how important is diet really??

[pawn master]

You can just look at my profile but I will be 35 in aug I am 6'4". NO OPIATES!

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

You can just look at my profile but I will be 35 in aug I am 6'4". NO OPIATES!

I hope you did not take my request for your stats as a negative issue ? I was trying to get at the point metabolisim and age are also a big factor when deciding what to eat and % of what macro ? I am not a Recreational drug abuser ! I was ran over by a truck and told I would never walk again without a granny walker and an O2 tank due to Trauma and punctured lung! I require this dosage of 60 mg a day just to get out of bed and walk ! If I am fortunate and my Ortho Dr. will script Deca I will be able to lower my dosage of 60 mg of Oxycodone a day and possible stop the useage !

I was not implying you used Opiates . Just the fact that has to be taken into consideration with my lower Matabolisim . I am doing OK cut almost 30 lbs in 8 mths an still not a bean pole ! I hope all is good with you and enjoy your youth your life can change in a matter of seconds !

[powerliftmike]

Toilet, you are making a counterargument to a point no one is arguing. I reiterate I am not arguing against whey protein per se. This concept is seeming to cause some confusion. All your points about biological value and eggs etc are not disputing what I said, because I never made any position to the contrary.

My position is that a highly processed and refined protein powder is vastly inferior to a more natural and direct source. And protein bars: have you read the label on some of these?? If you read some of my posts instead of just belittling everyone in this thread you would find I said DO eat whey protein from natural sources: cheese, cottage cheese, milk, greek yogurt, etc.

The "gram of protein is a gram of protein" point is mute. It is only what we can metabolize. Why dont we boil that down further to the atomic level: "since all food contains hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon it must all be the same". I am not arguing chemical makeup, although their is evidence to support during the manufacturing process of powders protein is partially destroyed, just as cooking change change things. But that is another subject.

Your body simply cannot absorb refined and processed foods as well--this goes for protein powder or white bread. I have experienced this first hand; My doctor has substantiated this, and common sense should allow us to arrive at this fact. Phytonutrient, mineral, vitamin, and other complex organic combinations only found in real food have been proven scientifically to better utilize macronutrients and absorption synergies. Otherwise we could just take a big "vitamin pill" in the morning and never eat real food like they do in ****ing star wars or some sci-fi shit.

[pawn master]

I hope you did not take my request for your stats as a negative issue ? I was trying to get at the point metabolisim and age are also a big factor when deciding what to eat and % of what macro ? I am not a Recreational drug abuser ! I was ran over by a truck and told I would never walk again without a granny walker and an O2 tank due to Trauma and punctured lung! I require this dosage of 60 mg a day just to get out of bed and walk ! If I am fortunate and my Ortho Dr. will script Deca I will be able to lower my dosage of 60 mg of Oxycodone a day and possible stop the useage !

I was not implying you used Opiates . Just the fact that has to be taken into consideration with my lower Matabolisim . I am doing OK cut almost 30 lbs in 8 mths an still not a bean pole ! I hope all is good with you and enjoy your youth your life can change in a matter of seconds !

I did not take it negative, myself I just look when I am wondering about other users. And I am dead set against using opiates so I put it in capitals to try and get my point across to other members and browsers on the site. I know guys who use percs and oxys and morph and mari jane because they are in pain from "training". When I was 6 I was hit by a car and was in Sick Kids Hospital for 10 months then home in a body cast for 7 more. Had 3 major ops before I was 12 and had pins, plates and screws in my left shin and knee till I was 12 has well. Was able to recover decently buy I am no NHL player because of this. Since then I have had to have 4 more major ops on other parts of my body which is why I turned to using AAS years ago. The later 4 ops had nothing to do with my car accident I have just lived a ruff and tumble life myself and have been prescribed everying under the sun and it just was not for me. I am always in some pain, I just deals with it and stay has positive has I can. I realize you had a bad turn and wish you the best of luck in your recovery. Some people abuse opiates some NEED them. This is why they were developed in the first place. But most I know do not really need them they just LIKE them.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I did not take it negative, myself I just look when I am wondering about other users. And I am dead set against using opiates so I put it in capitals to try and get my point across to other members and browsers on the site. I know guys who use percs and oxys and morph and mari jane because they are in pain from "training". When I was 6 I was hit by a car and was in Sick Kids Hospital for 10 months then home in a body cast for 7 more. Had 3 major ops before I was 12 and had pins, plates and screws in my left shin and knee till I was 12 has well. Was able to recover decently buy I am no NHL player because of this. Since then I have had to have 4 more major ops on other parts of my body which is why I turned to using AAS years ago. The later 4 ops had nothing to do with my car accident I have just lived a ruff and tumble life myself and have been prescribed everying under the sun and it just was not for me. I am always in some pain, I just deals with it and stay has positive has I can. I realize you had a bad turn and wish you the best of luck in your recovery. Some people abuse opiates some NEED them. This is why they were developed in the first place. But most I know do not really need them they just LIKE them.

