Cruise/Blast cycle 1 year from now...

**Perseverance1** · 12-14-2012, 06:46 PM

I'm thinking of running a Cruise/Blast "cycle" next December through June...The obvious downside being I could end up on TRT for life (I am more than fine with that)

I'm looking at something like this:

Week 1-6 100mg var
Week 1-12 750mg Test E
Week 1-10 600mg Deca

Week 12-15 20mg dbol

Week 15-27 250mg Test E
Week 15-25 100mg Deca
Week 15-27 400-600mg Tren E (Depends how my body reacts to my first Tren cycle this summer @ 400mg)

I still need to research just what kind of aggressive PCT I would need to run with this, and of course my AI/Caber etc. that I will be running on cycle (Not on hand).

I'm also wondering how much more effective HCG would be on a blast/cruise than on just a regular cycle...meaning how much more important it would be to say, run 250iu 2x weekly throughout the entire 27 weeks.

Obviously I am going to put a lot of thought into this, as I have a full 12 months to make my decision/gather much more information (I know next to nothing about blasting/cruising currently). But I just wanted to get this "on paper" for now and see what people think/gain a bit of knowledge from some of you smarter guys out there on the forums.

Thanks.

**Bio-Active** · 12-14-2012, 06:55 PM

Cmon man at 24 there is no reason to consider shutting yourself down for that long. Why do you want to consider doing this?

**MuscleInk** · 12-14-2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Perseverance1

I'm thinking of running a Cruise/Blast "cycle" next December through June...The obvious downside being I could end up on TRT for life (I am more than fine with that)

I'm looking at something like this:

Week 1-6 100mg var
Week 1-12 750mg Test E
Week 1-10 600mg Deca

Week 12-15 20mg dbol

Week 15-27 250mg Test E
Week 15-25 100mg Deca
Week 15-27 400-600mg Tren E (Depends how my body reacts to my first Tren cycle this summer @ 400mg)

I still need to research just what kind of aggressive PCT I would need to run with this, and of course my AI/Caber etc. that I will be running on cycle (Not on hand).

I'm also wondering how much more effective HCG would be on a blast/cruise than on just a regular cycle...meaning how much more important it would be to say, run 250iu 2x weekly throughout the entire 27 weeks.

Obviously I am going to put a lot of thought into this, as I have a full 12 months to make my decision/gather much more information (I know next to nothing about blasting/cruising currently). But I just wanted to get this "on paper" for now and see what people think/gain a bit of knowledge from some of you smarter guys out there on the forums.

Thanks.

I would rethink that plan. It's easy at 24 years old to say you're okay with TRT when you haven't had to depend on it to function normally. It's a whole different story when your faced with weekly injections for the rest of your life. IMO, cruising/blasting is something to consider when you are already on TRT, not something to do to put you on TRT the rest of your life.

There is no reason to shut yourself down permanently if you can PCT and recover.

**Perseverance1** · 12-14-2012, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I would rethink that plan. It's easy at 24 years old to say you're okay with TRT when you haven't had to depend on it to function normally. It's a whole different story when your faced with weekly injections for the rest of your life. IMO, cruising/blasting is something to consider when you are already on TRT, not something to do to put you on TRT the rest of your life.

There is no reason to shut yourself down permanently if you can PCT and recover.

I understand your reasoning and I can't argue with the (You may have a different outlook on it in x years) but I honestly look forward to my bi-weekly injections...In fact, I think the only way it could get better is if I got my test for free and didn't risk my career with each and every order.

I know I am going to use AAS for as long as I am able to lift, so I might as well do a blast and cruise now while I have the highest chance of actually recovering (I'll be 25/26 if I do the cycle next year from Dec-June).

There could be something that I am missing, but it seems like the worst case scenario is a 23 gauge needle going into me 52 times a year. Don't get me wrong, this risk isn't something to take lightly...and you really have to look at the pros and cons as well as make the most informed decision you can...but I feel like for me and my own personal goals...this is what I would like to do.

Again, I have an entire year to really make up my mind, but right now the cons don't look too bad, and the pros are obvious. I'll definitely troll the HRT forums and see what/how people on TRT feel to get a better idea what I'd be dealing with...and I definitely respect and appreciate all of your opinions (Yours above most, MI).

Thanks a lot guys.

EDIT: I should add that the worst thing I can think of con-wise is the 3+ months it will take my doctors to figure out I need to be on TRT, if I can't recover natty....NOT looking forward to that stint...

