Any idea whats going on? Gdevine. Hrt studen, Kelkel. Mickey?

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 06:49 PM

Happened around christmas time, i woke up 1 morning with brainfog/ lerthagy. Feeling crap/depressed. Its been up and down since then, had blood work done. Everything seemed fine. At the time around xmas i was on 100mg prop/tren eod. and reaching my 10th week so yeah i was on a bit long. Ever since then ive been cruising on 250mg test a week. Always used liquidex from ar r at 0.25mg eod. ON my cruise im using 0.25mg tue and thu. Seems to be working. no issues with sex drive etc. Im yet to have everything in kels thread done as its a pain in the ass trying to get a doc that will do it. But im trying to have it done today at some point. A lot of the time i just dont feel good about anything tbh. And its shitting me up the ****in wall. It cant be due to test levels, as im on test atm and i know its legit. As its a very good branded UGL over here. Not on TRT but dont feel like coming off just yet. Anyway ive been told this cant be due to steroid related, the doctor put it down to cycagenic fatigue lol. with a bit of anxiety. I feel lerthagic during the day/ brain fog aswell. Can still think but feels like i have to dig thru all the fog in my head. Also as described in my other post i get a feeling of feeling drunk if i go out with a group of mates for dinner on a sat night and i havent even touched alcohol.

ive had

cortisol
liver
Tsh t3 t4
full blood count
iron
vit d
vit b12

etc. a few others to, everything came back in range besides VIT D.

biggest one is just feeling lerthagic/SHITTY during the day. Im starting to think sleep apnea as im now developing symptops of tonsilitas AGAIN had it around this time last year lol. But at least was feeling good this time last year. So please anyone shed some lights on what tests to get done. how do i fix this problem. Im wanting to start my deca /test cycle soon. Honestly just dont feel good about anything and i dont wanna lose friends/girlfiend over this. She is honestly the only reason im still here is cos shes working thru this with me. But what i dont understand is why this problem just hit me one day! Anyone shed some light?

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 06:52 PM

Ive also been eating at a cal defict for quite some time due to trying to compete but threw that idea out of the window. And wanna start eating at maintenance soon. So maybe thats screwing with my throid. Im not sure. was contemplating trying 25mcg T3 to see if i feel better/relieve brain fog.

I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING

from 5000ui vit d ED
1000mcg b12 ew
Magnesium,vitc and zinc
vit e. Vit b12

even nootropics like vinpocetine and noopept. WTF is going on. Really need to get over this.
Also one thing i noticed was. If someone gets angry at me, say has a go at me, 5 minutes later ill happily go up and have a normal conversation with them lol. Almost as if i cant hold grudges anymore. Yes may be a good thing but to me indicated something is very wrong as if someone was pissed at me i wouldnt just talk to them again straight away. Id try and work thru it.

**jomamma007** · 03-05-2013, 07:47 PM

could it just be that you are competing and have been in a caloric deficit for a sustained duration? I haven't heard of anyone who competes feeling good as they diet down to sub levels of body fat.

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by jomamma007

could it just be that you are competing and have been in a caloric deficit for a sustained duration? I haven't heard of anyone who competes feeling good as they diet down to sub levels of body fat.

well ive taken time off my diet and eating whatever/ not counting anything and still feel the same. Whenever i used to have a cheat day id feel so good now its like MEH still feel the same lol

**HRTstudent** · 03-05-2013, 07:55 PM

If it came on suddenly and you're on exotic drugs, it's hard not to point the finger at these recent changes. It might not be what you want to hear, but there is probably nothing more pertinent that could cause your body some disequilibrium such as high dose potent androgens and then, on top, trying to do all these stressful things necessary to prepare for competitive bodybuilding.

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

If it came on suddenly and you're on exotic drugs, it's hard not to point the finger at these recent changes. It might not be what you want to hear, but there is probably nothing more pertinent that could cause your body some disequilibrium such as high dose potent androgens and then, on top, trying to do all these stressful things necessary to prepare for competitive bodybuilding.

