Infection from Injection or bad Gear

**panntastic** · 03-04-2013, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

^^^ this... Ive felt a pain free prop "trial" batch as high as 250/mg, and his 200 was just the same. Not sure how he got it to hold but I was impressed

I have done personally 300mg/ml tren ace and test prop both pain free aswell

**largerthannormal** · 03-04-2013, 09:29 AM

Damn, that held at 300?

Originally Posted by panntastic

I have done personally 300mg/ml tren ace and test prop both pain free aswell

edited: nevermind i forgot i was talking to panntastic... lol

**panntastic** · 03-04-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

Damn, that held at 300?

edited: nevermind i forgot i was talking to panntastic... lol

Bear juice lol

**crazy mike** · 03-04-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

I know you've done this a thousand times mate but I'm assuming its not deep enough so the oil is sat at the top of the muscle
and as its the first jab of new gear it's going to have a very high ba content due to the high concentration of tests in the blend

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

My buddy is on test 500, I asked him if it hurt at all. He said; Nope, not any more than usual 250mg test.

If it is warm, it is an infection damn near 100%.

What UGL? Just for future reference.

Ok, First let me admit I think I'm beating a dead horse. I know about and have had infections so heat is a tell tale for me. I'm just grasping at straws to find that I don't have an infection due to the up & coming surgery next Monday. Don't want it to be postponed. Next If it crashed then my gear is OK so that's why all the Q's.

I did shake and warm and all that SOP for me so I'm just, "stupified" ( don't anyone touch that note you hear me !!) So thanks for all the input. I'll leave it and see what up this pm.

...still crazy mike

Oh as far as mg. With no blend involved I've done 600 mg @ 3cc of deca and 600 mg test cyp (pharm grade) in 3 cc at one time and mo problem. I'm verifying my blend...cm

**AnabolicDoc** · 03-04-2013, 10:39 AM

It's not always easy to tell the diffetence between an infection and and injection site irritation (especially when using prop or a blend containing it and particularly in individuals that are sensitive to prop). It sounds like you know all the markers of infection - swelling/edema/inflammation, pain, tenderness, warmth, and redness/erythema.

I, for instance, get a local reaction that mimics an infection when I use Test Prop, every time. The way I tell the difference is that my irritation seems to start to subside by day 3 or 4, whereas an infection will only get worse (in most cases) and the region will become tense from the edema and inflammation as MuscleInk pointed out. I think his advice was right on - that if not improving by day 4 see a doctor that day. You might even want to make an appointment in advance, otherwise you may end up having to go to urgent care or the ER. Although an urgent care facility might actually be the best place to go to as they can often get blood test results right away and help you avoid the hassles and waiting times of the ER. A blood test for white blood cell count should distinguish between the two (of course there are other blood tests that distinguish bw infection and irritation, such as procalcitonin, but WBCs is probably the most simple).

You also mentioned concern about they infection spreading to the blood (bacteremia). This is likely to take some time and only if not treated properly. Of course if you have diabetes and/or any condition that predisposes you to infection (such as peripheral vascular disease, an immune deficiency, are on immunosuppressive therapy, are elderly, etc.) Then you should seek medical attention asap and are at an increased risk of bacteremia and other complications.

Last thing, and I hope someone who knows better will weigh in on this, but injection site reactions seem to be less frequent with high concentrations of nandrolone decanoate than with testosterone . I only mention this bc you said that you didn't have a problem with highly concentrated Deca .

