Whats the most time youve spent on?

[warmouth]

And I will add, I am training to compete in the worlds strongest man comps.

Will you let a select few of us know when you might compete?

[warmouth]

I read this line and a tear almost came to my eye:
"Well, my philosophy is: try to control Estrogen as best as possible without an AI. If the need for an AI arises, use it for Estrogen control rather than Estrogen elimination. Estrogen control is defined as keeping Estrogen levels as close as possible to normal physiological ranges."

I had no clue there were others with this level of common sense.

LOL! You and Atomini are the reason I do this. So funny. But the truth is, I think a lot of guys here feel the same way metalject. Not the guys who run high test doses for obvious reasons, but for us who like the trt or lower dose with a stronger compound used as the work horse. I feel 10x better on a trt dose with high deca , and I've not just been saying that. I love it!

[Turkish Juicer]

I agree with both of you but I do not believe an ai should be used blind. You should run labs and run your ai accordingly! So many people fail to run labs!

Agreed.

[Atomini]

I read this line and a tear almost came to my eye:
"Well, my philosophy is: try to control Estrogen as best as possible without an AI. If the need for an AI arises, use it for Estrogen control rather than Estrogen elimination. Estrogen control is defined as keeping Estrogen levels as close as possible to normal physiological ranges."

I had no clue there were others with this level of common sense.

LOL! You and Atomini are the reason I do this. So funny. But the truth is, I think a lot of guys here feel the same way metalject. Not the guys who run high test doses for obvious reasons, but for us who like the trt or lower dose with a stronger compound used as the work horse. I feel 10x better on a trt dose with high deca, and I've not just been saying that. I love it!

I believe that the majority of humans are too incapable of utilizing the incredible reasoning ability of the intelligent brains we have developed. It is like throwing a 7 year old at the weel of a Lamborghini Murcielago.

It isn't just with AAS, it is with EVERYTHING. The majority of human beings are still operating out of the neandrethal brain and are unable to properly harness their brain's ability to utilize rationale, logic, and reasoning. You see this with everything, where people will take extremes at either end of a particular spectrum of a subject. It just so happens that with AAS and the myriad of topics contained within, the same thing happens here too. Nobody realizes that there really is no such thing as black and white unless you MAKE IT THAT WAY BY GOING TO EXTREMES.

Estrogen?

Dihydrotestosterone?

Methyltrienolone ?

Draino?

Cyanide?

Are these things 'bad'? No. These things are just 'THINGS'. They are all chemical compounds (most/all of them organic compounds) that exhibit various effects in our bodies as well as outside of our bodies, and they do different things depending on the different manner in which they are used, and the situations and conditions they are used in. Nature doesn't classify things as bad or good. Black/white and bad/good are things that we humans have made up, they are labels we have placed on things that should really be clarified. Estrogen is bad only when its circulating blood plasma levels are too high or too low to the point where it causes problems. Same thing with Dihydrotestosterone. What about Methyltrienolone? Well, it's not 'bad' per se, but it just so happens that its risk:benefit ratio (also known as the lethal:effective dose ratio) happens to be very high, almost to the point where the dose required to gain a beneficial desirable effect seems to be just a bit too close to the lethal dose. Can it be done? Yeah, but you have to be extremely careful and go through your whole plan with a fine tooth comb. Is it as bad as cyanide? LOL, well, obiously cyanide's lethal:effective dose ratio is just so damn high it is impossible to be able to use cyanide 'in moderation', you'll kill yourself. DNP is related to cyanide (they both exhibit similar effects on the mitochondria of our cells) but it just so happens that DNP exhibits a far lower lethal:effective dose ratio than cyanide does.

Now, you tell me this.... is the average human being able to utilize their cognitive function to the ability of being able to discern the logic I have just outlined above?

No.

Like I said, the average human being is still operating out of the Neandrethal lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. Hence the average individual's rationale/logic/reasoning:

"NO!!!! THAT'S BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS BAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"YES!!!!!! THAT'S GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST HAVE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm just so surprised these people aren't also eating grubs off the side of rotten logs in the plasticine forests like the Cro Magnon people who lived twenty five thousand years ago. Sheesh.

[warmouth]

Lol!

[Metalject]

I believe that the majority of humans are too incapable of utilizing the incredible reasoning ability of the intelligent brains we have developed. It is like throwing a 7 year old at the weel of a Lamborghini Murcielago.

