Planning out cutting cycle Test/trenA/XXXX

[H93]

Ok i wanted to rewrite this really quick. I also like to know how to edit my title. I want the XXXX to say Masteron . Anyways this is how I`m going to run my cutting cycle starting April 4th, 2013. I`m going with the mix of 50mgx3 of prop, tren ace, mast prop. Its 150mg/ml @ 20cc and getting two bottles. Only thing is, is this is my first time with tren so the dosage it low from what some people think. Myself and many others feel is a great starting dose....Also I never done mastron either so I`m going to have to really pay attention to sides and if its from tren or mast that im reacting too. CYCLE:

1cc eod (50mg ea compound) for 16 pins. 175mg of each compound a week

1.5cc eod (75mg) for the next 16 pins. 262.5mg of each compound a week

8 1/2 week cycle 62 day cycle

HCG weeks 250iu 2x wk threw cycle. Also first time using.

Letro .5mg eod
caber if needed
nolva 20/20/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50

I want to be safe then sorry. Ive read alot on vets that say 300mg a week of tren is ideal for gains vs sides but wasnt clear if they meant for your first time. I feel very confident in this cycle and cant wait to start(12 weeks away roughly)
Stats:
24yrs old
244lbs
11-12%bf
3rd cycle
Show is on June 1st.

3/17/2013 - 226lbs 9%ish

[anahny]

Is this your first time using tren ? Plus we need stats. Age, height, weight etc?? Imo. You should keep your test lower than tren and increase the tren. Test 150mg/week tren 300mg /week. And 14 weeks is way too long long. It's better to keep it at 8. You should read Atominis sticky about tren.

[Lunk1]

have you considered tossing the kitchen sink in...might as well!

Mast will not directly help you unless your below 12% BF

If your going to run Tren A just run it along with Test prop.

A quick in and out 8 week cycle is great for results and recovery!

I like Tren at 350mg week (100mg eod)

Test @ 50mg EOD! (175 EW)

With your test this low you can use a very low dose of adex or perhaps be able to just keep it on hand...if you know what you are looking for with E2 sides

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I wouldn't recommend running Winstrol unless you already have low BF%. I ran Winstrol after a bulk and it did little to nothing in terms of BF loss. More so dried my up and vascularity increased.

Test/Tren /Mast is a good combo. Have you considered Anavar at all?

Of course none of this will do much of anything unless you are eating properly.

[H93]

anahny: Yes first time using tren in the mix. I put stats BTW. Ok so Ill read more about the 8 weeks thing. Thanks

Lunki: Im guessing `the kitchen sink` is a funny remark?? I dont know what that means.
I know that mast a the cutters only work well if your low in Bf....If im bulking and still a 13-14BF and wont let myself get more then that, wouldnt this be great? Considering when i cut down in the starting the end of Jan till the end of may(JUNE 1st contest) Ill be well below 12% in the time to take the mast. More like 8% by the time i take mast/cutter.

Johnnyblaze: As i have in the first post and replied to Lunki, I eat clean and going to be very clean coming this cut cycle since im getting ready for a show on June 1st. I havent looked into anavar that much since i read its a very low/not powerful aas(correct me if im wrong)....

So since i should run tren at a max of 8 weeks, what and how do i run test or anything else? I dont want to cut without any aas cause i dont want to loose any muscle. Since im starting to cut 16 weeks out(end of jan till end of may), i dont want to cut for 8 weeks on nothing, worrying about loosing precious muscle.....

this is a pic a couple weeks ago to show about how lean

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Anavar doesn't do much in terms of mass gaining or strength gains as compared to other compounds. It's BF loss properties are amongst the top if not the top IMO.

If you're running Test/Tren alongside the Anavar then I wouldn't worry much about strength gains. You will get plenty of that from the Test/Tren alone.

[Lunk1]

Ah yes I remember the pic...

If you are going to cut and have 16 weeks I would run them all long ester. i love the Test/Tren /Mast combo and even toss in Var or winnie at the end!

Thsi is my fav.....