**crazy mike** · 03-04-2013, 10:43 AM

Ok. I got down to it. After much research I find out that this sh*t is a painful compound ans I shouldn't have done 1 cc. I might should of done 1/2 cc mixed with 1/2" cc deca . I have both on hand.
So here oit is for you who don't know :
SUPERTEST 450 mg/ml by Stealth Juice
Active ingredient: testosterone esthers blend (generic)
EACH ML OF SUPERTEST CONTAIN:
32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

So I've read that it's not worth it and I will agree. I do this sh*t to feel better. The metabolic use and the anabolic work and I don't need to suffer like this. I almost lost my sobriety last night, I tell you. My wife has a script of Oxy and if i go out like that you'll never hear from me again. It's gonna be a bitch when I have this operation. Glad to have my Prozac.
Thanks for all your help. I don't think I'm infected. It's the gear and the strength of the compounds. I only need a very, very small cruseing level for the next 4 weeks. I hope I have not wasted your time guys and acted like an a$$ and a newbie. My experience is from all pharm grade. ...crazy mike

**Soar** · 03-04-2013, 10:50 AM

Don't sweat it Mike, just keep an eye on it regardless. You're tough as nails leave the oxys for the wife haha

**panntastic** · 03-04-2013, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Ok. I got down to it. After much research I find out that this sh*t is a painful compound ans I shouldn't have done 1 cc. I might should of done 1/2 cc mixed with 1/2" cc deca . I have both on hand.
So here oit is for you who don't know :
SUPERTEST 450 mg/ml by Stealth Juice
Active ingredient: testosterone esthers blend (generic)
EACH ML OF SUPERTEST CONTAIN:
32 mg per ml of testosterone acetate
147 mg per ml of testosterone decanoate
73 mg per ml of testosterone propionate
73 mg per ml of testosterone phenylpropionate
125 mg per ml of testosterone cypionate

So I've read that it's not worth it and I will agree. I do this sh*t to feel better. The metabolic use and the anabolic work and I don't need to suffer like this. I almost lost my sobriety last night, I tell you. My wife has a script of Oxy and if i go out like that you'll never hear from me again. It's gonna be a bitch when I have this operation. Glad to have my Prozac.
Thanks for all your help. I don't think I'm infected. It's the gear and the strength of the compounds. I only need a very, very small cruseing level for the next 4 weeks. I hope I have not wasted your time guys and acted like an a$$ and a newbie. My experience is from all pharm grade. ...crazy mike

Why not cut it with oil by 50% down to a painless 225mg?

**crazy mike** · 03-04-2013, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

Why not cut it with oil by 50% down to a painless 225mg?

I will cut it with deca 200 that I have, next time. 200 mg test / 200 mg deca. That's approx .4 ml test and 1ml deca = 1.4 cc / ml total injection. The deca is smooth. If I had it to do all over again I would not go for this again. I'm going to try to just get some test cyp (smooth stuff for me) and finish it with that. I'm here to learn and thanks guys you've been a help and I appreciate not giving me sh*t. ...I'm not really stupid

.............crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 03-04-2013, 12:53 PM

Fvck it I'm going to have to go in and let them look at it. It is so bad. My wife see's no discoloration but see pocks and horizontal striations and I can feel them. I can't touch this fvcker at all. I will stop the guessing and go into the urgent care. Enough guessing, fvck I want a pain pill it hurts so fvckin bad. bla bla bla ......mike, right. no sympathy for the devil.

...cm

**panntastic** · 03-04-2013, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Fvck it I'm going to have to go in and let them look at it. It is so bad. My wife see's no discoloration but see pocks and horizontal striations and I can feel them. I can't touch this fvcker at all. I will stop the guessing and go into the urgent care. Enough guessing, fvck I want a pain pill it hurts so fvckin bad. bla bla bla ......mike, right. no sympathy for the devil.

...cm

Sorry to hear that mike hope all goes ok buddy

**Alinjr** · 03-04-2013, 01:11 PM

the 450 blend by stealth is some powerful stuff and gives myself some bad pip.
it's just how this blend is. i don't think you have an infection, but then again i am not a doc.
good luck, i wish you the best.

**crazy mike** · 03-04-2013, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Alinjr

the 450 blend by stealth is some powerful stuff and gives myself some bad pip.
it's just how this blend is. i don't think you have an infection, but then again i am not a doc.
good luck, i wish you the best.