It isn't just with AAS, it is with EVERYTHING. The majority of human beings are still operating out of the neandrethal brain and are unable to properly harness their brain's ability to utilize rationale, logic, and reasoning. You see this with everything, where people will take extremes at either end of a particular spectrum of a subject. It just so happens that with AAS and the myriad of topics contained within, the same thing happens here too. Nobody realizes that there really is no such thing as black and white unless you MAKE IT THAT WAY BY GOING TO EXTREMES.

Estrogen?

Dihydrotestosterone?

Methyltrienolone ?

Draino?

Cyanide?

Are these things 'bad'? No. These things are just 'THINGS'. They are all chemical compounds (most/all of them organic compounds) that exhibit various effects in our bodies as well as outside of our bodies, and they do different things depending on the different manner in which they are used, and the situations and conditions they are used in. Nature doesn't classify things as bad or good. Black/white and bad/good are things that we humans have made up, they are labels we have placed on things that should really be clarified. Estrogen is bad only when its circulating blood plasma levels are too high or too low to the point where it causes problems. Same thing with Dihydrotestosterone. What about Methyltrienolone? Well, it's not 'bad' per se, but it just so happens that its risk:benefit ratio (also known as the lethal:effective dose ratio) happens to be very high, almost to the point where the dose required to gain a beneficial desirable effect seems to be just a bit too close to the lethal dose. Can it be done? Yeah, but you have to be extremely careful and go through your whole plan with a fine tooth comb. Is it as bad as cyanide? LOL, well, obiously cyanide's lethal:effective dose ratio is just so damn high it is impossible to be able to use cyanide 'in moderation', you'll kill yourself. DNP is related to cyanide (they both exhibit similar effects on the mitochondria of our cells) but it just so happens that DNP exhibits a far lower lethal:effective dose ratio than cyanide does.

Now, you tell me this.... is the average human being able to utilize their cognitive function to the ability of being able to discern the logic I have just outlined above?

No.

Like I said, the average human being is still operating out of the Neandrethal lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. Hence the average individual's rationale/logic/reasoning:

"NO!!!! THAT'S BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS BAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"YES!!!!!! THAT'S GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST HAVE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm just so surprised these people aren't also eating grubs off the side of rotten logs in the plasticine forests like the Cro Magnon people who lived twenty five thousand years ago. Sheesh.

Good points. I always laugh a little while simultaneously throwing up in my mouth when I hear people talk about how advanced we've become as a society, how our logic is superior to our ancestors. I hear someone make this statement and I know anything else they have to say probably won't be worth my time...yes, I realize I'm getting off topic a bit...arrest me. But we marvel at our technological advances but we fail to recognize that advances in technology have nothing to do with the advancement of common sense, critical thinking or simply acting like an un-moronic human being. Look at the arguments about society in the U.S. or much of the Western world. They're some of the oldest arguments of all time and while everything's been tried, there's nothing new under the sun we refuse to look at history and repeatedly make the same mistakes....yeah, we're an advanced society alright...laughable. And this is why steroids are viewed and discussed as they are today...it's all full circle.

[Atomini]

Good points. I always laugh a little while simultaneously throwing up in my mouth when I hear people talk about how advanced we've become as a society, how our logic is superior to our ancestors. I hear someone make this statement and I know anything else they have to say probably won't be worth my time...yes, I realize I'm getting off topic a bit...arrest me. But we marvel at our technological advances but we fail to recognize that advances in technology have nothing to do with the advancement of common sense, critical thinking or simply acting like an un-moronic human being. Look at the arguments about society in the U.S. or much of the Western world. They're some of the oldest arguments of all time and while everything's been tried, there's nothing new under the sun we refuse to look at history and repeatedly make the same mistakes....yeah, we're an advanced society alright...laughable. And this is why steroids are viewed and discussed as they are today...it's all full circle.

Oh god, please do not get me started, my friend!! LOL I don't want to derail/hijack this thread, but let me just quote my favorite comedian, George Carlin:

"We like to think we've evolved and advanced because we can build a computer, fly an airplane, travel underwater, we can write a sonnet, paint a painting, compose an opera. But you know something? We're barely out of the jungle on this planet. Barely out of the ****ing jungle. What we are, is semi-civilized beasts, with baseball caps and automatic weapons." - George Carlin

And I shall leave it at that... lol.

