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    Clean Bulk or possibly cutting cycle advice

    Hey guys, new to the forums but certainly not a newbie in the gym. I've been training for 12 years now, consistently. My nutrition and workouts are top notch. I don't need diet or workout advice, simply cycle advice. My cycle history is fairly mild, 4 cycles total in the entire 12 years, all fairly basic except for a recent one where I tried Tren Acetate (will never make that mistake again so please don't suggest it). I'm not looking for a quick fix, I'd rather spend more time to avoid any really harsh substances (I know I ****ed up that model by going with Tren Ace ).

    I'm 26 Years old, 5'10" tall, 200lbs and if I had to guess around 12-14% bodyfat

    I would like to be 21 Years old, 6'3", 250lbs and 5%... ok I'm joking...

    I would seriously like to be 5'10" tall, 210-220lbs and 8% bodyfat.

    Like I said I am in absolutely no rush, rather do a slow and steady build up. The journey's the fun part anyways right? But I'm not naive and I know I won't make these gains naturally no matter how well I train and how perfect my diet. I'm pretty much maxxed out naturally I believe. Might be able to get a few more pounds on me.

    I recently started up the Anabolic diet again. If you don't know what that is then I probably don't want your advice anyways so I'm not going to explain it . The anabolic diet is supposed to be a natural alternative for raising test levels and general cutting. So I'm not sure if I should run a cycle while doing it or abandon the diet, go back to a regular Carb based diet and hit the juice, saving the anabolic diet for a later date.

    I would like to stay at or below my current bodyfat for the duration of my workout life. I have no interest in the dirty bulking and then extreme cutting.

    So basically I'm looking for cycle suggestions, again, I want to keep the cycle fairly mild in terms of sides but I also want some decent results (I know I know)

    Thank you in advance for your help
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    Welcome. You're kind of like that commercial with the sour patch kids. One minute you're cool and the next you're kind of a dick with that stupid anabolic diet comment.

    Anyway, try a test/primo or test/mast cycle if you're looking for decent results with less sides.

    Good luck.
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    Yeah I've been mentally juggling between a few compounds, on that list is Test (most likely prop or Enanthate ), Masteron , anavar , primo, winny... Things along those lines. I wasn't trying to be a dick with the anabolic diet comment. I've just read a few posts where a lot of guys that don't know shit spout off like they're a god of the gym. Want someone knowledgeable, which you seem to be so I'll keep your options in mind for sure. Thank you

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    Hi Mate,

    What were your previous cycles?
    I'm getting myself in tune for a cycle similar to what you are asking. Cycle will be test Prop and Var or Winny - haven't decided just yet between the two.

    5 years ago I did a test p and winny cycle for 8 weeks, 150mg prop eod, 100mg winny eod. Went from 96kg 14% bf, to 104kg 12% bf. diet was thoroughly in check over the cycle as well.

    I'm sure some of the guys will plenty of experience can point u in the right direction, however that's my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Welcome. You're kind of like that commercial with the sour patch kids. One minute you're cool and the next you're kind of a dick with that stupid anabolic diet comment.

    Anyway, try a test/primo or test/mast cycle if you're looking for decent results with less sides.

    Good luck.
    Haha always love your comments. Spot on sir

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    Just stick to test my friend your body fat is calorie dependant
    You have a good base at around 14% body fat I would guesstimate!!

    12 weeks test e at 500mg per week

    With standard pct 2 weeks after last pin

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    IMO winny can be harsh and would go to 50mg per day max

    Var is expensive and 80mg per day is a sweet spot

    But for what you require test e will give you what you need!!

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    What I'm thinking right this moment is Test E at 500mg/week with either Var at 80mg/day or Mast (not sure of a good dose for mast). opinions?

    Thank you for the help btw. You guys are helping me narrow it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymity View Post
    What I'm thinking right this moment is Test E at 500mg/week with either Var at 80mg/day or Mast (not sure of a good dose for mast). opinions?

    Thank you for the help btw. You guys are helping me narrow it down.
    I'd run test e 500 for 12 weeks, Mast E 500 for 12 weeks, and 80mg of var for the 7 weeks that lead up to the day before PCT. Of course with AI and hCG on cycle.
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    Austin, for that cycle you just suggested, what AI would you suggest and at what dose? and what dose of HCG ?

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    armidex?

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    0.25mg of Arimidex every other day and 250iu hCG twice weekly on cycle.
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    Thank you... Yeah from what I've been looking into test e, masteron and var are probably the three compounds I'm gonna go with. Thank you everyone for the help

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    this is basically what i was looking for also. I knew you could bulk and actually cut bf at the same time but some people think im stupid....maybe i am...maybe im not...

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