HCG and Tren only cycle <Must read!>

[The Titan99]

smd? You need to watch what you say. Warmouth said nothing warranting this reply from you. He said what he said with good intentions. Relax and watch the foul language.

The Society of Manatobian Disabled? That's all I got from google...lol!

[Cheifjuana]

Now this I can get behind. I am in full agreement with this statement. If a person is running a test cycle, with test as the primary anabolic, then an AI is for sure a must. If the test is used as a secondary and only for normal function, then the aromatase activity should, in theory, be minimal (unless a highly aromatizing compound is used). I think an AI should still be on hand just in case. Also, new members and guests, this talk and pshyco-babble is for extremely experienced users only. In no way should the subject be followed through by anyone for any reason. Everyone can choose what they want to do to themselves, but this subject is totally against 100 years of AAS evolution. No one will assist you on how to run this protocol. So until further research can be done regarding the topic (by certified professionals, specialists, and so forth), this is only for entertainment purposes and for Sworders "self-evaluation" < lol.

I'm trying to study AAS andAAS evolution, but no one really tells you anything because.. well idk why?? I know you guys have the best intentions but ehh if someone messes up themselves it's their problem. I'm legitimately trying to study AAS to be "caught up" and I get hated on. ..the nerve of some people

[lovbyts]

3....2....1. LovByts, how long you predict here?

Hahaha. Yes you read my mind. Under the circumstances it could go a while but I would be surprised if it's more than a couple of weeks be it his decision or via admin. Same with sworder

[marcus300]

Hahaha.^^^ sworder gives some horrendous advice its so funny reading it but I've had to take steps at not reading it anymore.....lol

[MickeyKnox]

Sir Isaac Newton Knox!

lol

I'm trying to study AAS andAAS evolution, but no one really tells you anything because.. well idk why?? I know you guys have the best intentions but ehh if someone messes up themselves it's their problem. I'm legitimately trying to study AAS to be "caught up" and I get hated on. ..the nerve of some people

Nobody is hating on you. But, occasionally, you appear to argue with more knowledgeable members who have your best interest at hand. And yet youre still trying to wrap your head around AAS. So, it can be frustrating at times. Dont take it personally - everyone wants to help you, i assure you that.

[wesh]

Sworder is 100% right in his arguement.

[human project]

My cycle results will be based on my diet and training as you know! A couple months in I feel great not having to constantly fight gyno and bloat. Libido is great from the tren and my mood is great, like always

Energy levels are great. Tren stimulates the CNS as you know, which is why it keeps you awake and also why it gives you so much energy even though you only slept 6 hours. Hunger I am trying to keep under control. Cutting.

This really interests me... If I could get away with obly using tren and hcg my cycles would be sooooo cheap!!!

[human project]

[QUOTE="Sworder"]Bodybuilders used to pyramid their steroid cycles? WHY? Who was the guy that explained how a half-life works and how stupid it is to pyramid? Do you think that he was seen as "cancer" because of his arguments? I believe he was. I believe he was intelligent and changed the bodybuilding world for the better.

Awesome...

[jimmyinkedup]

Could you do it - yes. Is it the best way to go - imo no. Id personally run a low trt dose of test alongside tren . In fact I do.

[wesh]

I run test with it also. Im running test and tren right now. Im just saying he is right in what he is saying.

[Lunk1]

Sworder is 100% right in his arguement.

How do you know this? Have you run Tren /HCG ONLY??

[wesh]

No i havent. Just did alot of research since i read his posts

[Lunk1]

No i havent. Just did alot of research since i read his posts

I'm not sure what research you found but since this is still a theory Sworder is testing, I would be shocked if there is alot of data to back up the notion that HCG works sufficiently enough along side of tren that test can be dropped or that an AI is not needed!

[lovbyts]

I run test with it also. Im running test and tren right now. Im just saying he is right in what he is saying.

His theory is sound up to the point when you introduce tren or any other aas into your system. Then it's a whole different ballgame because you body is not LOW on test it has shut down and the hcg won't change that scenario.

[kelkel]

Remember one thing. Some of the cutting edge docs of our time credit the bodybuilding community with many of the advancements made in the science of AAS. Many of us are, in essence, their lab rats! Some standard practices will remain the same for good reason and some will change over time due to experimentation and application by cutting edge athletes of our time. Science evolves right?