[poppz]

5 mo cycle ,deca 600mg ,,sus 750,,AIs,,pct,, dck was fcked up at end of and after cycle for a few months. fine now.

[BBJT200]

5 mo cycle ,deca 600mg ,,sus 750,,AIs,,pct,, dck was fcked up at end of and after cycle for a few months. fine now.

did you use any prolactin control?

[The Bear 79]

did you use any prolactin control?

AI's control prolactin too.

[BBJT200]

I was referring to his dick issues. clearly his prolactin was not under control?

[The Bear 79]

I was referring to his dick issues. clearly his prolactin was not under control?

I know what you were referring to, & its obviously not as clear as you may think. If AI's control both estrogen & prolactin then there should have been no ED due to estrogen or prolactin because he used an AI right?...............Unless............his dose was insufficient.

Or maybe it was a blood pressure issue.

Not quite so clear now eh.........

[BBJT200]

Blood pressure can control ED?

[The Bear 79]

High blood pressure is one of the leading causes of erectile dysfunction.

Have a look at the mechanism of drugs like Cialis & Viagra.

[warmouth]

High blood pressure is one of the leading causes of erectile dysfunction.

Have a look at the mechanism of drugs like Cialis & Viagra.

100% correct bear.

[Honkey_Kong]

Why 170mg of test during your cruise? What I mean is how did you come up with this number? Just curious.

170mg isn't much more than what my doctor prescribed for me (150mg). I've heard of people taking as much as 200mg per week of a long ester test for TRT purposes. I'm sure some people run even more.

And I will add, I am training to compete in the worlds strongest man comps.

You better not lose! We don't tolerate failure here (j/k) hahahaha Good luck though.

Hey Bear, do you ever run low-dose deca with your tren for joint help? Or do you find that to just be a waste?

[The Bear 79]

170mg isn't much more than what my doctor prescribed for me (150mg). I've heard of people taking as much as 200mg per week of a long ester test for TRT purposes. I'm sure some people run even more.



You better not lose! We don't tolerate failure here (j/k) hahahaha Good luck though.

Hey Bear, do you ever run low-dose deca with your tren for joint help? Or do you find that to just be a waste?

I have considered it, especially the last few months cause I've be having some pretty sharp pain in my elbows & my left shoulder.

[Metalject]

170mg isn't much more than what my doctor prescribed for me (150mg). I've heard of people taking as much as 200mg per week of a long ester test for TRT purposes. I'm sure some people run even more.

My TRT script has always been 200mg/wk for the last 3yrs. 200mg/wk is pretty common. I haven't known too many people that had a script above this amount, at least not for legitimate reasons.

[loki_is_a_god]

5 months and still rolling..

[Psaletta]

5 months and still rolling..

Blast and Cruz? Or just flat out cycling?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

It's a personal thing. Genes are genes, just like some guys are jacked after 6 months of training and some need 6 years. Same with cholesterol and BP. My cholesterol gets crappy pretty much on anything, even if doing cardio and dieting, eating clean etc. tHEN i know a pro wrestler who does tren 10 months out of the year and he SAYS his lipids are fine, and it may very well be true. You have to get that lipid test tho. Guys back in the day didnt, and the ones who couldn't handle the drugs never knew, and thats why theres dozens of old pros with heart disease, and pro wrestlers dead with heart attacks.(tho some of those deaths were pain med induced, tho probably compounded by premature atherosclerosis). And of course some guys just don't care. Take for instance mike matarazzo. He should have and maybe did know the effects of gear on lipids, but at 40 had clogged arteries(and kidney problems, on dialysis now). Theres no reason guys who work out all the time and eat chicken breasts all day should get heart disease at 40 instead of 70, but it's happening.
TRT...a man probably shouldnt need it till after 40...and there are a growing number of guys i see on here, and in my industry, who are in their late 20s and early 30s on trt. Some would flame these guys...saying that they are "screwing up their system for life" and unnescesarily comminting themselves to a needle in their ass every week....but...if TRT is such a blessing at 40+...why then would starting it 10-15 years earlier be a "grievious life mistake". It's not, it's a personal choice, depending on your needs. Now, if a 19 year old wanted to be on TRT for life, i'd probably flame them,lol,as at that age alota of these kids are making emotional decisions. And i know a couple who are that age and not smart about their cycling and if continued will need trt in their early 20s. To me, that's premature.

