Planning out cutting cycle Test/trenA/XXXX

[OnTheSauce]

Looking joocy brah

[bigsiv]

Lunk just trying to be over cautious with everybody. Safety is no. 1 same with all the vets. Don't take it to heart just keep learning. (Just font piss him off )

[BlueWaffle21]

Can I ask why you're not going to do Tren E if you're goign to do it for the 12 weeks? Just curious for my own sh*ts and giggles!!

[OnTheSauce]

Personally I hate waiting for shit to kick in. When I use Tren e, I do ace the first 4 weeks too

[H93]

Bluewaffle: Because i ordered tren ace back when i started my bulk cycle thinking i should throw that in before i decided to wait. So i have tren Ace just sitting here.

[Lunk1]

I gave you a short ester cycle that was friggin awesome but you nitched that it wasnt long enough..then I told you how to run the tren ace with long etsered test but you complained about wanting to run test prop (another short ester) Then you made it clear you have no idea what the hell an ester even is and how to utilize long or short esters for cycles...I'm not doubting your age...I'm doubting your maturity. Now you want to run Tren and have no real knowledge of steroids (not even the basics). If I was going to stick that kinda shyt in me I would want to know the ins and outs of it...do you???

The shyt is rough on some ppl and the sides can be so strong (for some) that they can't continue it or use it! Shrt esters are normally run 8 weeks average and long etsers normaly run 12 weeks. Is this a rule...NO! it's a standard.

I'm just asking you to act 24 NOT 18 and study this shyt till your head hurts...it's NO Fukin GAME! You can listen to any and all the ppl who post here telling you do this and do that but not a single one other than me has suggested you educate yourself so that you are a safe as possible. If all you want is someone to tell you what to inject in your body...you will get it. Is that the best thing to do with something strong enough to effectr your health for the rest of your life?

[OnTheSauce]

I like boobs

[CamCommand]

^^lol

[calstate23]

Well guys Im soon to be finishing up my Bulking cycle with a great success so far. Anyways I`ve been reading alot about cycles dosages etc. Please inform me with any questionable things i have in my cycle plan:

Test400 at 400mg a week 1-14

Tren Ace at 50mg eod 2-14

Mastron or Winstrol or Clen at xxx 8-12??

Thinking on trying a different test since i have to pin EOD due to the tren and never tried anything else....Any suggestions?
Tren from what i read i should start at a low to normal dosage to see how my body reacts making sure it takes it fine so 50 eod is what i found to be a good starting point, maybe slighlty higher to 75mg.

As far as the finally cutter/ hardener i cant decide which one. Mast i keep hearing positives but i guess it hard to find. Also and recommendations for dosages, when to start when to end etc. I have a while to put this in writing since im still in my bulking stage, I just like to be ready. Also I already have the tren ace.

Ps 5'11 at 243lbs and still gaining for about a month or so. 13-14% BF, 24 next month. Also what AI would i use for this. I read tren doesnt convert into estro so i dont need a arimidex or anything, but rather a gyno blocker...Anything from Ar-r i can get? Thanks


Edit: Sorry for so many questions but also would dbol be ok for the first 4 weeks? Since this is a cutting cycle wasnt sure if that would be a good idea and since tren a is fast acting......Just wanted that quick start....

Add some hgh to the mix..You'll shred up crazy

[H93]

http://www.steroid.com/Intermediate-...-Cycles-II.php

This is what Ive been trying to base my cycles off of....Is all this information legit on these pages or is it BS? Cause all the stuff on the home page is where Ive read alot..... Im basically trying to do what the site suggests but instead of winny do mast unless winny is a must.

Test p at 100mg eod - tren ace at 75mg eod(i`d like 100) - mast instead of winny at 100mg eod - Arimidex .5mg eod
(from what members have said) (still havent 100% decided on which)

Pct: hcg 500iu ed 10 days and nolvex 2-5 week 40/40/20/20....

Can i trust what written by the creator of this site?????

[CamCommand]

Good question because I'm basing my cycles from the same thing. "novice steroid cycles II"

[OnTheSauce]

I prefer hcg during cycles, not in pct. 250iu 2x a week. For pct, Nolva 40/40/20/20 is right, but id also use clomid. I also prefer to pin Tren ace everyday. Sides are lower and more stable blood levels. Its been my experience, with a test/Tren cycle, that lower test also lowers sides. Personally id say do this:
30mg test prop, 75mg Tren a, 75mg mast p EVERYDAY.
This would put you at 210mg test a week, 525 Tren, 525 mast. Most will tell you this is too high Tren for your first run, but it went well for me. Perhaps start at 50mg and do 75 next cycle.
I didn't catch if you already had the compounds, if so, use 200mg a week of test if you have test 400. .25cc twice a week.

