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01-29-2013, 01:15 PM #1New Member
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test/tren/mast help
Age- 24
Weight- 198lbs
BF- 11% hydro (I can see my full 6 pack, calipers read 9%, handheld tester read 9%)
Training- 6.5 years
Goal- drop bodyfat while maintaining muscle mass, hopefully adding some aswell (3-4kg)
cycle:
WEEKS 1-8: 250MG TEST-E/TREN -E/MAST-E
WEEKS 1-10: 0.5MG PRAMI, 1.25MG LETRO
WEEKS 11+12: 50MG CLOMID, 40MG NOLVA
WEEKS 13+14:50MG CLOMID, 20MG NOLVA
Low dose, I react well to small doses, have done test before at 350mg x week with good results
Opting for shorter cycle + low doses to help with sides and easier recovery
First time using tren and mast, so that is another reason for the low dose
how does this cycle look? first time using prami and was wondering if everything (doses/timing) is g2g!
thanks!!
*EDIT- I have pubertal gyno and that's why I am using letro instead of adex, hopefully to reverse it along with prami. I have used letro before and it helped shrunk the gland but did nothing for the puffy nipples. This time around I hope to shrink the gland even further and the prami will hopefully help with the puffy nips which is a living nightmare...Last edited by faus1991; 01-29-2013 at 01:18 PM.
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01-29-2013, 01:18 PM #2
How many cycles do u have under ur belt
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01-29-2013, 01:24 PM #3New Member
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4 cycles,
1 anavar only (great results),
and a few runs with test-e at different doses (350mg and 500mg)
preferred the 350mg run since the gains where the same between the two but I bloated on 500mg
all of them have had proper pct
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01-29-2013, 01:29 PM #4
I have puffy nips from pubescent gyno myself... It sucks... Have u ever ran prami b4?
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01-29-2013, 01:31 PM #5New Member
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Nope, first time running prami, hopefully it works, I'll let you know... What do you think about my proposed cycle layout?
Thanks!
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01-29-2013, 01:41 PM #6
All bad. Do more research. You are only 21 and wanting to run long estered compounds for only 8 weeks.. Your whole layout is terrible.
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01-29-2013, 01:46 PM #7
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01-29-2013, 01:47 PM #8
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01-29-2013, 04:25 PM #12New Member
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I am 24. 1991 is the year my grandfather passed away.
Why would you say my layout is terrible?
Perhaps I am not looking for the size gain 10 or 12 weeks would provide, remember my main goal is dropping BF and achieving an even more hard/ripped look while hopefully reducing a little gyno.
I have done 8 week cycles of test-e only before, and had optimal results to say the least.
At 8 weeks it would be an ideal cutting phase while having anabolic support, keep in mind I am extremely happy with my physique and I am more in the maintaining/cutting mindset, I do not wish to be 230+ lbs or to step on stage.
My question was more concerning PCT, AI and Prami usage, and if those dosages are in check.
At these dosages I am bound to grow even while on a caloric deficit, which happened when I ran test 350mg wk.
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01-29-2013, 04:46 PM #13Originally Posted by faus1991
As far as your pct is concerned this is how I would run it. I don't like the sides from clomid, others may suggest to start with 100, it really is dependent on the individual and how clomid makes them feel.
25/50/50/50
20/40/40/40
If you ran your test lower than the tren I don't feel any need for an ai to be used unless you felt need to during cycle. I'm currently running Ace higher than my test and I have never felt better " On " cycle .. I suggest you do some more research before you start and really have a solid layout and more knowledge behind each of these AAS. Wish you the best of luck. Pm me if you have any other questions brotha
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01-29-2013, 04:54 PM #14
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01-29-2013, 07:56 PM #15
I never understand why ppl whith gyno want to wait until they cycle to treat the gyno...why not get the gyno taken care of before putting yourself at further risk???
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01-29-2013, 08:19 PM #16
I don think his gyno is the type related to steroids .. its from puberty and can not be reversed unless you have surgery... I only know this because I've had it...the surgery also.. depending on how bad I guess.. mine was man titty bad
The nipps will never settle as it is breast tissue not fatLast edited by largerthannormal; 01-29-2013 at 08:22 PM.
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01-29-2013, 08:26 PM #17
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01-29-2013, 08:41 PM #18
True true...
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01-29-2013, 08:57 PM #19Productive Member
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Bold. This is not true at all. If you plan on running 8 weeks, use short esters. These guys know what they are talking about. The only way you can get optimal results on 8 weeks of long esters is to run them high, or frontload. No matter how much AAS you run, size and strength come from diet and training, not the juice. You wont be anywhere near "stage ready", as you put if from any cycle if your diet isnt aimed at such results.