Caveat: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of the above opinions. Just adding an observation.

kel

[Lunk1]

His theory is sound up to the point when you introduce tren or any other aas into your system. Then it's a whole different ballgame because you body is not LOW on test it has shut down and the hcg won't change that scenario.

I agree and I feel the theory loses validity when you consider that HCG isn't the common protocal for TRT.

[jimmyinkedup]

HCG could provide adequate test to run alongside a 19 nor or any other steroid . However it just isnt a prudent choice imo for seberal reasons. First of all dose establishment would be near impossible without a lot of bloodwork. Also I think that there is something to be said for somewhat stable hormone levels. while our natural hormones fluctuate greatly - there isnt the introduction of other hormones like 19 nors (as is the case with tren ) in a "normal"scenario. I think a low maintenace dose of test would be more prudent for sure. Also even though relatively low doses adminsitered frequently of hcg would accomplish this there is the issue of desensitization that is associated with hcg use. Making it prob not a very prudent choice at all for someone that doesnt want to potentially end up on trt (although there are no guarnatees of tht in this game anyway). Then there is the simple matter of injection frequency .
I didnt really red the whole thread when I first responded and still havent but I pretty much stnd behind my first post . could you do it - yes. Is it prudent - well probably not.

[MickeyKnox]

Remember one thing. Some of the cutting edge docs of our time credit the bodybuilding community with many of the advancements made in the science of AAS. Many of us are, in essence, their lab rats! Some standard practices will remain the same for good reason and some will change over time due to experimentation and application by cutting edge athletes of our time. Science evolves right?

Caveat: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of the above opinions. Just adding an observation.

kel

Interesting that you pointed that out Kel. Its so true. I read that all the time, and then smile and have a chuckle.

I'm not sure what research you found but since this is still a theory Sworder is testing, I would be shocked if there is alot of data to back up the notion that HCG works sufficiently enough along side of tren that test can be dropped or that an AI is not needed!

I agree with this 100%. Whether i am wright or wrong, my opinion is similar to Lunk's for the same reasons.

But i wish Sworder well, and hope that his experiment ends well too.

[marcus300]

HCG could provide adequate test to run alongside a 19 nor or any other steroid . However it just isnt a prudent choice imo for seberal reasons. First of all dose establishment would be near impossible without a lot of bloodwork. Also I think that there is something to be said for somewhat stable hormone levels. while our natural hormones fluctuate greatly - there isnt the introduction of other hormones like 19 nors (as is the case with tren ) in a "normal"scenario. I think a low maintenace dose of test would be more prudent for sure. Also even though relatively low doses adminsitered frequently of hcg would accomplish this there is the issue of desensitization that is associated with hcg use. Making it prob not a very prudent choice at all for someone that doesnt want to potentially end up on trt (although there are no guarnatees of tht in this game anyway). Then there is the simple matter of injection frequency .
I didnt really red the whole thread when I first responded and still havent but I pretty much stnd behind my first post . could you do it - yes. Is it prudent - well probably not.

AGREED

The synergy effect between test and tren is second to none and no matter how much hcg your going to use won't bring your test levels back to a stable level what a low dose or medium dose of test e can do. Imho your restricting gains and its like swimming with your clothes on . Also I'm not interested in studies what are done on females or rats, I'm more interested in what works for bodybuilders

[songdog]

Well I aint one of those lab rats but I agree with Jimmy and Marcus.Beacuse if for some unknown reason the HCG didnt do its job.Well we know wat a tren only cycle can do.I also like my low dose test with my Tren.

[human project]

Remember one thing. Some of the cutting edge docs of our time credit the bodybuilding community with many of the advancements made in the science of AAS. Many of us are, in essence, their lab rats! Some standard practices will remain the same for good reason and some will change over time due to experimentation and application by cutting edge athletes of our time. Science evolves right?

Caveat: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any of the above opinions. Just adding an observation.

kel

My name is literally human project..... Send me a cycle of whatever and ill happily post any results or lack there of..

[TennTarheel]

I also agree with Marcus and the others. Tren doesn't cause issues with ED?? Are you kidding? For some maybe not, but they are the minority. There is a reason everyone should run some sort of Test with Tren. For me to read someone argue against that, it's hard for me to take the rest of the argument seriously. I'm only speaking of this particular instance.