Thanks, that's the info that sounds good. But I will close up now and g o to the care center ...c mike

**AnabolicDoc** · 03-04-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Fvck it I'm going to have to go in and let them look at it. It is so bad. My wife see's no discoloration but see pocks and horizontal striations and I can feel them. I can't touch this fvcker at all. I will stop the guessing and go into the urgent care. Enough guessing, fvck I want a pain pill it hurts so fvckin bad. bla bla bla ......mike, right. no sympathy for the devil.

...cm

Good luck! Keep us posted.

**Alinjr** · 03-04-2013, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Thanks, that's the info that sounds good. But I will close up now and g o to the care center ...c mike

hang in there and keep us updated.

**crazy mike** · 03-04-2013, 06:50 PM

Ok guys I'm back from the urgent care. Ha don't go to this one if you are real sick. You'll die there with all the dr practitioners. I and we knew more the they will ever know. My dad was a doc and I'e been around allot of doctoring, so to speak.
Anyway yep it might be infected, yep it is cellulitius and yep it hurts and yep it's hot and yep that usually is an infection and yep you might better get on some ani-biotics and yes it will take a few days. So what do ya think doc....."huh?" Hey Doc what do ya think , "well, hmm, it could be infected ? but it might not ?" Does it hurt allot ?"............wow, wow, what the ............be cool mike

yes doc it ****** hurts...DOCTOR !! So then..."well I'll give you some anti-biotics!!"
I'm home and it will go away soon I hope. I'm taking my medicine all kinds of my medicine. Just can't take pain medicine

Thanks for all the help. I learned allot about my gear and my rear. This forum had more info then anyone. ...crazy mike

**s.e.bowen** · 03-04-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Soar

Don't sweat it Mike, just keep an eye on it regardless. You're tough as nails leave the oxys for the wife haha

^^^agreed!
Don't listen to those oxy's, I know they have a way of talking to ya!
Not worth it! But you already know that.
You're in my prayers bro.

s.e.bowen

**thai007goy** · 03-04-2013, 08:39 PM

Glad that it seems to be going well for ya bro!

**canesfan804** · 03-04-2013, 09:05 PM

Damn CM I hope it clears up soon. And stay away from the oxy!!!

**< <Samson> >** · 03-04-2013, 09:19 PM

The oxys can catch you quick

Good luck for sure, keep us posted.

**snowblowjoe** · 03-04-2013, 11:35 PM

Let us know if your infection gets better or worse.. Could you take pictures? I've never had an infection

**crazy mike** · 03-05-2013, 08:40 AM

Hey, Good morning guys. First I want to say that I am awed by the nice gesture and thoughtful supports in your posts. I went to bed early I was feeling so bad last night. I took my antibiotics they gave me. As per my father (MD) would have me do (he passed) I front loaded the medicine (double). I fell much better this am !! It s still very tender ( it hurts) but I'm on my way back. Ha...only to go in for the hernia surgery Monday the 11th.
I stll don't know if it was the concentrate or an infection because the antibiotics should not work that quick. I hate to question any more and be looking a gift horse in the mouth, but it would be good to identify this for a reference. So I'll check it out more later. Gotta go to my arthritis doc this am and get my cortisone shots in my hands ( rheum) and Fvck the same hip for bursitis,. Don't know if I will get the one in the hip. Prob not. ouch !!
I can maybe get to the gym and do arms and a little chest for the last workout before surgery. Oh, guys , I'm going to take a photo to see where I'm at before surgery to see what I will loose. If it comes out ok and I'm not embarrassed I'll post it tonight. Don't quite know where to post it or if I should, but it will be to also see what progress I've made in the past six weeks.
Ending comment, I was just besides my self with the oxy tempt last night. I was moaning and scared, but thank God, my memory is good with remembering my last year and the last 6 weeks of my addiction and I knew I would be sicker yet and it would be my death sentence. I was good in not entertaining a dialog with the Satan. Should I , should I not ?? go there and he will take you right out. Thanks guys for all the support, I love this forum.