[Lunk1]

http://www.steroid.com/Intermediate-...-Cycles-II.php

This is what Ive been trying to base my cycles off of....Is all this information legit on these pages or is it BS? Cause all the stuff on the home page is where Ive read alot..... Im basically trying to do what the site suggests but instead of winny do mast unless winny is a must.

Test p at 100mg eod - tren ace at 75mg eod(i`d like 100) - mast instead of winny at 100mg eod - Arimidex .5mg eod
(from what members have said) (still havent 100% decided on which)

Pct: hcg 500iu ed 10 days and nolvex 2-5 week 40/40/20/20....

Can i trust what written by the creator of this site?????

Your allover the place with this cycle...now your proposing a short ester cycle similair to the one I put togehter for you but you turned it down because it was an 8 week cycle..aging you need to learn the diff between long and short esters...this cycle should be run for a standard 8 weeks...not 12. There have been some standards in use that have changed since this site was created, the profiles and some of the cycles are not always up to date and current with todats usage trends.

If you arte insistant upon a long cycle then switch to longer esters and if you are insistant upon using the tren a you have on hand then I believe I showed you how to incorporate that into a long test cycle but again the tren being a shorter ester, it should not be run for 12 weeks...

Am confused at how you have been given cycles that fit you desire and yet you still dont seem to grasp this simple concept! For example ...do you understand that Tren is noted as being 5X stronger than test?? That means that at 75mg eod it;s simialar to running nearly 1.3GRAMS of test...how is it that you feel thats not enough??? Because 100 mg EOD sounds better??? So you think you need 1.75 GRAMS of Test instead???

This is where my point that you dont seem to know anything about the compounds you plan to inject into your body and need to become more educted first come in!

IS ANY OF THIS HITTING HOME?????

[OnTheSauce]

Lunk. Inbound pm. Chillllll

[H93]

yes, im trying to get on good term with ya Lunk. So i went with basically something exaclty you suggested to see if you might just chill and not keep beaten me down with `your stupid etc` So i went with the only info thats set in stone`from the site` and from you.... Hell i figured you say like `well about time you come around to what i suggested` then keep flaming me. But honestly i don't mind, cause im a pretty calm person and want to soak up the info you vets or near vets have. Thanks

PS i did know that it is 5x stronger but i never really looked at it like that, over 1k or test vs 200 of tren . Sorry And I thought the minimum you should run was 50 ed or 100 eod so thats what i thought would be good instead of 600mg like someone suggested.

[OnTheSauce]

its 5x as anabolic and 5x as androgenic , but i wouldnt say that 500 tren is the same as 2500 test. hell, look how anabolic halotestin is. doesnt mean its 26x stronger than testosterone . as in youll get 26x the effects

[Lunk1]

its 5x as anabolic and 5x as androgenic, but i wouldnt say that 500 tren is the same as 2500 test. hell, look how anabolic halotestin is. doesnt mean its 26x stronger than testosterone. as in youll get 26x the effects

Thats because halo works different...it's a CNS stimulant. Not even a good comparison!

[Lunk1]

yes, im trying to get on good term with ya Lunk. So i went with basically something exaclty you suggested to see if you might just chill and not keep beaten me down with `your stupid etc` So i went with the only info thats set in stone`from the site` and from you.... Hell i figured you say like `well about time you come around to what i suggested` then keep flaming me. But honestly i don't mind, cause im a pretty calm person and want to soak up the info you vets or near vets have. Thanks

PS i did know that it is 5x stronger but i never really looked at it like that, over 1k or test vs 200 of tren. Sorry And I thought the minimum you should run was 50 ed or 100 eod so thats what i thought would be good instead of 600mg like someone suggested.

This proves my point...I'm not flaming or hating I'm trying to stress how little you know about a seriously strong compound and that your willing to just shoot whatever someone tells you without doing any serious looking into what the compounds do. I just think you need to do some real homework before diving into this. Hasn't it become obvious yet how little you realy know?

Thats fine...we all start somewhere, but educating before injecting is alot better than injecting and then wondering how to fix what you fuked up!

[OnTheSauce]

Thats because halo works different...it's a CNS stimulant. Not even a good comparison!

but u see my point. just because the anabolic or androgenic ratio is higher, doesnt always mean its that much stronger persay

[Lunk1]

but u see my point. just because the anabolic or androgenic ratio is higher, doesnt always mean its that much stronger persay

Yes..I agree that my current dose of tren does not seem anything like 5X Test!!!

[OnTheSauce]

my cutting cycle in the spring will be 700 tren , 600 mast, 210 test. getting a blend made so its only 1cc a day. gonna be nice.

[Lunk1]

my cutting cycle in the spring will be 700 tren, 600 mast, 210 test. getting a blend made so its only 1cc a day. gonna be nice.

Short ester? Nice blend and great ratio's (for me) lol

[OnTheSauce]

the test will be enanthate .