Yeah happened as soon as i hit my 10th week of tren a and test prop. But i stopped those around boxing day so the 26th. And since then havent been on any cycles, just cruising on test e giving the body a break. Still not feeling better .My doc said he highly doubts steroids could have caused this. Put it down to anxiety and fatigue lol. But im wanting to start a deca /test cycle soon for my lean bulk.

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 07:57 PM

Hrt student how come tho i havent gone back to normal after stopping those drugs? There short esters and i havent used them in over 2 months

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 08:02 PM

If i was to jump bak onto the exact same prop/tren lab? What do u think would happen. would i feel betteR? I know its hard to tell but ive also spent hundreds of hours browsing the forums and no one is complaining of any symptoms that ive had due to steroids . Its either

Sleep. So sleep apnea
Levels?

Especially thyroid or anxiety. or its all in there head.

**jomamma007** · 03-05-2013, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Time1

Hrt student how come tho i havent gone back to normal after stopping those drugs? There short esters and i havent used them in over 2 months

tren can wreak havoc on your body, 19-nor's don't mess around.

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by jomamma007

tren can wreak havoc on your body, 19-nor's don't mess around.

yeah i understand that. I know its a potent drug thats for sure. BUT i dont think thats whats causing the problem

blood tests have revelaed that everything seems fine. Well the things ive tested for

**Trific** · 03-05-2013, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Time1

yeah i understand that. I know its a potent drug thats for sure. BUT i dont think thats whats causing the problem

blood tests have revelaed that everything seems fine. Well the things ive tested for

How'd your spit in the water glass go?

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Trific

How'd your spit in the water glass go?

fkin forgot to do it! First thing in the morning will do it! have put a reminder up! But maybe that is what im facing. After eating a nectarine yesterday, maybe placebo effect but think the brain fog got worse! So maybe i do have a builup of fungus!

**Trific** · 03-05-2013, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Time1

fkin forgot to do it! First thing in the morning will do it! have put a reminder up! But maybe that is what im facing. After eating a nectarine yesterday, maybe placebo effect but think the brain fog got worse! So maybe i do have a builup of fungus!

Oh, it probably isn't the problem, but I quess something to consider...I didn't know you were on a cycle....

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Trific

Oh, it probably isn't the problem, but I quess something to consider...I didn't know you were on a cycle....

not on a cycle atm. Just CRUISING on testosterone .

Want to start a deca /test cycle soon tho

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 09:54 PM

bump

**kelkel** · 03-05-2013, 10:01 PM

Did I miss a pct or are you still cruising? My initial thought, without seeing the BW you've had, is that you may just need a break for a period of time and let your body find homeostasis. Your CNS can take a hit from what you've put yourself through and it very well may just need a rest.

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Did I miss a pct or are you still cruising? My initial thought, without seeing the BW you've had, is that you may just need a break for a period of time and let your body find homeostasis. Your CNS can take a hit from what you've put yourself through and it very well may just need a rest.

No pct, still cruising bro. I will try and have blood work done. Taking a break and just crusisong on 250mg test e a week. or this week only did 125mg.

Trying to restore myself hence why ive been cruising for a while. But wanting to run my next cycle soon. But if this is the cause of the way im feeling then i guess ill get off and run a heavy PCT.

**Time1** · 03-05-2013, 10:38 PM

Do you guys know of any blood tests that will actually tell me what im experiencing is deffinetly caused by steroids /my body NEEDS to restore to homeostasis.? How can utell?

i would like to go on and start my test/deca cycle but if this is whats causing how i feel then yes i believe its time to come off for a while!
So what do u guys suggest?