...crazy mike

**lovbyts** · 03-05-2013, 08:45 AM

Good to hear you are on the mend.
Damn you sound like me, far to many doctor visits. I'm trying to stay away but every time I go in they want me to schedule for something else. I think they like my insurance. lol

As far as your arthritis/aches and pains have you thought checking into TB500 It has helped me a lot.

**clarky.** · 03-05-2013, 09:11 AM

Hope you have a speedy recovery mate.

**crazy mike** · 03-07-2013, 07:03 AM

To finish this thread. Today one week has gone buy and it's just about gone, basically healed. Just minor soreness. So infect or concentration, I don't know since I'm on an anti-biotic. So I;'ll be diluting my next one (test 450) an we-ll see.
Thanks for caring ...crazy mike

**AnabolicDoc** · 03-07-2013, 07:46 AM

That's nice to hear.

You mentioned that you didn't think the sudden improvement when you started the antibiotic was due to the meds. But this often happens with cellulitis, especially when treated promptly (as in your case). Also having doubled your initial dose may have contributed to the quick response. By your description and response to antibiotics it sounds like it was infected but it's often so hard to distinguish bw infection and irritation when using high concentration AAS.

**crazy mike** · 03-07-2013, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

That's nice to hear.

You mentioned that you didn't think the sudden improvement when you started the antibiotic was due to the meds. But this often happens with cellulitis, especially when treated promptly (as in your case). Also having doubled your initial dose may have contributed to the quick response. By your description and response to antibiotics it sounds like it was infected but it's often so hard to distinguish bw infection and irritation when using high concentration AAS.

Agree 100% thanks for the input. ...cm

**XxAndreaxX** · 03-07-2013, 09:16 AM

Maybe it sounds stupid, but before I give the first shot of a new vial, I taste the gear, and even if it tastes legit, I only shoot 0,1-0,2 ml to see reaction.
Same thing with amps, even if its pharma, I’m getting used to the flavor of each thing I usually use.

**crazy mike** · 03-07-2013, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

Maybe it sounds stupid, but before I give the first shot of a new vial, I taste the gear, and even if it tastes legit, I only shoot 0,1-0,2 ml to see reaction.
Same thing with amps, even if its pharma, I’m getting used to the flavor of each thing I usually use.

Cool, never done that except in my other using ...cm

**crazy mike** · 03-07-2013, 07:19 PM

For the record. Today, Wed afternoon i pinned test 450 in 1/2 ml and deca 200 with 1 ml so that's a mix of 1-1/2 total cc and all is OK so far, However my pain started the next day the other time. So we will see what we will see. I was sterile, sterile for sure...cm

**MuscleInk** · 03-07-2013, 07:26 PM

Glad to hear it worked out. My cellulitis and large hematoma took a 12 days to heal but what a relief when it did. You only need one event like that to realize how important it is to maintain a sterile environment and follow careful I.M. injection procedures.

MI

**crazy mike** · 03-07-2013, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Glad to hear it worked out. My cellulitis and large hematoma took a 12 days to heal but what a relief when it did. You only need one event like that to realize how important it is to maintain a sterile environment and follow careful I.M. injection procedures.

MI

I got this late Muscle, but so true. I'm freaked out now. ha, don't get between me and my rubbing alcohol ya hear !!! ...crazy me

**GhostOfRome** · 03-08-2013, 01:08 PM

Hey mike I don't know if mine is similiars to yours or not but sometimes i'll just get a bad stick. I know it's not the gear because I shoot my quads and my right leg never hurts with the same gear, then 2 weeks in a row in my left quad it was badddd PIP. Hard to run and everything. Weirdest thing in the world. I changed it up and tried smaller needles and injecting slower and shaking my gear. So far its been helping. Hope all is well@