1-12 Tren E 250 mg EW
1-12 Tren E 500 mg EW
1-12 Mast E 600 mg EW
10-13 Winnie or Var
Aromasin 12.5 EOD
Hcg 250iu X 2 per week

14-17 PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Ah yes I remember the pic...

If you are going to cut and have 16 weeks I would run them all long ester. i love the Test/Tren /Mast combo and even toss in Var or winnie at the end!

Thsi is my fav.....

1-12 Tren E 250 mg EW
1-12 Tren E 500 mg EW
1-12 Mast E 600 mg EW
10-13 Winnie or Var
Aromasin 12.5 EOD
Hcg 250iu X 2 per week

14-17 PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Incredible combo, may be my next .

Not a fan of long esters much lately, I might switched those all with shorts. It's all a personal preference though .

[Lunk1]

Incredible combo, may be my next .

Not a fan of long esters much lately, I might switched those all with shorts. It's all a personal preference though .

I really like the same combo in short esters as well. If you havn't JV you should read up on Mast and it ability to act as a cheerleader of sorts to other compounds such as tren . I am not sure there is a better combo and if they could dose a blend right it would be awesome. I don't think they can get it to not crash with as much Mast as there should be!

[H93]

Johnnyblaze. Ill def look into the anavar . Sounds good and what id like to run coming from what your saying. Not to worried about strength gains but keeping what i have and hardening up and cutting for the show.

Lunk1: So 8 weeks isnt the max someone should take of tren ??? Cause your saying a full 12 weeks now? Is that cause its a long ester? cause my only problem would be i ALREADY have the tren ace. Full bottle. If i was to keep my tren how would/should i do my cycle should i still run test at 1-12 weeks or just do a 8 weeks?

BTW why wouldnt the test400 be good? is it cause its a mix of different test?

[Lunk1]

So if your trying to use what you have on hand (I hate this kinda stuff cause it limits things) then I would do the following

1-12 test 400 (400mg EW)
5-12 Tren A (350mg EW) How much do you have? 1 10ML vial will never get you through a cycle

AI throughout cycle
HCG
Caber or Prami on hand

What ester is your mast?? how much do you have?

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I really like the same combo in short esters as well. If you havn't JV you should read up on Mast and it ability to act as a cheerleader of sorts to other compounds such as tren. I am not sure there is a better combo and if they could dose a blend right it would be awesome. I don't think they can get it to not crash with as much Mast as there should be!

I've read up on Mast and like that it is a DHT, almost don't have to run an AI.

I'm afraid of loosing my hair though :O

[Metalject]

I'm not begin a smart ass with this question....do you understand that masteron , winstrol and clen do not belong together? That's like saying which should I pick, the apple, the banana or the dinning room chair? Clen's not a steroid , you could use it regardless of the steroids in your stack or how many steroids are in your stack. You could use it with just test or you could use it with everything you mentioned or something in-between.

As far as Winstrol or Masteron, I like Winstrol, actually I like both even both at the same time but if you're going with one it might be best to try one this time and then the other next time and see if there's one you like better.

Last note, why in every thread regardless of the questions topics do 50 people always have to say "hope you're eating right" or something like that? It's annoying.

[Lunk1]

I've read up on Mast and like that it is a DHT, almost don't have to run an AI.

I'm afraid of loosing my hair though :O

Nooo never use mast in place of an AI...it just isnt strong enough. I like how it makes other compounds like tren more effective, more productive!

[Lunk1]

I'm not begin a smart ass with this question....do you understand that masteron , winstrol and clen do not belong together? That's like saying which should I pick, the apple, the banana or the dinning room chair? Clen's not a steroid , you could use it regardless of the steroids in your stack or how many steroids are in your stack. You could use it with just test or you could use it with everything you mentioned or something in-between.

As far as Winstrol or Masteron, I like Winstrol, actually I like both even both at the same time but if you're going with one it might be best to try one this time and then the other next time and see if there's one you like better.

Last note, why in every thread regardless of the questions topics do 50 people always have to say "hope you're eating right" or something like that? It's annoying.