[H93]

Also I wanted to add, it's not like I'm going to start tomorrow. I have till roughly mid to late fed to write it in stone. Since my contest is June 1st, technically march 9th would be 12 weeks out. Also wondering what would be good to take while I'm just dieting and on my off cycle if anything at all.

[Lunk1]

Also I wanted to add, it's not like I'm going to start tomorrow. I have till roughly mid to late fed to write it in stone. Since my contest is June 1st, technically march 9th would be 12 weeks out. Also wondering what would be good to take while I'm just dieting and on my off cycle if anything at all.

How bout we do this....lets go back to the basics! Since you have time...lets make sure you fully understand everything you need to know!

Start by reading the steroid profiles of each compound your considering, then read it 3 more times...perhaps a quiz will follow

Believe it or not I care about your health!!!

[OnTheSauce]

be glad he cares. he doesnt give a crap about my health. he just wants me to keep blasting and upping doses until i lift 1000lbs

[H93]

^ hahaha,

steroid profiles here i come.


tren / read and done. Knew most about it but found a few things i didnt know. Thanks.

[CamCommand]

lol a quiz. thats whats up, i'll take it too

[OnTheSauce]

Watch your blood pressure on Tren , mine goes way up!

[Lunk1]

watch your blood pressure on tren, mine goes way up!

yup!

[CamCommand]

H93 you can use the blood pressure monitor at OSC** I used it all the time

[kingcali]

it seems lunk1 is finally getting thru..

goodluck with your cycle

[H93]

So i read up on all three, test e, tren ace, and masteron p. Looks like everything i read, showed them saying they work well with eachother.
One of the things i didnt know was that someone that wants to keep as much hair one there head should take Finasteride with the masteron.... But anyways it still seems like from what i read the correct dosage should be in the area of:

1-4 test e @ 500mg ew
4-12 test e @ 250mg ew
4-12 tren ace @ 100mg eod---- also read, if i have sides that i cant handle its easy to quite taking since the ester flushes out quickly, within a few days.
7-12 mast p @ 100mg eod ---- also going on the what the profile said would be the most effective/cost effective lowest dose to take.

hcg 250iu 2x a week 1-12
letro(on hand)
Finasteride

pct: hcg 500iu
temox 40/40/20/20


I also looked at `stacking, stacks and cycles etc` and thats what im bases this mostly off of. I know lunk1 said not everything is 100% up to date but seems pretty pair with some of the recommendations. Please excuse me if this still seems inexperienced. I am aware of the sides and if my body just doesnt take to something Ill discontinue the use. Thats also why i think the way the cycle is set up, Ill know exactly whats affecting me as in sides. Also seen it stacked like this in the charts.

[OnTheSauce]

Personally id say do the Tren ed. More stable blood levels and most users report less sides that way.

[H93]

K thanks. I was wondering about clen . Since I wont be starting my cutting cycle till beginning of march, from what i read about bigandy69 FAQ post its fine to take off cycle and with nothing but clen....Would any vets agree that it would benefit me to take clen `2wk on and 2wk off` or `slowly increase dose over the weeks` from jan to march till im on cycle. Mainly interested in clen cause the anabolic affect helping preserve muscle while dieting...

Also anyone have a input on the suggestion from the faqs on clen on this forum, Should i keep a steady increase over the weeks instead of coming off....Seems to make more sense then 2/2.

[H93]

Just wanted to throw this out there. I talked to my supplier and what seems the most cost effective way for me is to buy a mix. Its prop/tren /mast all at an equal 50mg / 150mg total per ml and a 20cc bottle. This would last me 8.5 weeks if i was to do it at 1ml-ed or 2ml eod. Only thing is i still have that tren ace full bottle 100mg/ml 20cc bottle....

test/ 600mg 1-4

Mix-test/tren/mast - 100mg eod 5-12

Add an extra 25mg of tren eod 8-12 so that the tren is higher...

This seems like the best bang for buck....

[Lunk1]

Just wanted to throw this out there. I talked to my supplier and what seems the most cost effective way for me is to buy a mix. Its prop/tren /mast all at an equal 50mg / 150mg total per ml and a 20cc bottle. This would last me 8.5 weeks if i was to do it at 1ml-ed or 2ml eod. Only thing is i still have that tren ace full bottle 100mg/ml 20cc bottle....

test/ 600mg 1-4

Mix-test/tren/mast - 100mg eod 5-12

Add an extra 25mg of tren eod 8-12 so that the tren is higher...

This seems like the best bang for buck....

Blends are a sales gimmick as far as I'm concerned..it gives you no ability to adjust doses to your needs or preferences. For example if you want o adjust your test up or down you can't. Mast should run high and the blend stops you from having the most effective doses

[OnTheSauce]

Which is why im getting my blend custom made to the doses I want

[H93]

maybe ill have to ask him if i can get that done...

[OnTheSauce]

100mg Tren a, 85mg masteron p, and 35mg test e per ml.