**MuscleInk** · 12-14-2012, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Perseverance1

I understand your reasoning and I can't argue with the (You may have a different outlook on it in x years) but I honestly look forward to my bi-weekly injections...In fact, I think the only way it could get better is if I got my test for free and didn't risk my career with each and every order.

I know I am going to use AAS for as long as I am able to lift, so I might as well do a blast and cruise now while I have the highest chance of actually recovering (I'll be 25/26 if I do the cycle next year from Dec-June).

There could be something that I am missing, but it seems like the worst case scenario is a 23 gauge needle going into me 52 times a year. Don't get me wrong, this risk isn't something to take lightly...and you really have to look at the pros and cons as well as make the most informed decision you can...but I feel like for me and my own personal goals...this is what I would like to do.

Again, I have an entire year to really make up my mind, but right now the cons don't look too bad, and the pros are obvious. I'll definitely troll the HRT forums and see what/how people on TRT feel to get a better idea what I'd be dealing with...and I definitely respect and appreciate all of your opinions (Yours above most, MI).

Thanks a lot guys.

EDIT: I should add that the worst thing I can think of con-wise is the 3+ months it will take my doctors to figure out I need to be on TRT, if I can't recover natty....NOT looking forward to that stint...

I understand what you are saying but I still think its a very short sighted decision. I started TRT at 39 years of age for low T and I had never used steroids prior to TRT. If I was in your situation, I would cycle responsibly with proper PCT and avoid abusing steroids or your endocrine system. TRT should be sought when you actually have a problem with your natural testosterone and a REAL need for it.

The choice is yours but I believe you may regret the decision to cruise and blast in another 20 or 30 years when you've needed interventional endocrinology just to feel "normal" and you're looking at another 30 years of therapy. I really don't think you are looking at this reasonably, but its your body. Be prepared for the consequences if you chose to abuse these drugs when you really have no reason to.

Edit: I appreciate the accolades. I'd just like to see you stay healthy for as long as possible until you need certain therapies.

**songdog** · 12-14-2012, 08:15 PM

I agree with them not a very responceable decision.

**Perseverance1** · 12-14-2012, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I understand what you are saying but I still think its a very short sighted decision. I started TRT at 39 years of age for low T and I had never used steroids prior to TRT. If I was in your situation, I would cycle responsibly with proper PCT and avoid abusing steroids or your endocrine system. TRT should be sought when you actually have a problem with your natural testosterone and a REAL need for it.

The choice is yours but I believe you may regret the decision to cruise and blast in another 20 or 30 years when you've needed interventional endocrinology just to feel "normal" and you're looking at another 30 years of therapy. I really don't think you are looking at this reasonably, but its your body. Be prepared for the consequences if you chose to abuse these drugs when you really have no reason to.

Edit: I appreciate the accolades. I'd just like to see you stay healthy for as long as possible until you need certain therapies.

Well MI; you're more experienced than me, more successful than me, and quite likely much smarter than me....so I'm definitely leaning further towards not choosing this path for myself. Granted I wouldn't be doing it for "no reason" as we all have our reasons for turning to AAS or cruising/blasting.

If you don't mind, could you tell me some of the negative factors regarding TRT that either you have experienced or others on TRT you've spoken to have told you about?

**Lunk1** · 12-14-2012, 09:50 PM

One of the biggest downfalls OTHER than lifetime TRT (at your age) is the fact you may never be able to father a child. I personaly couldn't imagine anything worse in life!

**boz** · 12-14-2012, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Perseverance1

I'm thinking of running a Cruise/Blast "cycle" next December through June...The obvious downside being I could end up on TRT for life (I am more than fine with that)

I'm looking at something like this:

Week 1-6 100mg var
Week 1-12 750mg Test E
Week 1-10 600mg Deca

Week 12-15 20mg dbol

Week 15-27 250mg Test E
Week 15-25 100mg Deca
Week 15-27 400-600mg Tren E (Depends how my body reacts to my first Tren cycle this summer @ 400mg)

I still need to research just what kind of aggressive PCT I would need to run with this, and of course my AI/Caber etc. that I will be running on cycle (Not on hand).

I'm also wondering how much more effective HCG would be on a blast/cruise than on just a regular cycle...meaning how much more important it would be to say, run 250iu 2x weekly throughout the entire 27 weeks.

Obviously I am going to put a lot of thought into this, as I have a full 12 months to make my decision/gather much more information (I know next to nothing about blasting/cruising currently). But I just wanted to get this "on paper" for now and see what people think/gain a bit of knowledge from some of you smarter guys out there on the forums.