Hey Metel...I hope your eating right

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Nooo never use mast in place of an AI...it just isnt strong enough. I like how it makes other compounds like tren more effective, more productive!

I agree .

[H93]

Lunk1: As what i meant about what i have on hand already is just the tren ace. I will be able to get anything else for this next cycle. Im using test400 right now but will be getting everything i need but the tren ace cause i already have that. And since the test400 is painfull as fark, i want to try another test anyways. I believe i have 20ml bottles. The tren ace is 100mg/ml and in the same bottle that my test 400/400mg-ml and that will last me 16 weeks at 400mg a week.
So let me put it simple(sorry for the confusion)
I have Tren Ace already....I will be buying everything else. Test, and mast and anavor if i want to run that also.

Mentalject: Thanks fro clarifying that clen mast and win are all completely different..... [QUOTE]why in every thread regardless of the questions topics do 50 people always have to say "hope you're eating right" or something like that? It's annoying.[QUOTE]. love this

Johnny: I saw that it does act like and AI but not to rely on it to do so. To still have something one hand just in case. And yes, i agree about the hair loss.


Anyways i hope that clears it up. IM going to try and get rid of my ace so i can get the E but im not counting on it. So any insight on what should be ran and for how long if i have to keep my Ace but can buy/ will buy the mast and test in coming weeks.

edit: Aslo i thought mast was like winny in a since of its only used for the end of the cycle. So Mast is a full cycle steroid ?

[Perseverance1]

Yes, you can use mast for a full cycle. I'll be dosing it @ 500mg/week (minimum suggested for males) for 14 weeks (long Esther) next summer. I may up the dosage to 550-600...I don't recall off the top of my head how much "extra" I'll end up with right now. I've already placed my order though.

[H93]

From the looks of it, since the tren ace is something you pin eod, i should get a test thats also a eod (short ester?) and pin all at once?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Well guys Im soon to be finishing up my Bulking cycle with a great success so far. Anyways I`ve been reading alot about cycles dosages etc. Please inform me with any questionable things i have in my cycle plan:

Test400 at 400mg a week 1-14

Tren Ace at 50mg eod 2-14

Mastron or Winstrol or Clen at xxx 8-12??

Thinking on trying a different test since i have to pin EOD due to the tren and never tried anything else....Any suggestions?
Tren from what i read i should start at a low to normal dosage to see how my body reacts making sure it takes it fine so 50 eod is what i found to be a good starting point, maybe slighlty higher to 75mg.

As far as the finally cutter/ hardener i cant decide which one. Mast i keep hearing positives but i guess it hard to find. Also and recommendations for dosages, when to start when to end etc. I have a while to put this in writing since im still in my bulking stage, I just like to be ready. Also I already have the tren ace.

Ps 5'11 at 243lbs and still gaining for about a month or so. 13-14% BF, 24 next month. Also what AI would i use for this. I read tren doesnt convert into estro so i dont need a arimidex or anything, but rather a gyno blocker...Anything from Ar-r i can get? Thanks


Edit: Sorry for so many questions but also would dbol be ok for the first 4 weeks? Since this is a cutting cycle wasnt sure if that would be a good idea and since tren a is fast acting......Just wanted that quick start....

This is what I would do

Test (any ester) 150-200mg per week
Tren ace 50mg ED (350mg per week)
Mast prop 50mg ED (350mg per week)

Keep the test low to avoid the water retention while you are cutting, and let the tren and mast do the work. And no, I wouldn't use dbol

[H93]

^ would eod 100mg be fine? Cause i dont mind pinning cause it has to be done, but the less the better. My tren ace i know can be done eod, would mast p be ok eod also? Also would ever two days be too long in between? Like mon,thurs,sund,tues. That too long apart?