**Time1** · 03-06-2013, 01:48 AM

bump

**Time1** · 03-06-2013, 11:02 PM

bump again

**HRTstudent** · 03-07-2013, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Time1

Hrt student how come tho i havent gone back to normal after stopping those drugs? There short esters and i havent used them in over 2 months

8 weeks is really not that long of a time all things considered. If well being and quality of life is your goal then I really couldn't recommend anything other than TRT. Abusing various non-pharmaceutical androgens and mental well being just don't go well together. It's really your personal decision at this point as to whats most important. Sorry that I can't be of more help than this.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

8 weeks is really not that long of a time all things considered. If well being and quality of life is your goal then I really couldn't recommend anything other than TRT. Abusing various non-pharmaceutical androgens and mental well being just don't go well together. It's really your personal decision at this point as to whats most important. Sorry that I can't be of more help than this.

fark TRT. Trying to get that here is a pain in the arse. PLus my test levels show no signs of being low. Im still on test lol. No sex issues at ALL. Can still cum. Still growing bodyhair. Still got acne. Showing NO signs of low test. But i wanna start another blast soon. Thing is i probably should come off and do a PCT as i havent yet so ive been shutdown for quite some time. But i still believe i can recover quite well. I no the longer i abuse it the more chance of ending up on TRT will happen but i really wanna do this lean bulk cycle!

Im starting to think its Canditit. After going out before with the missus, having a chocolate fondu set and a fancy mint choc drink, started gettting signs of feeling drunk/ heavier brain fog etc. So im starting to point the finger towards the yeast buildup thanks to trific

But I DONT think what im experiencing could be caused by my steroid use . Especially since im still on test, so my body techincally hasnt CRASHED!

**chickenstirfry** · 03-07-2013, 02:30 PM

My guess is that most likely e2 related, your probably either too high or too low, or maybe your numbers are good but the Adex is making you feel this way....

OR you need to implement HCG to backfill hormonal pathways.

I'm having problems with e2 and the biggest issue is the brain fog. When you talked about not holding grudges I can kinda relate to that. When you crash e2 or it gets too low you become less emotional and more 'dry'. It's not a pleasant feeling for me. Perhaps it is actually a side effect of Adex as a drug in some people.

I'd say a full pct would probably be the best option for your mental wellbeing. I can also relate to not wanting to come off though so you need to get e2 labs. And possibly conisder switching to Aromasin .

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by chickenstirfry

My guess is that most likely e2 related, your probably either too high or too low, or maybe your numbers are good but the Adex is making you feel this way....

OR you need to implement HCG to backfill hormonal pathways.

I'm having problems with e2 and the biggest issue is the brain fog. When you talked about not holding grudges I can kinda relate to that. When you crash e2 or it gets too low you become less emotional and more 'dry'. It's not a pleasant feeling for me. Perhaps it is actually a side effect of Adex as a drug in some people.

I'd say a full pct would probably be the best option for your mental wellbeing. I can also relate to not wanting to come off though so you need to get e2 labs. And possibly conisder switching to Aromasin.

Hmmm strange thing is, ive was using the same armidex, the stuff from the site sponsoer/ar-r 8 OR SO Months prior to this condition happening at the same dosage of 0.25mg eod. So i dunno if it really is that. Could be tho, i guess bloods will tell.

PCT is probably the best option tho, but i will have blood work done and see. Yeah maybe aromisian is better to use!

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-07-2013, 05:48 PM

Kel gave you the best advise - your body prob just needs a break.

Just because your bw is okay doesn't mean that your high test or other androgen levels for an extended period of time aren't taking their toll.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Kel gave you the best advise - your body prob just needs a break.

Just because your bw is okay doesn't mean that your high test or other androgen levels for an extended period of time aren't taking their toll.

fair enough mate. Cheers. Suggest i get off a run PCT then?

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-07-2013, 05:58 PM

Yup.

Have you checked your bp or your lipid profile? Tren can really screw up your lipids and can take some time to fully recover.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Yup.