Thanks.

I know your still thinking about this, but you sir are heading for trouble if you go ahead with this cycle. To many mix of compounds, way to long to stay on. I cant talk im 24 to but there is no way i run doses like that and that many different compounds. Firstly your mixing 2 x 19 nors you obviously havent done your research thoroughly. Think hard and carefully before you make this decision mate, it may be your last.

**Lunk1** · 12-14-2012, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by boz

I know your still thinking about this, but you sir are heading for trouble if you go ahead with this cycle. To many mix of compounds, way to long to stay on. I cant talk im 24 to but there is no way i run doses like that and that many different compounds. Firstly your mixing 2 x 19 nors you obviously havent done your research thoroughly. Think hard and carefully before you make this decision mate, it may be your last.

Its a low dose of deca mixed with tren . Why should he avoid 2 19nors on cycle?

**boz** · 12-15-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Its a low dose of deca mixed with tren. Why should he avoid 2 19nors on cycle?

Counter productive imo

**Granovich** · 12-15-2012, 12:54 AM

why dont you do normal 8 weeks cycles and do all precautions and hopefully you wont need TRT up until late 30's or 40's
why Trt when you are that young.

**Granovich** · 12-15-2012, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by boz

Counter productive imo

of course its not counter productive. how is it counter productive !!!!
and he is gonna do 27 weeks of test and 1 or 2 nandrones wont make any difference LOL
that length of testosterone and 2 19nor's i doubt that he will ever recover!
its a suicide . but no its not counter productive they dont cancel each other man

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by boz

I know your still thinking about this, but you sir are heading for trouble if you go ahead with this cycle. To many mix of compounds, way to long to stay on. I cant talk im 24 to but there is no way i run doses like that and that many different compounds. Firstly your mixing 2 x 19 nors you obviously havent done your research thoroughly. Think hard and carefully before you make this decision mate, it may be your last.

....research the benefits of a low dose of deca and get back to me.

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

of course its not counter productive. how is it counter productive !!!!
and he is gonna do 27 weeks of test and 1 or 2 nandrones wont make any difference LOL
that length of testosterone and 2 19nor's i doubt that he will ever recover!
its a suicide . but no its not counter productive they dont cancel each other man

So you think there's a zero percent chance of recovery? Is this based on knowledge/experience (first or second hand) or just speculation? The odds of recovery are probably the most important piece of information to me.

Oh, and Lunk...if I had total shut down would I not be able to father children, or is losing the ability to make babies just a possibility for TRT patients? I'm still undecided on whether I want spawns or not..granted I could just freeze my future babies in a lab somewhere, it's still information I'd like to have prior to making any decisions.

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Perseverance1

So you think there's a zero percent chance of recovery? Is this based on knowledge/experience (first or second hand) or just speculation? The odds of recovery are probably the most important piece of information to me.

Oh, and Lunk...if I had total shut down would I not be able to father children, or is losing the ability to make babies just a possibility for TRT patients? I'm still undecided on whether I want spawns or not..granted I could just freeze my future babies in a lab somewhere, it's still information I'd like to have prior to making any decisions.

The longer you experience shut down the more difficultit is to recover. If your not producing natty test then children are not an option! Unless you got a hot chick, I may be able to assist

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by boz

Counter productive imo

Alot of ppl like a low dose of deca including TRT guys as they enjoy the benifits of joint relief. Is that dose going to offer any real anabolic benifit...NO!

**Allaaro** · 12-15-2012, 08:04 AM

Agree, stay away.

Also, dbol is not a cruise(or at least a very smart one).....testosterone should be used 24/7.

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 08:29 AM

I'm gonna offer a different perspective here, & I'll probably get chastised for it but I've never cared before & I'm not gonna start caring now.................

I started a blast & cruise cycle almost 9 months ago...............I feel its thee single best decision I've ever made as far as steroids go, I feel like king mother fvcking kong 24 - 7 & I have made astonishing gains that I don't have to worry about loosing when I "come off". I admit, I was a bit fearful at first when considering the blast & cruise method, & that was mainly due to the internet hype such as "you're gonna end up on TRT, it's not worth it, you'll have to do injections for the rest of your life" & so on....... Well, I've been injecting 29 ml of gear a week (6 injections per week) for going on 9 months now & I have to say, I laugh at the idea of injecting .75 ml, once a week for the rest of my life. I know I will need TRT whenever I decide to come off this cycle, & I'm fine with that, I'm 100% fine with having the Testosterone levels of a 15 - 20 year old for the rest of my life.