[Lunk1]

I'm going to say this with the utmost sincerity...you need to stop and learn ALOT more before doing this! You don't even have the basic knowledge of ester size and pinning schedule. You should spend a cpl months reading and learning. You have made it obvious that you know NOTHING!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

^ would eod 100mg be fine? Cause i dont mind pinning cause it has to be done, but the less the better. My tren ace i know can be done eod, would mast p be ok eod also? Also would ever two days be too long in between? Like mon,thurs,sund,tues. That too long apart?

Yes you can definitely do EOD instead if you want to save yourself some pinning.

[bigsiv]

Why do people hate pinning so much? I look forward to it. Keeps me that bit more motivated not that I need it.
Think I must enjoy the pain in the ass lol weird

[bigsiv]

Why do people hate pinning so much?

I look forward to it. Keeps me that bit more motivated not that I need it.
Think I must enjoy the pain in the arse lol weird

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Why do people hate pinning so much?

I look forward to it. Keeps me that bit more motivated not that I need it.
Think I must enjoy the pain in the arse lol weird

lol I'm the same way until I realized I've been pinning myself every day for 3 months. At that point I know it's time to stop.

Maybe we are just sick fuks?

[bigsiv]

lol I'm the same way until I realized I've been pinning myself every day for 3 months. At that point I know it's time to stop.

Maybe we are just sick ****s like that?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha 3 months ed ouch

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha 3 months ed ouch

and I didn't even count the two daily hgh injections either. slin pin injects are nothing though

[bigsiv]

and I didn't even count the two daily hgh injections either. slin pin injects are nothing though

Wouldn't know bro never done it! (Yet lol)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Wouldn't know bro never done it! (Yet lol)

Don't even bother. You'll be broke by next christmas once you start

[bigsiv]

Don't even bother. You'll be broke by next christmas once you start

Ha ha ha I'm broke now lol my kids are killing my gains ha ha ha

[H93]

I thanks everyone for there advise. lunk1: I know it was a dumb question, really just wishful think lol sorry.... ester is just long or short correct? Like test e is pin ew and test p is ed or eod....? right....

Would this be good? Im just basically tweaking what youll suggested. And i only do this cause i see most people wait to add mastron and figured it would be a good idea since i never done tren and the first 6 weeks will help me see what tren alone does...

1-12 test e @ 200mg ew
1-12 tren ace @ 100 eod(350week)
6-12 mast p @ 100 eod (350week) maybe slightly more like 125eod

and ai and pct bla bla as mentioned. Caber or Prami, there anything that ar-r makes thats like this?

[bigsiv]

I thanks everyone for there advise. lunk1: I know it was a dumb question, really just wishful think lol sorry.... ester is just long or short correct? Like test e is pin ew and test p is ed or eod....? right....

Would this be good? Im just basically tweaking what youll suggested. And i only do this cause i see most people wait to add mastron and figured it would be a good idea since i never done tren and the first 6 weeks will help me see what tren alone does...

1-12 test e @ 200mg ew
1-12 tren ace @ 100 eod(350week)
6-12 mast p @ 100 eod (350week) maybe slightly more like 125eod

and ai and pct bla bla as mentioned. Caber or Prami, there anything that ar-r makes thats like this?

Correct and better cycle plan looks good, good luck

[Lunk1]

I thanks everyone for there advise. lunk1: I know it was a dumb question, really just wishful think lol sorry.... ester is just long or short correct? Like test e is pin ew and test p is ed or eod....? right....

Would this be good? Im just basically tweaking what youll suggested. And i only do this cause i see most people wait to add mastron and figured it would be a good idea since i never done tren and the first 6 weeks will help me see what tren alone does...

1-12 test e @ 200mg ew
1-12 tren ace @ 100 eod(350week)
6-12 mast p @ 100 eod (350week) maybe slightly more like 125eod

and ai and pct bla bla as mentioned. Caber or Prami, there anything that ar-r makes thats like this?

I was nice the first time...now I'm going to try tuff love! You have no fkn clue what your doing! This cycle you pruposed proves it! I have doubts you have ever cycled! There are 19 yo kids that come on here that could tell you how fkd up this is...where ya at Shsm? Please..for your own sake, sit back, spend hours, days and weeks reading the stickys and the profiles. My god man....everyone should have common knowledge of esters and pinning schedules before even contimplating a cycle. Your treating this very irresponsibly...I question your age with this mentality! Be pissed if you like but your headed for trouble.....