I Really appericiate you taking time to explain that was above and beyond ! I just didn't want to offend ! No doubt you had issues similiar to what I had but your body was still growing and this fact alone helped you heal just like TRT and the use of HGH when we get older we are not throwing all those good chemicials around in our body like we did in the growing years

Imagine being 10 years older than you are now and the same accident happen I was as you stated in the Trauma center for 4 mths and rehab for another month and had operation all the way up until the end of 06 so I have come a long way for an old man that was told you will not walk withou a walker and an O2 tank . . . lol

[mattvdh]

Good point.. I stopped protein shakes years ago. To expensive and you can't replace real food

Yeah me too, after reading vince gironda's unleashing the wild physique and seeing how much emphasis he put on eggs I switched from powders to eggs. Eggs have the highest biological value of out any food, so that means it has the highest absorption rate. And they're so cheap too, like 2-3$ for a dozen, who can't afford that. And this may sound gross, but if you eat it raw you'll get a lot more of the nutrients in there. If you're scared of salmonella just boil your eggs for 30 seconds. And I'm not suggesting you drink it on its own, you make a smoothie with bananas or whatever. some will say don't eat the yolk, some will say eat the yolk. I say have a couple with the yolk for the micro's and fats which are good for hormones, but keep your macro ratios in mind as well, too much fat ain't good.

nutritiondata.self dot com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/111/2# look all those BCAA's and test bumping micro's like magnesium, zinc, vit D, and b6. it's like the most perfect bodybuilder food

Don't believe the weider hype about powders, they just want you to buy their shit. Cheese makers use to throw out the whey then some genius scientist realized that it had a protein content so they slapped a label on it and sold it to bodybuilders as the 'best' source of protein. its horse shit, they just make a killing off the shit because it costs dirt to manufacturer, so they market it to every corner of fitness. The top BB's are sponsored by these companies to support it so they push it down to the amateurs and general population. There's nothing in it but low grade protein derived from milk and aspartame. guys on BB.com think that whey is superior to milk somehow in terms of biological value--there are a lot of retards on that board.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I have been back into healthy living for about 9 mths and I am on a unique journey that has been Hell as far as TRT goes ! I abused juice in the 80 when there was not even an animial called PCT ; hard to believe but in the 80's not even an Internet Only Gym talk and the Under Ground Steroid Hand Book . . lol ; only Grow or Die and excess is best ! Lucky to be alive and had a full blown Gyno Gland removal which is sooooo painful !

My body composition is acceptable with me at 54 ! I am on a smart deit ! Being from the south tuff lol ! No fried foods and have been 0 dairy products until lately added cottege Cheese and Greek Yougart and they do add extra weight, no breads and no read meat unless 96% lean a budget issue for me I am 6 ft and 229 now and actually looking a little thin and arms not as big as I want but still low weight target is 205 to 210 and then put on solid lean meat on my old bones !

My goal is loose fat and gain muscle all at the same time rather tuff ! So I have lost from 260 + to where I am now and stil my arms are bigger than the average joe but that damn belly ! I have lost 3 pants sizes and dropped a shirt size ! IMO protein drinks sever a purpose for guys like me who seek protein and still want to loose large amount of fat ! IMO , I know even in small amounts 6 to 7 times a day solid food adds to my belly and protein shakes do not and I am gona say I get some benifit from the protein drinks and Every time I eat even 7 oz of tuna and a few other smal filler portions of food that belly pokes back out ! I can start my day with oats and Yougart and 4 egg whites and a 50 gram protein drink and due to it being the beginning of the day the belly pooch is gone even eating a small intake before next meal at mid day it is not poking out and that is what I am fighting ! Eating 6 or 7 times a day and w/o daily I am droping 4 to 5 lbs a mth and when I reach that right weight not sure what it will be but only a couple of flexrors barly showing right now I still have fat to loose ! It took 54 years to put it on there and I am pleased with the rate it is comming off !

Oh and cjc 1295 w/o DAC , GHRP 2 ( Damn that stuff makes me uncontrolably hungry , ) Semorlin and HGH Frag 176-191 , I see fat melting away and vascaularity showing big time along with keeping E2 low ?

Soo IMHO and no pro I feel the Whey Protein Shakes do have a place but I would be the 1st to say a lean young man of say 30 should be able to eat and train and need have less use for a Whey shake than me ? any advise is welcome and I have read a good bit in the diet section ! My Avatar actually look a little thin but 6 ft and 229 is OBESE according to the FDA ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

toilet ;6604847] It looks quite filling for only 300 cals! At the moment I have like no appetite so I'm sticking to calorie dense foods. I eat nearly a pound of oats a day now that Im back bulking. I just pour water on them and eat them straight. probably not the best idea...

and wow that should bring in a lot of money^

I am no pro but, IMHO & from my research, you will be amazed at the way cjc 1295 w/o DAC, GHRP 2 , Semerolin and HGH Frag 176 -191 will effect you , you will melt fat and taking into consideration you inject all 3, 3 times a day your appitite will go through the roof ! and loose fat at a rate that will shock you ! am pin, 1 hr pre w/o pin, and after w/o pin, this is the tuff one because you are so hungry if you work out a night you have to eat or it will keep you awake ? I have heard different views as to GHRP 2 & GHRP 6 ? I am going to try 2 vials of GHRP 6 and see if I have = fat loose ?

From old dude that could eat Big Macs in my 20's and not worry . . . . lol!