Tren Cycle Sides

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 08:42 AM

Hey guys, I'm about 4 weeks in to my Tren & Test cycle.... My gains are ridiculous, truly the first leaning bulk I have ever done... The sides I'm getting are: lethargy, just kind of slow feeling and slightly fatigued during workout.... I am sleeping like a baby, eating, no excessive sweating, great strength gains, no aggression... I have been keeping my estrogen in check.

Has anyone else had similar sides? If so, what did you do to combat it?

**GrimmReaper** · 07-15-2013, 08:44 AM

lucky you, I sweat real bad on tren and have insomnia. Tren is an awesome compound but it has sides for me.

**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 09:51 AM

Do you have bloodwork to prove your estrogen is in check? Sounds like that's what it is.
I sweat pretty bad on tren , always woke up with an imprint of my upper body of sweat on my sheets. Also, I never slept more than 4-5 hours. Any lethargy I had was purely lack of sleep, and in the gym was totally non existent.

Fixing gyno ATM, at 2.5mg of Letro a day... Talk about lethargic. Ill be going with Ralox if it happens again for sure

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 09:52 AM

Sides for me too. They are just different I guess... I don't know what to make of it. Maybe the tren flu? If that is even a real thing...

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

Do you have bloodwork to prove your estrogen is in check? Sounds like that's what it is.
I sweat pretty bad on tren , always woke up with an imprint of my upper body of sweat on my sheets. Also, I never slept more than 4-5 hours. Any lethargy I had was purely lack of sleep, and in the gym was totally non existent.

Fixing gyno ATM, at 2.5mg of Letro a day... Talk about lethargic. Ill be going with Ralox if it happens again for sure

I am getting bloodwork end of this week. But no signs of elevated E2 no higher blood pressure, acne, oiliness, nothing... Bloodwork always takes the guesswork out of it though.

**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

I am getting bloodwork end of this week. But no signs of elevated E2 no higher blood pressure, acne, oiliness, nothing... Bloodwork always takes the guesswork out of it though.

That's my best guess for you. Until then, it's a guessing game. I know I used the same adex at the same dose on a TRT level of test with my tren cycle and got gyno. Same as when I was using triple of just test but no gyno. The tren adds a different level of everything to worry about.
Have you used a 19-nor steroid before?

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

That's my best guess for you. Until then, it's a guessing game. I know I used the same adex at the same dose on a TRT level of test with my tren cycle and got gyno. Same as when I was using triple of just test but no gyno. The tren adds a different level of everything to worry about.
Have you used a 19-nor steroid before?

Yes deca

**tgunn** · 07-15-2013, 10:03 AM

Your lucky my friend! I had some harsh sides with tren ..
Extreme night sweats
Insomnia
Aggression (almost lost my job)
Lethargy
Felt tense and on edge all the time..
I played with my test/tren dosage quite a bit until it was under control.
I found that higher tren/lower tren was better for me.
Played with my Ai dosage as well until I found the sweet spot.
That was around week 6 though lol.. The results were awesome though! I'd do it again!

**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 10:05 AM

Hmmm. Well it's hard to say w/o bloods. Until that point just keep after it. Hope for the best, sorry I can't be of more help

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 10:06 AM

I appreciate the advice!

**Capebuffalo** · 07-15-2013, 10:14 AM

Climbing stairs and being out of breath at the top. Kills cardio.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Climbing stairs and being out of breath at the top. Kills cardio.

It is like if I sit down it is hard to get back up, and climbing stairs I am out of breath... I love the way it makes you look but I am almost to the point where I just want to be able to do cardio without dreading it! I usually love to go out for a hard run but know ill be lucky if I get a mile or 2 in.

**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 10:47 AM

Ya I forgot about the cardio death too! I always get mad shin pumps on cycle. Running was totally out of question with tren . Elliptical it is!

**tgunn** · 07-15-2013, 11:22 AM

Oh I forget about cardio! I could barely f my wife without damn near passing out! Sweat pouring like a faucet! Lol

**5x10** · 07-15-2013, 11:49 AM

Sides are in the blood
Interested to see what your cholesterol profile looks like

Good luck

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by 5x10

Sides are in the blood
Interested to see what your cholesterol profile looks like

Good luck

Yeah, I'm thinking to... I have to donate blood tomorrow. Do you think that will throw of bloodwork at the end of the week? Would it help?

**Buster Brown** · 07-15-2013, 11:57 AM

I only get a few solid hours sleep a night on tren . Cardio is still pretty good at 420 mgs. a week of tren A.

**5x10** · 07-15-2013, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

Yeah, I'm thinking to... I have to donate blood tomorrow. Do you think that will throw of bloodwork at the end of the week? Would it help?

not sure what it would do other than lower the volume of the blood you have?

Help what?

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 12:13 PM

RBC levels... I had to give blood anyways. I get bloodwork on Friday so.

**5x10** · 07-15-2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

RBC levels... I had to give blood anyways. I get bloodwork on Friday so.

I'm guessing it will
I know hrt docs have patients give blood if their rbc count is too high
Not sure if tren impacts it as much as test

I do know it hard on your cholesterol profile, saw it on my own blood work and on a guy in the gym(who abused it)

**GymHero** · 07-15-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

Hey guys, I'm about 4 weeks in to my Tren & Test cycle.... My gains are ridiculous, truly the first leaning bulk I have ever done... The sides I'm getting are: lethargy, just kind of slow feeling and slightly fatigued during workout.... I am sleeping like a baby, eating, no excessive sweating, great strength gains, no aggression... I have been keeping my estrogen in check.

Has anyone else had similar sides? If so, what did you do to combat it?

I had similar issues when i ran my test pretty high with tren. I now never run my test higher than tren or npp and feel GREAT! Only sides i get still are insomnia and nigh sweats and im horny allll day.

**Chx beach 79** · 07-15-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

I had similar issues when i ran my test pretty high with tren. I now never run my test higher than tren or npp and feel GREAT! Only sides i get still are insomnia and nigh sweats and im horny allll day.

Man good to know! I have started running my test higher... Good stuff much appreciated, I will take this into serious consideration! Thanks

**GymHero** · 07-15-2013, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Chx beach 79

Man good to know! I have started running my test higher... Good stuff much appreciated, I will take this into serious consideration! Thanks

let me know how it goes brotha! From my personal experience and others it seems this is the key to lowering harsh sides from 19 nors. Everyone is different tho