[Lunk1]

Correct and better cycle plan looks good, good luck

WTF? Tren A 12 weeks and Mast at 350 mg EW?
AI and PCT BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mention of HCG ...

Correct and better cycle???????????

Please anyone responding read the entire thread to see how little the op knows about the road he plans to travel!!!!

[bigsiv]

WTF? Tren A 12 weeks and Mast at 350 mg EW?
AI and PCT BLAH BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mention of HCG ...

Correct and better cycle???????????

Please anyone responding read the entire thread to see how little the op knows about the road he plans to travel!!!!

Calm down Lunk
Correct meant short ester pin ed or eod long being ew. Which is correct yes?

Ai and pct blah to me meant protocol for this cycle my bad should have checked every but apologies

Tren a bit long? That's a matter of opinion. Mastering dosage a bit low possibly

Hcg bit mentioned fair play!!!

Better cycle than the first cycle the OP mentioned YES I'm not the first to not read the full thread and jump to end

Correct and better ??????

Sorry Lunk my sincerest apologies!

[Lunk1]

Sorry Big...my rant was pointed in the wrong direction and is simply frustration at the op's lack of basics yet desire to run a multi compound stack consisting of tren without having even basic knowledge or desire to research on his own.

My apologies for aiming in the wrong direction

[bigsiv]

Sorry Big...my rant was pointed in the wrong direction and is simply frustration at the op's lack of basics yet desire to run a multi compound stack consisting of tren without having even basic knowledge or desire to research on his own.

My apologies for aiming in the wrong direction

Listen Lunk don't worry bout it. Ya seem
To be lashing out lately is everything ok or is it tren doing ya head in? Lol

[OnTheSauce]

I haven't seen him any pms lately. He's a little cranky

[H93]

The only reason why i said blah blah about the ai and pct is because it is basic know how to run that in a cycle. You told me that two months ago with i wanted to start my bulking cycle. IM not pissed but just getting kinda impatient with people saying im 18 yada yada. Im 24 this month and im on my 2nd cycle like i said in my first post about my bulking cycle which is going fantastic so far btw(9th pin last thurs). And the WTF 350mg a week of mast??? Alphadog suggested that dosage so why am i being flamed?
Please just be respectful. I know you can take my word for a grain of salt but i was born dec 24 1988. in cali. but half the info out there is back and forth and bias so i come here to ask also.
And the last cycle i just wrote was basically a mix of what you suggested (in dosage) but changed it slightly due to what IVE RESEARCHED.

And as far as wtf tren for 12 weeks, the quote is what you suggested? So why would you be saying wtf about my wanting to running the tren 12 weeks? This is what i mean about getting confused about some of the info i get cause one post i get is the opposite of the other. Is it you can take a long ester tren for 12 weeks but not ace?

Ah yes I remember the pic...

If you are going to cut and have 16 weeks I would run them all long ester. i love the Test/Tren/Mast combo and even toss in Var or winnie at the end!

Thsi is my fav.....

1-12 Tren E 250 mg EW
1-12 Tren E 500 mg EW
1-12 Mast E 600 mg EW
10-13 Winnie or Var
Aromasin 12.5 EOD
Hcg 250iu X 2 per week

14-17 PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Again, please keep in mind, that im just trying to be a member here. I try and be respectful towards others so please just lunk1, just try and relax. Sometimes I cant get out what i want threw writing. IM always trying to do quick replies etc due to me being busy. I dont know what else to say really. I know theres alot of people that dont know shite but im coming along.

This is me yesterday.

1-12 test e @ 200mg ew
1-12 tren ace @ 100 eod (350week)
6-12 mast p @ 100 eod (350week)
Aromasin 12.5 EOD
Hcg 250iu X 2 per week

14-17 PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

That better, i didnt think i had to include the pct and ai`s to not get flamed.