Not a discussion, a Question, do YOU aspirate or not ?

**clarky.** · 08-20-2013, 01:22 AM

I never used to until i joined here i have never drew blood but the last couple of pins in my last cycle just after i had finished bang really really hot could not breath properly and my heart was beating bad style and non stop coughing it all past in about 2-3 min and as i said i aspirate .

**Java Man** · 08-20-2013, 01:27 AM

I injected oil into a blood vessel once. Ever since that day I always aspirate . It was not pleasant. Got a shooting pain in my arm, then my chest got warm, heart started beating very fast and I got short of breath. I came very close to blacking out. That closing darkness at the periphery of your vision that closes in like a closing aperture. I thought I was having a heart attack or stroke. It made me cough, too. Sucked.

**PetrX** · 08-20-2013, 02:38 AM

I've never done it.. and I inject twice a week due to that i'm on TRT.. I use a 25 G 1/2 in needle on my delts since I hardly have any fat.. Been doing this for 1.5 years now and have never had a problem

**JinNtonic** · 08-20-2013, 03:49 AM

I used to. Then i had a couple year break from cycles and i forgot all about it. I still dont.

**Capebuffalo** · 08-20-2013, 05:47 AM

I would be more concerned pinning slin IM. Really seems that you would not want that going straight into the bloodstream.

**austinite** · 08-20-2013, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

I would be more concerned pinning slin IM. Really seems that you would not want that going straight into the bloodstream.

It's not uncommon to be administered IV.

**Capebuffalo** · 08-20-2013, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

It's not uncommon to be administered IV.

By a doctor. Not your average recreational user. And by recreational I mean bodybuilder. Lol

**austinite** · 08-20-2013, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

By a doctor. Not your average recreational user. And by recreational I mean bodybuilder. Lol

Wait.............. you're not a doctor?

**Capebuffalo** · 08-20-2013, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Wait.............. you're not a doctor?

No but I used to play one.

**austinite** · 08-20-2013, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

No but I used to play one.

Ah, yes, I remember that TV show

**Capebuffalo** · 08-20-2013, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Ah, yes, I remember that TV show

But the Spice channel cancelled it after 4 episodes.

**ironbeck** · 08-20-2013, 08:32 AM

When I'm injecting into the main inj muscles no, but if I was to inj into a less familiar and smaller muscle area yes. My wife is a nurse and she says they don't, kinda suppossed to, but they dont.

**ottomaddox** · 08-20-2013, 09:17 AM

By the way, I only shoot in the quads, never done it anywhere else.

**kloter1** · 08-20-2013, 10:18 AM

every single time! I learned everything that i needed from AR and thats what all Vets recommended..

**mikey hulk** · 08-20-2013, 10:25 AM

Always
Only takes 30seconds of my life

**kelkel** · 08-20-2013, 10:43 AM

Hit a vein once = you'll aspirate forever.

**Capebuffalo** · 08-20-2013, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Hit a vein once = you'll aspirate forever.

Where in the hell do YOU pin that you won't hit a vein? Lol

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

Oops ****ing phone! Anyway hit vein 3 ml barrel full 1ml 200tes cyp 1 ml 200 deca I ml tren a100 once don'tkmowchiw much but wow instant cough, nasty taste in mouth, dropped to one knee head rush, instant hot flash that lasted about 10 mins then up and headed to gym! Wicked but not deadly for me, I've nicked several in all these yrs never any thing but blood squiring out and getting on your new rug !hahaha still I care not to aspirate. All the injections I've done vs the number of nicks and even that big whack stick not needed.

Now that's more of what it would be like. Since I'm an old IV user I know very well about the taste in your mouth. Can't and no need to go into that but, you hit it square and you will taste it.

...crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 01:24 PM

Ok guys I just came in at 3:00 pm today and I see many more testimonies. I'm glad to see this. Thanks to all that chimed in.
Since I don't aspirate and profess not needed I wanted to get to all the facts. I learned some things such as the possible puss pockets.

That's what this forums is all about. We learn from each other and we separate the myth's from the reality.

I believe now some of the newbies and the Vets will feel better that when they get PIP or something that makes them feel a little sick, they don't have to go on worrying for days if they are going to have life long difficulties or damages from , whatever they feel.

