Most Common Beginners Cycles - Look here..

**KReyn** · 12-06-2012, 11:44 AM

I believe the the first long ester cycle suggests test C with Armidex. Should Armidex only be used when using Prop? Is Aromasin a better AI for for both test C and E?

Didn't think HGH for a first cycle sounded right haha. Thanks MickeyKnox.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-06-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by KReyn

I believe the the first long ester cycle suggests test C with Armidex. Should Armidex only be used when using Prop? Is Aromasin a better AI for for both test C and E?

Didn't think HGH for a first cycle sounded right haha. Thanks MickeyKnox.

That cycle included Adex to illustrate you can use either AI, as the following long estered cycle includes Aromasin.

BUT, if i were able to chose either AI with a long estered testosterone , i would simply choose Aromasin as i have explained earlier. Some guys/gals have their AI's already on hand so i simply wanted to point out using Adex on a long estered cycle is fine, but Aromasin is a better choice IMHO.

**KReyn** · 12-06-2012, 12:42 PM

Cool, I appreciate the input sir.

**bigsiv** · 12-07-2012, 02:56 AM

Bump in the morning.......

**KReyn** · 12-07-2012, 10:58 AM

If I were to go on a Long Ester cycle what kind of side effects can I expect? I've always been a little freaked out about the idea of my scrotum shrinking and not being able to sexually perform (not sure if these side effects are rumors from taking test). Also a few years back I used to be a pretty heavy smoker. I've quit for the past year but still enjoy a cigarette here and there, is this ok to have a cig once and a while on a cycle?

**MickeyKnox** · 12-07-2012, 11:10 AM

Dump the cigs. Period.

Side affects can be controlled for the most part with having low BF and including an AI on cycle. (some include acne, bloating, mood, ED..ect)

hCG will prevent testicular atrophy if used on cycle as well.

**KReyn** · 12-07-2012, 11:17 AM

If I had to guess my bf% is about 11-12. Is that too high to start a cycle? Do you say dump the cigs because it may be to stressful on my body while on a cycle or just because it's a gross habit?

**MickeyKnox** · 12-07-2012, 11:25 AM

Dump the cigs because they will kill you. That's a good enough reason right there, dont you think??

Whats you height and weight?

**Mostly-fat** · 12-07-2012, 11:29 AM

2 weeks of cig sobriety tomorrow.. After smoking for almost 15 years I can tell you it's a life changer.. Good luck it's the hardest drug I've ever quit and I've been hooked on some badass ones..

**KReyn** · 12-07-2012, 11:42 AM

Haha yeah I suppose so. I'm about 5'10 and I've been right fluctuating between 175-180.

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**MickeyKnox** · 12-07-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by KReyn

Haha yeah I suppose so. I'm about 5'10 and I've been right fluctuating between 175-180.

You look good bro! What cycle did you choose?

**KReyn** · 12-07-2012, 11:59 AM

Thanks man! Hopefully I can get my arms to be half of your size haha. I Think I'm going to go with one of the first two Long Ester options, still want to do a little more research and ask a few more questions before I decide to start my first cycle.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-07-2012, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by KReyn

Thanks man! Hopefully I can get my arms to be half of your size haha. I Think I'm going to go with one of the first two Long Ester options, still want to do a little more research and ask a few more questions before I decide to start my first cycle.

Roger that! Good luck and hit up the Q&A for more advice and ideas.

Anabolic Q&A Forum.

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UIDcDq7X_fs

**kelkel** · 12-07-2012, 06:58 PM

You do look good Kreyn! Take Mickeys advice and run with it!

Welcome to the forum as well!

kel

**MickeyKnox** · 12-08-2012, 09:59 AM

UP where we belong..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaLizIVcY3o

**KReyn** · 12-08-2012, 10:14 AM

Thanks Kel! I can't wait to take before and after pics and see the difference.

**cgozz** · 12-08-2012, 01:24 PM

I have been reading on how to mix hcg 10,000iu. Reading different things a little confused. Getting ready to start long ester cycle with oral. Pretty new to this. Could use a little clarification on hcg.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-08-2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by cgozz

I have been reading on how to mix hcg 10,000iu. Reading different things a little confused. Getting ready to start long ester cycle with oral. Pretty new to this. Could use a little clarification on hcg.

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**MickeyKnox** · 12-08-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by cgozz

I have been reading on how to mix hcg 10,000iu. Reading different things a little confused. Getting ready to start long ester cycle with oral. Pretty new to this. Could use a little clarification on hcg.

Reconstitute with 4ml Bac Water and that will give you 250iu at .10 on the slin pin.

**cgozz** · 12-08-2012, 06:14 PM

Thanks for the info. Thread has been real helpful!

**MickeyKnox** · 12-08-2012, 06:16 PM

Youre welcome.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-09-2012, 02:07 PM

"Is there anybody....out there!" Pink Floyd.

**cliffjumper** · 12-09-2012, 05:36 PM

Read through this today - great information. Thank you MickeyKnox! Beginner here, so working on gettin the basics down. Now have a full list of stuff to read up on next thanks to this thread (that's a good thing!)

**MickeyKnox** · 12-09-2012, 06:11 PM

10-4 buddy!

**cgozz** · 12-09-2012, 06:56 PM

I have done some more reading on long ester cycle. Have a couple of questions. can 300mg of deca be added weekly for extra bulking help. and the d-bol should it be taken for first four weeks, i read it could be thrown in mid cycle. Also could HCG be ran weeks 3-10.If running Test Enth for weeks 1-10 . I am new to this, I have put together cycle of some studying i have done. would post cycle but don't know if i can post in this forum would like an opinion.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by cgozz

I have done some more reading on long ester cycle. Have a couple of questions. can 300mg of deca be added weekly for extra bulking help. and the d-bol should it be taken for first four weeks, i read it could be thrown in mid cycle. Also could HCG be ran weeks 3-10.If running Test Enth for weeks 1-10 . I am new to this, I have put together cycle of some studying i have done. would post cycle but don't know if i can post in this forum would like an opinion.

