regarding AAS. Sorry bro. Please edit your post. Thanks.

Long and short esters are not practically the same.

[austinite]

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[MickeyKnox]

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[banehallow]

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but once again, we don't discuss price or financial points of view on here regarding AAS. Sorry bro. Please edit your post. Thanks.

Long and short esters are not practically the same.

done, edited.

[Shsm]

Very cool.

[Lunk1]

Now edit your quote Mickey Mouse lol. It still contains prices lol

[MickeyKnox]

done, edited.

Thanks brother

Now edit your quote Mickey Mouse lol. It still contains prices lol

Darn it, i thought i did that for both of them..thanks Lunk!

[Trying-Hard]

How do you guys split the PCT doses?

I start PCT tomorrow of Clomid (100/50/50/50) and Nolva (40/40/20/20).

As far as week 1 goes.....

Should I take 100 clomid and 40 nolva all at once in the morning? Or do I split it into 50 clomid / 20 nolva in morning and 50 clomid / 20 nolva at night? Or does it not matter?

Thanks bros!

[banehallow]

Long ester vs short is a matter of preference based on a number of factors such as pinning schedule, time on or off cycle. (for example, I like to run 2 long ester cycles a year, but I could run 3 short estered instead). The end of the day it all the same stuff!

what is the difference between the two esters?

-never mind got it here-

forums.steroid DOT com/showthread.php?311296-what-is-better-Long-ester-or-Short-Ester#.UJnkcrF5mc0

[MickeyKnox]

How do you guys split the PCT doses?

I start PCT tomorrow of Clomid (100/50/50/50) and Nolva (40/40/20/20).

As far as week 1 goes.....

Should I take 100 clomid and 40 nolva all at once in the morning? Or do I split it into 50 clomid / 20 nolva in morning and 50 clomid / 20 nolva at night? Or does it not matter?

Thanks bros!

I split them up, but some folks take them both at night.

[KReyn]

So in doing my research before my first cycle I decided to get some input from the head trainer at the gym. He competes in strongman comps and has been doing cycles since he was 18. He insists I only need to take test for my first cycle. He says an AI, HCG , and PCT are not necessary if I take the test cycle properly. Now I may be new to this game but from everything I read it seems like a good protocol to take an AI, HCG, and PCT (almost like an insurance policy). How valid is the advice I got?

[Hydroponics]

Wtf? How old ru? Maybe he thinks u can recover naturally or he wants u to learn a lesson...