I think we can see now that reality of danger and worry is in having an infection or not. We know something about infections and if you have one it is usually VERY apparent, with the intense pain level, hot to touch, possible fever and the like.

But from what I can tell no one who has maybe hit a vein and injected has suffered gross and on going problems. So I hope this thread helps the newbie in being more confident that they have a choice as to aspirating or not... and if not or if they do and follow thru hitting a vein that the probability of injecting your entire load or dying or suffering long term is not likely. I think I'm safe with this conclusion.

Aspirate if you will, but most importantly follow a sterile protocol be affirmative with follow thru and have confidence you will be ok PIP or not. ...crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 01:41 PM

^^^ ...cm

**Cuz** · 08-20-2013, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I do every time with OIL suspended compounds but rarely with WATER based compounds.

FACT: most IV/IM/SQ treatments in clinic are administered in a water based vehicle, not oil.
FACT: Drs. and nurses are trained and experienced in SQ/IV/IM administrations and know how to properly administer therapies - although there are some MDs I wouldn't let near me with a needle (lol)
FACT: recreational (drug) users are largely inexperienced (initially) and run a greater risk of injecting into a vessel or overloading a capillary and causing a hematoma. Heck, many don't even know their muscle anatomy!!!!!

The puss that some users describe upon aspiration is most commonly a cold pocket abscess where gear/oil previously injected into that area was not properly absorbed and formed a cold/pocketed abscess. Often people aren't even aware they have a cold/pocketed abscess because the infection remains trapped within the pocketed region.

Originally Posted by Hazard

Aka - sterile abscess. It's not actually a bacterial infection from a needle. That's why some don't even know they have it. Now imagine breaking the abscess and injecting more oil it in. No thanks

Could you guys tell me if its anything to worry about, Not hijacking the thread here cm just curious if its ok to ask them about these hidden "sterile abscesses". pretty sure I have one in my left glute as it is light pink in color, around 3-4 inches around and feeling warm and numb to the touch. I also feel sort of a pocket there, like its just fluid. It is painful also and the pain has spread up into my lower back area. The pip in my right glute was gone after 3 days, its been 5 days for the left one and im concerned. I very rarely inject in left, never really ran over 1 shot a week. Should I stop injecting in the left glute or what? Again, not trying to hijack if I am then ill start thread thanks.

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

Could you guys tell me if its anything to worry about, Not hijacking the thread here cm just curious if its ok to ask them about these hidden "sterile abscesses". pretty sure I have one in my left glute as it is light pink in color, around 3-4 inches around and feeling warm and numb to the touch. I also feel sort of a pocket there, like its just fluid. It is painful also and the pain has spread up into my lower back area. The pip in my right glute was gone after 3 days, its been 5 days for the left one and im concerned. I very rarely inject in left, never really ran over 1 shot a week. Should I stop injecting in the left glute or what? Again, not trying to hijack if I am then ill start thread thanks.

I think you will get more attention, Quicker if you just start your own thread asking your specific Q's. I think that you need an answer and I want to see you get one and I want to hear it. SO start one so we can get all this in one thread...OK ! NO problem though...crazy mike

**MuscleInk** · 08-20-2013, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Aka - sterile abscess. It's not actually a bacterial infection from a needle. That's why some don't even know they have it. Now imagine breaking the abscess and injecting more oil it in. No thanks

Correct! It's more an absorption issue than active infection.

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Correct! It's more an absorption issue than active infection.

Thanks always for your input man. ...cm

**MuscleInk** · 08-20-2013, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Where have you been. Damn I was hoping you would chime in whether I was right or wrong. Thank you. Ok I am a big boy and will say I learned about the puss pocket thing. Cool I just couldn't figure that one out.
With all being said I will take the advice as last what Aust~ said and hazard. For me I just have never and that's that. The thing is for me, I know how to IV better than I should and I have never had am IM problem. I have an acute touch for what I do to me. Maybe I could, ... oops...but I would like to think I would know I'm in a vein before I dropped 1 or 2 cc's in that vein. I'm pretty methodical with it.
Thanks for the thread guys. really thanks. ...crazy mike

Hey CM!!! Great thread. My position on aspirating is as follows. For inexperienced anabolic users administering injectable compounds, aspirating is a must. It takes nearly 300ml of air injected into a vessel to create an air embolism. It takes 1/100th of that to create an oil embolism (i.e. 3ml in a small to moderate sized vessel could create an embolic event). With more experienced users (and this begs the question: what defines an experienced user? - I'd suggest at least two years of use with injectables) comfortable with proper injection techniques, aspirating is certainly an individual choice. I wouldn't recommend novice users omit aspiration of the needle.