Yes you can add Deca for bulking. But i would not recommend it in your first cycle. Test ONLY first cycle to determine and eventuate how testosterone will react in your body first.

Dbol can be used anywhere in your cycle, but it's traditionally used up front to kick start a long estered cycle.

Yes you can run hCG from wks 3-10.

Post up your proposed cycle for us to take a peek at.

**cgozz** · 12-09-2012, 07:41 PM

W 1-10 Test Enth E3d 250mg
W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/D
W 1-8 Deca 300mg Wwwkly
WK 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 EOD
W 3-10 HCG 250iu 2x/W
PCT starts week 13
WK 13 clomid 50mg 2x/D
WK 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d

6'0 tall
38 years old
212lb
Been training natural for years I feel i have hit peak. I have good numbers but it is getting hard to grow and make gains. Good Diet all things pretty much dialed in. No health problems, just had blood panels done.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-09-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by cgozz

W 1-10 Test Enth E3d 250mg Twice /wk E3.5D. But i would recommend you extend this out to 12 wks.
W 1-4 Dbol 10mg 3x/D Personally, i would do it all 30mg a few hours before you hit the gym and smash it hard. Not necessary to dose rest days IMHO.
W 1-8 Deca 300mg Wwwkly Perfect. But, if you extend Test to 12wks make sure you extend Deca to 10wks
WK 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 EOD Perfect.
W 3-10 HCG 250iu 2x/W Run up to wk 11.5
PCT starts week 13 Start Wk 12, not 13.
WK 12 clomid 50mg 2x/D for wk 1. Then 50mg per day for wks 2-4
WK 14-16 Nolva 20mg/d 40mg/day for wk1. Then 20mg/day for wk 2-4

6'0 tall
38 years old
212lb
Been training natural for years I feel i have hit peak. I have good numbers but it is getting hard to grow and make gains. Good Diet all things pretty much dialed in. No health problems, just had blood panels done.

Remember to change up your wks if you extend to 12 wks.

**cgozz** · 12-09-2012, 08:05 PM

I will extend weeks looks and sounds good. If I have any more Questions will Ask. Thank for all the Help.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-09-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by cgozz

I will extend weeks looks and sounds good. If I have any more Questions will Ask. Thank for all the Help.

Youre welcome.

Remember to adjust everything accordingly.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-10-2012, 06:19 PM

Up for fresh fish..

**mootyroonks** · 12-11-2012, 02:29 PM

Just a couple clarifications. HCG is mostly to protect against TA, is there anything else that it does? I understand that it keeps production of LH active. anything else? Is it accurate to wait for HCG until you begin to see TA?

Also, using AI on cycle is obviously a good idea, but i read that HCG can reduce the effects of Arimidex . Is it safer to use another AI during cycle? or should you just be able to up the dose and continue. im scurred of gyno

**MickeyKnox** · 12-11-2012, 02:36 PM

hCG - youre correct on the behavior of hCG, but you should begin administering it from the beginning of your cycle - not after you experience TA.

AI - I didn't know that hCG effects Adex. I do know that Nolva can effect the performance of Adex. Perhaps youre getting this mixed up? Gyno does not happen over night. You will see and feel signs before you develop gyno.

**bchabs6** · 12-11-2012, 04:14 PM

Just a couple questions, based more off experience of friends etc.

Almost everyone I know has never taken hCG while on cycle, is the real benefit from hCG just the TA and to ease into pct?

Also for pct, I've seen people on the forums, and IRL say that just taking Nolva is fine for pct. Clomid is used to jump the natural test levels back up, correct?

And lastly, I see a lot of cycles that have AI incorporated, but also a lot that say just having it on hand is fine. Is it fine to go without as long as you have it on hand and ready to go?

**MickeyKnox** · 12-11-2012, 04:18 PM

The links at the bottom of the first page address every one of your questions bro.

**mootyroonks** · 12-11-2012, 05:43 PM

sorry mickey, youre right, it is nolva. So then if Im mid cycle and getting gyno even though i am taking 0.5 eod arimidex with the hcg , then should I drop the arimidex and switch AI's or up the dose? my concern then at that point is ODing on Adex.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-11-2012, 05:54 PM

No, don't switch up AI's.

If youre starting your AI (Adex) at .5mg EOD because you THINK you may develop gyno, don't. Begin your AI protocol as suggested in the thread at .25mg. Then if you begin to see early symptoms of gyno, you can titrate your AI up to .5 EOD and then ED depending on your symptoms. You can also add 10mg Nolva ED for a period of time to combat and block the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue.

If I were as nervous about gyno as you are, i would purchase some Raloxifene for AR-R .com to have on hand as this SERM has 10x the binding affinity of Nolva.

**mootyroonks** · 12-11-2012, 06:27 PM

That would definitely be the plan. 0.25eod to start. Im more or less ensuring i have everything on hand and a plan of action in case i have issues. so the ralo on hand for gyno symptoms then?

**MickeyKnox** · 12-11-2012, 06:32 PM

Dont get me wrong, Nolva will do the trick and has been at the forefront of Gyno issues for many years. But Raloxifene has proven to be a better choice for Gyno related issues.

This is NOT based upon personal experience. I have never, and will never, have Gyno because i control my E2 at all times.

**mootyroonks** · 12-11-2012, 06:55 PM

Seems like you monitor your blood quite frequently, obviously a good idea to help keep things under control. I plan on doing that, prob a better way to handle it than stocking up on stuff you wont need. it is good to know what else is out there though.