[jameshodge]

You have to be careful to not cycle too long because there really isn't any need to. It can affect the prostate too and so plan on taking prostate supplements like Super Beta Prostate supplement which is no scam. It contains beta-sitosterol which some of the best stuff for prostate issues.

[Honkey_Kong]

You have to be careful to not cycle too long because there really isn't any need to. It can affect the prostate too and so plan on taking prostate supplements like Super Beta Prostate supplement which is no scam. It contains beta-sitosterol which some of the best stuff for prostate issues.

Super Beta Prostate is a scam though. New Vitality (The company that makes that crap) is fronted by Roger W. Mason, who is a career criminal. You can see some of his doings on here http://www.ethicsabuse.com/rober-w-m...itentiary.html

[The Titan99]

You have to be careful to not cycle too long because there really isn't any need to. It can affect the prostate too and so plan on taking prostate supplements like Super Beta Prostate supplement which is no scam. It contains beta-sitosterol which some of the best stuff for prostate issues.

This is his first post...lol!! You don't by chance know where I might buy some Super Beta Prostate supplement do you? (Notice the caps).

[warmouth]

This is his first post...lol!! You don't by chance know where I might buy some Super Beta Prostate supplement do you? (Notice the caps).

Ha ha. Titan....

[t-dogg]

Blast = 8 to 10 weeks at 3,000 mg/wk of Test. + 2,000 mg/wk of Tren .

Cruise = 2 to 3 weeks at 170 mg/wk of Test.

LOL, you are indeed the bear from "Altered Beast"

[The Bear 79]

You have to be careful to not cycle too long because there really isn't any need to. It can affect the prostate too and so plan on taking prostate supplements like Super Beta Prostate supplement which is no scam. It contains beta-sitosterol which some of the best stuff for prostate issues.

This is his first post...lol!! You don't by chance know where I might buy some Super Beta Prostate supplement do you? (Notice the caps).

This guy is quick, they usually wait til they're at least 50 or 60 posts in before they go full throttle salesman..............it appears this gent arrived by way of cannon blast..............no time to waste...............he's about to hit the dirt face first.....................

[The Bear 79]

LOL, you are indeed the bear from "Altered Beast"

Steroid movie???

[marcus300]

And I will add, I am training to compete in the worlds strongest man comps.

Your training a strongman comps? that takes some work Bear

send us a pic of yourself lets see what you got?

[The Bear 79]

Your training a strongman comps? that takes some work Bear

send us a pic of yourself lets see what you got?

Yeah sorry, that's not gonna happen, I tried to post a pic of me through a method that I thought would maintain my anonymity but actually came really close to tearing my life apart, further solidifying my theory that posting pics in open or even through PM, is a sure way to fvck my whole world up. If you want details, I'll PM you, otherwise I'll just leave it as a simple NO...........sorry.

If I make the pro circuit, you all will see plenty of pics & videos of me.

[marcus300]

Yeah sorry, that's not gonna happen, I tried to post a pic of me through a method that I thought would maintain my anonymity but actually came really close to tearing my life apart, further solidifying my theory that posting pics in open or even through PM, is a sure way to fvck my whole world up. If you want details, I'll PM you, otherwise I'll just leave it as a simple NO...........sorry.

If I make the pro circuit, you all will see plenty of pics & videos of me.

Just send one through pm mate, dont worry I'll delete it

[The Bear 79]

Just send one through pm mate, dont worry I'll delete it

Not gonna happen Marcus..........sorry.

I know where you're going with this & that's fine with me, I don't care what anyone says or thinks, I have much more to lose than anyone here or anyone can even imagine. I completely understand the skepticism & accusations, humans are a cynical, competitive & jealous people by nature, & for that reason alone, nobody here can be trusted. Like I said, I tried to settle the skeptics through a method that turned out to be less than air tight & it almost ruined me............I will never post a pic again, not on the forum or PM.


I would expect someone of your stature to be a bit more understanding..............

[songdog]

I believe that the majority of humans are too incapable of utilizing the incredible reasoning ability of the intelligent brains we have developed. It is like throwing a 7 year old at the weel of a Lamborghini Murcielago.