I'm not trying to convince you to blast & cruise, I just thought after a whole thread of the same old reasons not to do it, you might like to hear from someone that doesn't regret it. And I'm not trying to discredit the mentioned reasons not to do it either, these are indeed very valid concerns to take into consideration............but..............it's not all doom & gloom.

Keep in mind this MY opinion / perspective based on MY experience(s)

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 08:31 AM

FYI, I decided to blast & cruise because I'm a strongman competitor & I intend on claiming the title of Worlds Strongest Man in the very near future.

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 09:17 AM

Bear, your line of thought is the exact same as mine...I am on 750mg test e and 60mg of dbol and I feel incredible.....I can't even explain it to people who haven't used gear before....it's simply amazing. I'll take 5 minutes of discomfort a week for the godlike feelings I have right now....

Honestly the only concern I have at the moment is the inability to have children. But even that is something I can "fix".

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 09:23 AM

Keep in mind, the feeling between a TRT dose & a cycle dose will different..................... You'll still "feel good" on TRT but not what you feel on 3/4 of a gram of Test.......

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 09:29 AM

So elarged prostate, cardiovascular issues, high bp and cholesterol just to name a few are not a concern? Bears decision no doubt is goal based. I could be wrong but I doubt he would take these risks if he was the average gym warrior just trying to score more ass!

AAS use is all risv vs reward. Are you looking at a big $ sports contract, are you planning to compete on a BIG stage? If all your looking to do is look better and feel better then there are better ways with far less risks involved

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

So elarged prostate, cardiovascular issues, high bp and cholesterol just to name a few are not a concern? Bears decision no doubt is goal based. I could be wrong but I doubt he would take these risks if he was the average gym warrior just trying to score more ass!

AAS use is all risv vs reward. Are you looking at a big $ sports contract, are you planning to compete on a BIG stage? If all your looking to do is look better and feel better then there are better ways with far less risks involved

I get what you're saying regarding the risk vs reward but you've got to realize that the reward is in the eye of the beholder. Money/Noteriety might be the motivator for Bear, while for me I just want to take myself as far as I can, using whatever means I have available to me (without killing myself).

The main thing I'm looking for here is information about blasting/cruising and opinions from people who have done it before.

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Keep in mind, the feeling between a TRT dose & a cycle dose will different..................... You'll still "feel good" on TRT but not what you feel on 3/4 of a gram of Test.......

True, but with the scrip I will never have to worry about my employers wondering if I'm on gear...just another thing on the plus side.

**Bio-Active** · 12-15-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

I'm gonna offer a different perspective here, & I'll probably get chastised for it but I've never cared before & I'm not gonna start caring now.................

I started a blast & cruise cycle almost 9 months ago...............I feel its thee single best decision I've ever made as far as steroids go, I feel like king mother fvcking kong 24 - 7 & I have made astonishing gains that I don't have to worry about loosing when I "come off". I admit, I was a bit fearful at first when considering the blast & cruise method, & that was mainly due to the internet hype such as "you're gonna end up on TRT, it's not worth it, you'll have to do injections for the rest of your life" & so on....... Well, I've been injecting 29 ml of gear a week (6 injections per week) for going on 9 months now & I have to say, I laugh at the idea of injecting .75 ml, once a week for the rest of my life. I know I will need TRT whenever I decide to come off this cycle, & I'm fine with that, I'm 100% fine with having the Testosterone levels of a 15 - 20 year old for the rest of my life.

I'm not trying to convince you to blast & cruise, I just thought after a whole thread of the same old reasons not to do it, you might like to hear from someone that doesn't regret it. And I'm not trying to discredit the mentioned reasons not to do it either, these are indeed very valid concerns to take into consideration............but..............it's not all doom & gloom.

Keep in mind this MY opinion / perspective based on MY experience(s)

Bro i am with you on this but we are older. Would you do this if you were 24? I probably would not. I would cycle responsibly for as long as i could and when recovery isnt happening any more then consider trt or curse blast?

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

So elarged prostate, cardiovascular issues, high bp and cholesterol just to name a few are not a concern? Bears decision no doubt is goal based. I could be wrong but I doubt he would take these risks if he was the average gym warrior just trying to score more ass!

AAS use is all risv vs reward. Are you looking at a big $ sports contract, are you planning to compete on a BIG stage? If all your looking to do is look better and feel better then there are better ways with far less risks involved

Like I said, these are very valid concerns, but they are also easily controlled.

