Need some good advice from seasoned lifters

[OnTheSauce]

There's more to it than that and we already had a huge thread on this. But the bottom line is this.... if he has the training experience, genetics, and knowledge of what he is embarking then yes I will help them. This OP just wants to move past a plateau, so no Aas at his age. But his size and lifts are very strong, especially natty. He would already be a top 50 lifter in the nation at 198lb. Assuming his lifts are real and would count in a meet.

[Dougiefresh7707]

There's more to it than that and we already had a huge thread on this. But the bottom line is this.... if he has the training experience, genetics, and knowledge of what he is embarking then yes I will help them. This OP just wants to move past a plateau, so no Aas at his age. But his size and lifts are very strong, especially natty. He would already be a top 50 lifter in the nation at 198lb

I agree he is very strong with great stats, plateaus cane be overcome with a switch in diet and training without aas. I saw the thread also I don't agree with all of it. What I was trying to say mostly is anyone can post great days and say Im this that and the other but it might not be true 5'9 205 8% isn't unbelievable but some don't know bf% and so on, so I asked for a picture if the stats an pic don't match I continue from that point.

An to clear it up this isn't an argument I'm sure you know alot pat I just was explaining my side also .