I have years of IM/IV/SQ training - I've even drawn blood from the carotid several times (that's a crazy experience!) and yet, I still feel comfortable aspirating my gear than not. I've used various forms of anabolics for 4 years and have probably perforated a vessel 3 or 4 times - enough to remind me that "safe" is better than "sorry".

**Jayprice** · 08-20-2013, 02:32 PM

Sometimes I do sometimes I don't.

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 02:58 PM

Thanks so much for your input. I think you know I have the utmost respect for what you say.

This turned out to be a better thread than I expected. I wish you didn't wait so long. But I think no matter what anyone decides at least now we have many testimonies out on the table. I will now be lighter on what I profess and maybe advise they do aspirate .

But now a least there won't be just so much fear and anxiety when people just have a little PIP. The only time I had a questionable problem was when I injected 1-1/2cc of a high concentration of a blend. This particular UGL has some wicked sh!t. I ended up having to mix 1/2 cc with 1 cc of some smooth Deca . I don't believe in the blends myself.

So I just hope the thread helped calm people down to reality, and limit any real horror stories to being embellished. ...crazy mike

**kelkel** · 08-20-2013, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Where in the hell do YOU pin that you won't hit a vein? Lol

Not quads that's for sure. Glutes are worrying me too as they're getting veins. Make it stop.

**Capebuffalo** · 08-20-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Not quads that's for sure. Glutes are worrying me too as they're getting veins. Make it stop.

You are a freak of nature. Your ass is veiny ? Really. Holy hell man.

Being slightly veiny I appreciate the veins.

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My cialis reload comes and I'm coming for ya Kelkel.

**Sathane** · 08-20-2013, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I've never NOT aspirated.....

I don't see why not to doit. It takes 2 seconds and doesn't hurt anything. I've read posts of guys who have had puss and fluids go back in the syringe. I wouldn't want to inject in that.....

Okay. Just checking here but I think I know the answer.

If you aspirate and pull blood it's okay to repin somewhere else and inject, right?

If you pull puss, or some other nasty shit, you toss that syringe and use another one? Or do you still use it?

**APM** · 08-20-2013, 09:22 PM

I began using AAS in 2005... I did not know much about aspirating back then. But now a days, I do it every time. I've pulled blood on a few different occasions, even pulled puss/blood once (that was strange), had blood squirt out from my glute onto the floor twice...and I always change the needle if I need to re pin....it's been a learning experience for sure.. I'm a believer in "better safe than sorry" mentality. Ive had friends literally ask me what asperating is and Ive gone as far as actually pinning for them and showing them how to do it, what to look for, and what to do if you do draw blood.... Although I will say dong it one handed is a bit tricky at first you just have to take your time and not be affraid... It really is a quick, simple, effective step to possibly save you a few extra days worth of pain, or worse yet, a trip to the doctor... Great thread CM...

**VzThunder** · 08-20-2013, 09:27 PM

This thread has been interesting, I think I'll aspirate just to eliminate any potential problems, even if it does nothing I'd rather not risk it.

**crazy mike** · 08-20-2013, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sathane

Okay. Just checking here but I think I know the answer.

If you aspirate and pull blood it's okay to repin somewhere else and inject, right?

If you pull puss, or some other nasty shit, you toss that syringe and use another one? Or do you still use it?

Yes ( in bold) if you aspirate and draw blood pull out and you can just re-pin. It is your body and a second has gone by and you can just pin another spot. You can change the needle (if you want) so you have a sharp needle but IMOP you could infect the tip of the syringe when changing needles. The less you handle it the better.

Underlined, If you draw puss you should not re-inject the puss. ...crazy mike