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Bro i am with you on this but we are older. Would you do this if you were 24? I probably would not. I would cycle responsibly for as long as i could and when recovery isnt happening any more then consider trt or curse blast?

Good point................

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Like I said, these are very valid concerns, but they are also easily controlled.

I'm not sure how you control the "possible" enlarging of the heart and prostate!

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Bro i am with you on this but we are older. Would you do this if you were 24? I probably would not. I would cycle responsibly for as long as i could and when recovery isnt happening any more then consider trt or curse blast?

I don't understand this....you're suggesting I do normal cycles until I push my body to the extent that I need TRT anyway? Am I missing something or is this what you're saying?

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I'm not sure how you control the "possible" enlarging of the heart and prostate!

As of now the best you can do for your heart is use fish oils & such, no, they don't prevent enlargement but they do promote an overall healthier function. But you can find several drugs used to prevent prostate enlargement at your doctors office & on the black market. And I recently read an article about certain foods that can help prevent prostate "issues". I'll see if I can dig it up.

**Capebuffalo** · 12-15-2012, 12:07 PM

I have been running Rowland's slingshot method for quiet a while now.
I deal with the prostate as needed and take a bp med every day.
I also run cialis and Viagra for circulation. I give blood often.
I deal with it. I won't ever be the same but I have chosen this path.

**Steiner** · 12-15-2012, 12:07 PM

I was shut down for a year after a test deca cycle. I think people don't actually realise the effect it will have on your life until you experience it.
It is not just an inability to get an erection but a total lack of interest in sex and women! Those girls that you almost spin your head off your shoulders to look at as they pass... forget that, you won't even have the desire to look at them, in fact you will lose that 'chick radar' completely.

You attention and memory will be shit, you will get mood swings, your muscles and joints will probably ache and forget sleeping.

Work will suffer as you lose your edge, that competitive alpha male thing that makes us successful... gone!

Even your personality will change considerably because for most men their libido is a major part of who they are.

When you walk through your city tomorrow and check out all those girls on the street, in shops, in offices, enjoy it because you won't even know they exist if you are shut down.

Being shut down is a lot more than your pecker being soft it will f**k your life up.

I will say that I think you will go ahead and do it anyway, you asked for advice and almost everyone has advised strongly against it but you find arguments to nullify any good advice you are getting but is is your life.

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Perseverance1

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I don't understand this....you're suggesting I do normal cycles until I push my body to the extent that I need TRT anyway? Am I missing something or is this what you're saying?

Thats exactly what he is suggesting. Running cycles, allow recovery and repeat until the body requires trt naturaly...then consider basting and cruising. Honestly your thought pattern exemplifies steroid abuse ! You goals can be reached in a more responsible manner!

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

As of now the best you can do for your heart is use fish oils & such, no, they don't prevent enlargement but they do promote an overall healthier function. But you can find several drugs used to prevent prostate enlargement at your doctors office & on the black market. And I recently read an article about certain foods that can help prevent prostate "issues". I'll see if I can dig it up.

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I have been running Rowland's slingshot method for quiet a while now.
I deal with the prostate as needed and take a bp med every day.
I also run cialis and Viagra for circulation. I give blood often.
I deal with it. I won't ever be the same but I have chosen this path.

All of these thing are risks that can be "limited" but not always avoided. We ALL know that. The longer your on and the bigger you run the more you increase risks (even if all precautions are taken).

Again..it's risk vs reward for each and every one of us!

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Steiner

I was shut down for a year after a test deca cycle. I think people don't actually realise the effect it will have on your life until you experience it.
It is not just an inability to get an erection but a total lack of interest in sex and women! Those girls that you almost spin your head off your shoulders to look at as they pass... forget that, you won't even have the desire to look at them, in fact you will lose that 'chick radar' completely.

You attention and memory will be shit, you will get mood swings, your muscles and joints will probably ache and forget sleeping.

Work will suffer as you lose your edge, that competitive alpha male thing that makes us successful... gone!

Even your personality will change considerably because for most men their libido is a major part of who they are.

When you walk through your city tomorrow and check out all those girls on the street, in shops, in offices, enjoy it because you won't even know they exist if you are shut down.

Being shut down is a lot more than your pecker being soft it will f**k your life up.

I will say that I think you will go ahead and do it anyway, you asked for advice and almost everyone has advised strongly against it but you find arguments to nullify any good advice you are getting but is is your life.