Have you checked your bp or your lipid profile? Tren can really screw up your lipids and can take some time to fully recover.

yep, blood pressure everytime i go to the chemist lol. Its perfect. Yup lipid profile is fine to.

damn just ordered my deca and test for my lean bulk. Am i gonna have to put it off? I dont exactly have everything atm for my PCT either as i just cruise in between my cycles. Have been for the last while.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-07-2013, 06:19 PM

I went through pretty much the exact same thing as you bud.

Was cruising in between cycles on 250mg - 300mg test and then all of a sudden started feeling like shlt.

BW was fine so couldn't see why I felt so terrible since I'd been running that consistently w/o issue.

I came off (not pct but lowered to a normal trt dose to put T and E in ref range) and within a few weeks felt a million times better.

If your body's telling you to take a break then do it.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

I went through pretty much the exact same thing as you bud.

Was cruising in between cycles on 250mg - 300mg test and then all of a sudden started feeling like shlt.

BW was fine so couldn't see why I felt so terrible since I'd been running that consistently w/o issue.

I came off (not pct but lowered to a normal trt dose to put T and E in ref range) and within a few weeks felt a million times better.

If your body's telling you to take a break then do it.

What did u lower ur test to? Maybe ill try the same, as i dont have any PCT stuff atm besides i think a bottle of clomid lol.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-07-2013, 06:41 PM

If you can recover your natural levels with pct then that's what I'd recommend.

You could have your pct meds in a few days from the board sponsor.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

If you can recover your natural levels with pct then that's what I'd recommend.

You could have your pct meds in a few days from the board sponsor.

what do u recommened? clomid,hcg and nolva?

what did u lower ur test down to btw?

**Lunk1** · 03-07-2013, 07:12 PM

I would first suspect E2 levels being off! Without BW it's like darts thrown at a dart board blind!

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 07:15 PM

lol wtf, why was this moved to this section!

Really E2? whenever i blast i use 0.25mg eod. When im cruising i figured id just do Mon/thu 0.25mg

Should i up to 0.5mg? or what? Yes need bloodwork but you guys in the us have it easy. Just order thru labcorp and its done

here in Aus we need a referal by a doc, and some of them make up bullshit about if he does this test he could lose his license, even tho ur willing to pay for it.

Also they take one look at you and say ur healthy, send u on ur way lol.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 07:15 PM

Also im not having any sexual dysfunction tho and i know A LOT of ppl complain about that first and E2 has a bit impact on that.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 07:29 PM

Does this sound like there to High or TO low LUNK1?

**Lunk1** · 03-07-2013, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Time1

lol wtf, why was this moved to this section!

Really E2? whenever i blast i use 0.25mg eod. When im cruising i figured id just do Mon/thu 0.25mg

Should i up to 0.5mg? or what? Yes need bloodwork but you guys in the us have it easy. Just order thru labcorp and its done

here in Aus we need a referal by a doc, and some of them make up bullshit about if he does this test he could lose his license, even tho ur willing to pay for it.

Also they take one look at you and say ur healthy, send u on ur way lol.

250mg EW is a rather high TRT dose..i would go back to an EOD protocol and see if there is a reaction!

**Lunk1** · 03-07-2013, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Time1

Does this sound like there to High or TO low LUNK1?

Are you experiencing any joint pain? Any BP issues? My E2 can be off and I still have a healthy libido...especially considering your pumping 250mg EW. My GUESS would be high E2 if anything!

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 07:34 PM

Yeah was 250ew. sometimse even 300 lol. .

my last shot was roughly 150mg as i run out of test and had a bit over half a ml left.

Nope no joint pain, and no BP issues, have checked my BP with the machine at the chemist and docs and seems fine. Ill check it again when i get a chance. After work i guess.

**Time1** · 03-07-2013, 07:35 PM

Sorta just feel like shit/lerthagic in general. Still have motivation to go out with mates and stuff but yeh. Also havent been to gym all week. Taking the week off but dont even feel motivated for it ffs!