[>Good Luck<]

Now this I can get behind. I am in full agreement with this statement. If a person is running a test cycle, with test as the primary anabolic, then an AI is for sure a must. If the test is used as a secondary and only for normal function, then the aromatase activity should, in theory, be minimal (unless a highly aromatizing compound is used). I think an AI should still be on hand just in case. Also, new members and guests, this talk and pshyco-babble is for extremely experienced users only. In no way should the subject be followed through by anyone for any reason. Everyone can choose what they want to do to themselves, but this subject is totally against 100 years of AAS evolution. No one will assist you on how to run this protocol. So until further research can be done regarding the topic (by certified professionals, specialists, and so forth), this is only for entertainment purposes and for Sworders "self-evaluation" < lol.

nice disclaimer bro... i was reading this and wondering how many noobs will halfassed read thru this and say "ahhhh i'll say the few bucks and not buy the AI" or "so i can run tren only!"

good read, now i know what not to do!

[TennTarheel]

nice disclaimer bro... i was reading this and wondering how many noobs will halfassed read thru this and say "ahhhh i'll say the few bucks and not buy the AI" or "so i can run tren only!"

good read, now i know what not to do!

Exactly!! Ridiculous. This must be some different kind of Tren than the rest of us know. There are outright false statements all in this thread

[Sworder]

His theory is sound up to the point when you introduce tren or any other aas into your system. Then it's a whole different ballgame because you body is not LOW on test it has shut down and the hcg won't change that scenario.

HCG works in the same way regardless of what androgens are present.

I agree and I feel the theory loses validity when you consider that HCG isn't the common protocal for TRT.

It's not common protocol because when patients are primary their testicles won't respond to hCG. For patients whom are secondary it can be used. But we are not TRT patients our balls work better

HCG could provide adequate test to run alongside a 19 nor or any other steroid . However it just isnt a prudent choice imo for seberal reasons. First of all dose establishment would be near impossible without a lot of bloodwork. Also I think that there is something to be said for somewhat stable hormone levels. while our natural hormones fluctuate greatly - there isnt the introduction of other hormones like 19 nors (as is the case with tren ) in a "normal"scenario. I think a low maintenace dose of test would be more prudent for sure. Also even though relatively low doses adminsitered frequently of hcg would accomplish this there is the issue of desensitization that is associated with hcg use. Making it prob not a very prudent choice at all for someone that doesnt want to potentially end up on trt (although there are no guarnatees of tht in this game anyway). Then there is the simple matter of injection frequency .
I didnt really red the whole thread when I first responded and still havent but I pretty much stnd behind my first post . could you do it - yes. Is it prudent - well probably not.

Good post.

Well I aint one of those lab rats but I agree with Jimmy and Marcus.Beacuse if for some unknown reason the HCG didnt do its job.Well we know wat a tren only cycle can do.I also like my low dose test with my Tren.

Do we? Tell me about your personal experience or please direct me to somebody who has had awful experiences with trenbolone only. I know a lot of guys that run it without complaints.

I also agree with Marcus and the others. Tren doesn't cause issues with ED?? Are you kidding? For some maybe not, but they are the minority. There is a reason everyone should run some sort of Test with Tren. For me to read someone argue against that, it's hard for me to take the rest of the argument seriously. I'm only speaking of this particular instance.

Testosterone and trenbolone work on the same libido specific tissue. Trenbolone usually increases libido I don't know what experience you have with it but ask some of the vets(who know how to control their e2) how trenbolone affects their libido.

[Lunk1]

I will say this...while I am not YET convinced Sworders theory is the BEST practice while running a 19 nor (especially tren ) I will say I appreciate his outside the box thinking and his passion to find new and better AAS protocals.

I will also say that he is right on a number of points about tren that I can lend my experience too. Mainly the labido issue! Tren will put your labido through the roof, it's the uncontrolled E2 levels that are responsible for the ED issues while on tren.

I would be interested in seeing regular BW while using this method. I also would not suggest this to any novice AAS users as I believe it would mor more difficult to gauge HCG doses needed to keep Test levels at normal range vs low Test being added and KNOWING test levels are higher then normal.

[TennTarheel]

I was speaking about Tren with no other ancillaries. Yes, Arimidex would remedy a lot of the sides.

[Lunk1]

I was speaking about Tren with no other ancillaries. Yes, Arimidex would remedy a lot of the sides.

The whole idea of the post isn't about a tren only cycle it's about running tren with high dose HCG to keep Test at a natty level, therby not having a need for an AI!

[basepro]

has there been any resolution or new studies on this topic?

[Cheifjuana]

Sworder :/

[austinite]

Stop bumping old threads guys. Seriously gets old......