See in one hand I feel for guys like this but in other, guys like this piss me off, because they forget to tell the end of the tale, the part where they start taking regular Testosterone injections & maybe a BP med (to get the pecker peckering again) & BAM.............problem solved, all the negative sh!t he just spoke of.................GONE.............CURED.

Again I'm not trying to sway the decision of the OP, I just can't stand it when everyone acts like the potential down side of blasting & cruising cant be fixed. It's as simple as some Test & maybe some Cialis, that's it, problem solved.............

This isn't like a 20 year old kid fvcking up his Endo & never being able to fix / reverse it, there IS a cure for problems associated with low Test....................take some Test, & there are SEVERAL remedies for limp d!ck.

**Lunk1** · 12-15-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

See in one hand I feel for guys like this but in other, guys like this piss me off, because they forget to tell the end of the tale, the part where they start taking regular Testosterone injections & maybe a BP med (to get the pecker peckering again) & BAM.............problem solved, all the negative sh!t he just spoke of.................GONE.............CURED.

Again I'm not trying to sway the decision of the OP, I just can't stand it when everyone acts like the potential down side of blasting & cruising cant be fixed. It's as simple as some Test & maybe some Cialis, that's it, problem solved.............

This isn't like a 20 year old kid fvcking up his Endo & never being able to fix / reverse it, there IS a cure for problems associated with low Test....................take some Test, & there are SEVERAL remedies for limp d!ck.

I agree Bear that the post you just quoted is the sam BS day in, day out...but, even though the OP is not 20...he is only 24 and only from what I gather looking to improve his body to a point below genetic limits. Results I.m sure he could get without putting himself in a forced TRT position!

**Capebuffalo** · 12-15-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

All of these thing are risks that can be "limited" but not always avoided. We ALL know that. The longer your on and the bigger you run the more you increase risks (even if all precautions are taken).

Again..it's risk vs reward for each and every one of us!

You are absolutely correct. The thing to think about is people who have limited or no experience with aas making a decision to b and c. My feeling is unless you have experienced the good and bad can you make an informed decision on this. A blind decision is a stupid one.

**The Bear 79** · 12-15-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I agree Bear that the post you just quoted is the sam BS day in, day out...but, even though the OP is not 20...he is only 24 and only from what I gather looking to improve his body to a point below genetic limits. Results I.m sure he could get without putting himself in a forced TRT position!

Agreed.

**Perseverance1** · 12-15-2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

See in one hand I feel for guys like this but in other, guys like this piss me off, because they forget to tell the end of the tale, the part where they start taking regular Testosterone injections & maybe a BP med (to get the pecker peckering again) & BAM.............problem solved, all the negative sh!t he just spoke of.................GONE.............CURED.

Again I'm not trying to sway the decision of the OP, I just can't stand it when everyone acts like the potential down side of blasting & cruising cant be fixed. It's as simple as some Test & maybe some Cialis, that's it, problem solved.............

This isn't like a 20 year old kid fvcking up his Endo & never being able to fix / reverse it, there IS a cure for problems associated with low Test....................take some Test, & there are SEVERAL remedies for limp d!ck.

Yeah, I understand the story the guy tells about dealing with his low test for a full year....but something tells me when I show up to the company doc and say "my uncle is an MD who specializes in TRT and he said I am displaying ALL of the symptoms of a shut down system....could I run some blood work?" that they will figure out what I need (TRT) long before the 1 year mark.

Again, maybe I'm missing something due to ignorance, but it just seems like 1 year of agony isn't in the cards for someone who knows what the problem (shut down) is long before the problem even starts... I mean, IF I even decide to do this...I won't have to worry about shut down for a full 18 months...since I wouldn't start this cycle before a year from now.

Also, Lunk....you said if my body isn't producing natty test then no babies...right? Does this mean since I should be shut down from my 750mg of test e every week that I likely can't get girls pregnant right now? I'm not using HCG , and my balls have shrunk a little. Granted, I likely won't wear condoms anyway...but this would be a small piece of mind for me, just wondering.

Oh yeah, I definitely want to surpass my genetic limit. I obviously don't know exactly what that is but I've got a pretty decent idea. Right now my long term goal is to be around 245 (6'2-6'3) at 6% bf. this should be a little over my perceived genetic limit...but nothing crazy. I would also like to get there in 3 years, which I believe is plenty of time regardless of how I do it since im sitting at 212/14-15% bf now...and about to start a cut to drop some bf towards the end of this cycle.