It isn't just with AAS, it is with EVERYTHING. The majority of human beings are still operating out of the neandrethal brain and are unable to properly harness their brain's ability to utilize rationale, logic, and reasoning. You see this with everything, where people will take extremes at either end of a particular spectrum of a subject. It just so happens that with AAS and the myriad of topics contained within, the same thing happens here too. Nobody realizes that there really is no such thing as black and white unless you MAKE IT THAT WAY BY GOING TO EXTREMES.

Estrogen?

Dihydrotestosterone?

Methyltrienolone ?

Draino?

Cyanide?

Are these things 'bad'? No. These things are just 'THINGS'. They are all chemical compounds (most/all of them organic compounds) that exhibit various effects in our bodies as well as outside of our bodies, and they do different things depending on the different manner in which they are used, and the situations and conditions they are used in. Nature doesn't classify things as bad or good. Black/white and bad/good are things that we humans have made up, they are labels we have placed on things that should really be clarified. Estrogen is bad only when its circulating blood plasma levels are too high or too low to the point where it causes problems. Same thing with Dihydrotestosterone. What about Methyltrienolone? Well, it's not 'bad' per se, but it just so happens that its risk:benefit ratio (also known as the lethal:effective dose ratio) happens to be very high, almost to the point where the dose required to gain a beneficial desirable effect seems to be just a bit too close to the lethal dose. Can it be done? Yeah, but you have to be extremely careful and go through your whole plan with a fine tooth comb. Is it as bad as cyanide? LOL, well, obiously cyanide's lethal:effective dose ratio is just so damn high it is impossible to be able to use cyanide 'in moderation', you'll kill yourself. DNP is related to cyanide (they both exhibit similar effects on the mitochondria of our cells) but it just so happens that DNP exhibits a far lower lethal:effective dose ratio than cyanide does.

Now, you tell me this.... is the average human being able to utilize their cognitive function to the ability of being able to discern the logic I have just outlined above?

No.

Like I said, the average human being is still operating out of the Neandrethal lower brain. The reptilian brain. Fight or flight. Kill or be killed. Hence the average individual's rationale/logic/reasoning:

"NO!!!! THAT'S BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETS BAN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"YES!!!!!! THAT'S GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST HAVE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm just so surprised these people aren't also eating grubs off the side of rotten logs in the plasticine forests like the Cro Magnon people who lived twenty five thousand years ago. Sheesh.

The next time someone tells me people from Canada are dumb.I am going to slap them I love watching this guy go viral

[marcus300]

Not gonna happen Marcus..........sorry.

I know where you're going with this & that's fine with me, I don't care what anyone says or thinks, I have much more to lose than anyone here or anyone can even imagine. I completely understand the skepticism & accusations, humans are a cynical, competitive & jealous people by nature, & for that reason alone, nobody here can be trusted. Like I said, I tried to settle the skeptics through a method that turned out to be less than air tight & it almost ruined me............I will never post a pic again, not on the forum or PM.


I would expect someone of your stature to be a bit more understanding..............

Ive no idea what your going on about all I asked is post a pic,

trust me you can't imagine what ive got ot lose regarding my job

no problem if you wont hahah no probs

[The Bear 79]

Ive no idea what your going on about all I asked is post a pic,

trust me you can't imagine what ive got ot lose regarding my job

no problem if you wont hahah no probs

My intention was not to offend you big guy, I have nothing but the the utmost respect & admiration for such an accomplished & knowledgeable Gent., I've just been a bit more edgy lately...............sorry.

[marcus300]

My intention was not to offend you big guy, I have the the utmost respect for you, I've just been a bit more edgy lately...............sorry.

You didnt offend me mate, all ive asked is for you to send me a pic via pm seeing that your going for strongman you must be a big guy just wondered what you look like, if you dont want to send one or post one fair enough but doesnt put any weight to your claims to be honest but i'm not arsed one bit and ive no idea what you was going on about regarding before pics, ive not seen anything. Anyone can claim anything on the internet and on these forums many do, all I did was ask do it through pm its private and I can be trusted but if you dont want to then fine lol

[The Bear 79]

Understood.

[kawika]

I agree with both of you but I do not believe an ai should be used blind. You should run labs and run your ai accordingly! So many people fail to run labs!

Some of us don't have the means to run labs before, during, and after cycle. Be sure, I would if I could but the docs always give me strange looks when I ask for tests and sometimes, if there's no "reason" to test, the insurance won't cover it.

[The Bear 79]

It's only a little over $200.00 to for a full panel.................

[OnTheSauce]

Cost me 160 last time