Too many people rely on AAS to do the majority of the work, which is a huge misconception. AAS only enhances what you are already doing. It doesnt miraculously make you big and strong. That part is on you. At your stats, 9% BF or 11 is good, and shows dedication (if done naturally, even more) as long as you arent a light weight. Consider using shorts if your only goingfor 8 weeks. I am not sure what you can expect for 250mgs of masteron , but 250 tren is a safe play. Your call, but the advice I have read seems on point.
And Lunks statement on the gyno is true. Dont wait til being "on" to try and fix it. That is something that would be best left to take care of when your hormones are normal. No reason to make it worse.
Last thing, if the 350mgs of test weekly worked as good as you said, why not just run that one again?
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I think it's too little gear also. It's also too short on enth esters. I'm about to run the same thing but Test A/Tren A/Mast P/Proviron /Tbol. You won't need the Prami (luckily, because it sucks) if you take the AI properly dosed. I'd definitely NOT do the letro if you want to get a hard on in the next few months. If you can't get there with Aromasin , doing only 250 mg of test AND Masteron then your AAS days are over...
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01-29-2013, 09:54 PM #21Productive Member
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Titan, why not Mast A, lol.
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01-30-2013, 05:46 PM #23New Member
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Thank You all for your responses, honestly.
I have taken advice from you guys to increase cycle length. As one of you pointed out I am using a blend which consist of (100mgtest-e,100mg tren -e,100mg mast) per mL. I have two vials, therefore 20mL of the aforementioned compounds. I will be pinning 2.5 ml of these per week (250mg of ea) along with .5ml of (test-e 250), so in total I am juicing 375mg of test-e, 250mg tren-e, 250mg mast-e for 8 weeks. Then weeks 9 and 10 I will be injecting 500mg of test-e. (since by then I will run out of the blend and just have some test-e left).
doses are divided into two injections, 1 wed afternoon, 1 sunday morning
PCT is as follows: 50/50/50/50 clomid, (might do 100 first week), and 40/40/20/20 nolva... letro/prami on hand might use a low dose throughout cycle
Cheers mate thank you all for the responses!
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01-30-2013, 06:37 PM #24Banned
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What a crock of sh!t..............even if this BS were true, I guess it's just a coincidence that 1991 was 21 years ago & your profile says you're 21.................I know I know............"I hit the 1 by accident" because it's sooooooooo fvcking close to the 4 right.
Damn I can't stand a liar............
Lying to gain the info you want / need is not the smartest thing you could do to yourself genius, maybe you should take a moment to think about what reason we would have to try to detour people under 25 from using AAS. When you lie here, you are only hurting yourself.
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01-30-2013, 06:42 PM #25Banned
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01-30-2013, 06:48 PM #26Banned
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01-30-2013, 06:54 PM #27New Member
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What the **** is your problem? You ****ing offensive prick, **** off... How in your right mind do you call someone out on such a sensitive topic as a relatives death?
What's the point on lying here if none of you guys know me, why would I give a ****?
I am not going to argue anymore on the subject, because I know how these "arguments" go....
Look into my profile it says I was born on the year 1992, and my username is year 1991? Something a little off? BTW I was born on January 2nd, 1989. Turned 24 a couple of weeks ago, (WHICH IS STILL UNDER 25) so why wouldn't I just say I'm 25?
I will disregard whatever you post, thank you for those who are giving answers,
Cheers!
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01-30-2013, 07:03 PM #28Banned
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Your profile says you were born in 1992....................ANOTHER coincidence right.
Truth is you crated your profile / account before you found out that we don't like to give cycle advice to anyone under 25..............so now you're lying to gain what you want..........
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01-30-2013, 08:00 PM #29New Member
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Dumbass, profile says I was born in 1992, nickname says I was born in 1991, maybe something is a little off no? Dumbass... Born in '89. Just to clarify, I will not reply to any other comment you post, and I do not like crowding the forums with useless back and forth nonsense, therefore, I am abstaining from posting anything unrelated to the OP.
Good night bud!
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01-30-2013, 08:12 PM #30Banned
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Yeah I'm the dumbass..............you're the one that put the info in the profile to make it read what it does, you told the system you were born in 1992, that's why it says that................it doesn't just randomly enter info, you entered that info & you're fvcking liar, & that fact that you're so adamantly defensive about proves you're a liar.
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01-30-2013, 08:45 PM #31
You're such a liar Bear. Lol
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01-30-2013, 08:57 PM #32Associate Member
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even if he is 21 or 24
he would still be under 25...
i think it would be meaningless for him to lie about his age we are all adults here
he has chosen to take steroids already, so lets forget the nonsense about him being too young,
hes only here asking for advice lets try to be civil about it
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01-31-2013, 09:56 AM #33New Member
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01-31-2013, 09:59 AM #34
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01-31-2013, 11:31 AM #35
if he says he is 24 then he is 24... Enough said
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