Test/Deca

**Emerald** · 10-07-2013, 01:13 AM

Mmmmm a lot of wisdom from an experienced group of intelligent and caring humans, refreshing for sure. But, here's the thing, young guy loveforthegame has made it abundantly clear he's not interested in your combined advise and will proceed with or without some help. So, if part of what you do here is mitigate self harm through foolish mistakes then someone needs to see the bigger picture here. Accept that many of us men young and old have already made our choice and it may have been very long and difficult for him. Stubborn learn for myself regardless of who says what mentality, sound familiar? I say answer the mans questions, with respect to all, peace

**ppwc1985** · 10-07-2013, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

I agree completely I believe if I would've found this site I would've never ran aas at such a young age and just trained hard. But I do not think I'm completely shut down like you but I just don't feel like I did before that ignorant cycle I ran. I'm currently waiting on bw results I'm hoping they come in tomorrow

we'll make sure you post them up here and see what the guys think. If their bad that is, but I hope their good. Good luck mega

**Megalodon6** · 10-07-2013, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

we'll make sure you post them up here and see what the guys think. If their bad that is, but I hope their good. Good luck mega

Thanks man I hope their good as well, but I'll definitely be posting em

**austinite** · 10-07-2013, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Emerald

Mmmmm a lot of wisdom from an experienced group of intelligent and caring humans, refreshing for sure. But, here's the thing, young guy loveforthegame has made it abundantly clear he's not interested in your combined advise and will proceed with or without some help. So, if part of what you do here is mitigate self harm through foolish mistakes then someone needs to see the bigger picture here. Accept that many of us men young and old have already made our choice and it may have been very long and difficult for him. Stubborn learn for myself regardless of who says what mentality, sound familiar? I say answer the mans questions, with respect to all, peace

Again, the info was provided with links to threads with incredible attention to detail. If he refuses to read the advice provided in these threads, then there no hope. And really, no one is forced to be here, and no one is getting paid and/or obligated to help anyone.

Advice has been given. Objecting opinions have been heard and responses have been made. At this stage, if anyone is unhappy, you may want to consider this link...

**MuscleInk** · 10-07-2013, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Emerald

Mmmmm a lot of wisdom from an experienced group of intelligent and caring humans, refreshing for sure. But, here's the thing, young guy loveforthegame has made it abundantly clear he's not interested in your combined advise and will proceed with or without some help. So, if part of what you do here is mitigate self harm through foolish mistakes then someone needs to see the bigger picture here. Accept that many of us men young and old have already made our choice and it may have been very long and difficult for him. Stubborn learn for myself regardless of who says what mentality, sound familiar? I say answer the mans questions, with respect to all, peace

This point has been made time and time again. Just because someone wants to do something foolish doesn't mean we are compelled to condone that action. As I have said many times in response to these types of arguments, if you came to my clinic seeking drugs that I felt we're not in your best interest physically or mentally and could do more harm than good, I simply would not entertain your request. Sure, you may go elsewhere and find someone who will provide you (metaphorically speaking, not you Emerald) with what you want but that doesn't presuppose my obligation to support, endorse, condone, or assist someone with an action that professionally and morally I am opposed to.

If one of my own kids came to me with the same argument, I would no sooner support or encourage any behavior that was counter to my moral compass or what I believed was in the interest of his/her health.

I realize this is often not the words someone wants to hear when they think they are ready for steroids , but life isn't always about getting what you want when you want and if some of these guys are too stubborn to acknowledge that, they will eventually find someone who will give them what they want. I won't condemn those who chose to help and I expect others to equally respect my preference to abstain from advising someone on choices that I believe are premature and not in their best interest. I may be criticized for deciding what is right or wrong for an individual other than myself. So be it. I'd rather live with that criticism than have to live with the knowledge that I encouraged someone to do something that was quite possibly hurtful.

**Rida5d** · 10-07-2013, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Again, the info was provided with links to threads with incredible attention to detail. If he refuses to read the advice provided in these threads, then there no hope. And really, no one is forced to be here, and no one is getting paid and/or obligated to help anyone.

Advice has been given. Objecting opinions have been heard and responses have been made. At this stage, if anyone is unhappy, you may want to consider this link...

curiousity killed the cat..
i clicked on the damn thing and found myself logged out

u got me Aus ..
u will pay for this

**chester101** · 10-07-2013, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Again, the info was provided with links to threads with incredible attention to detail. If he refuses to read the advice provided in these threads, then there no hope. And really, no one is forced to be here, and no one is getting paid and/or obligated to help anyone.

Advice has been given. Objecting opinions have been heard and responses have been made. At this stage, if anyone is unhappy, you may want to consider this link...

Direct as ever austinite

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**Emerald** · 10-07-2013, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

This point has been made time and time again. Just because someone wants to do something foolish doesn't mean we are compelled to condone that action. As I have said many times in response to these types of arguments, if you came to my clinic seeking drugs that I felt we're not in your best interest physically or mentally and could do more harm than good, I simply would not entertain your request. Sure, you may go elsewhere and find someone who will provide you (metaphorically speaking, not you Emerald) with what you want but that doesn't presuppose my obligation to support, endorse, condone, or assist someone with an action that professionally and morally I am opposed to.

If one of my own kids came to me with the same argument, I would no sooner support or encourage any behavior that was counter to my moral compass or what I believed was in the interest of his/her health.

I realize this is often not the words someone wants to hear when they think they are ready for steroids, but life isn't always about getting what you want when you want and if some of these guys are too stubborn to acknowledge that, they will eventually find someone who will give them what they want. I won't condemn those who chose to help and I expect others to equally respect my preference to abstain from advising someone on choices that I believe are premature and not in their best interest. I may be criticized for deciding what is right or wrong for an individual other than myself. So be it. I'd rather live with that criticism than have to live with the knowledge that I encouraged someone to do something that was quite possibly hurtful.

Fair enough. Good points made. I'm not condoning his actions, just being a realist. My son is 28, Id try everything to prevent him from using roids, but if he was going to do it regardless Id be there to minimize harm. Sometimes that tough love model ends in the death or serious injury of a loved one. Just one voice here trying to say some have to learn by their own mistakes regardless of how valid the compelling evidence against their decision is.

**MuscleInk** · 10-07-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Emerald

Fair enough. Good points made. I'm not condoning his actions, just being a realist. My son is 28, Id try everything to prevent him from using roids, but if he was going to do it regardless Id be there to minimize harm. Sometimes that tough love model ends in the death or serious injury of a loved one. Just one voice here trying to say some have to learn by their own mistakes regardless of how valid the compelling evidence against their decision is.

Understandable. I would take the same approach with my own son.

I'm not opposed to helping those who are willing to listen. The hardest minds to change are the guys who believe their first cycle should be some crazy stack or insane doses and aren't willing to reconsider a milder cycle for their first run.

**Love4thegame** · 10-08-2013, 01:46 AM

Sorry wasn't following the topic anymore. I appreciate the very valid and very good opinions of the knowledgable people on this forum but yes l most certainly will go forward with it but I am willing to take all precautions and do everything I need to do to get my cycle as right as I can. I appreciate the link austinite, gathered some great information out of it but also missing a little bit as in referral to my exact needs with test/deca , I have been doing research on other sites but it is very hard to get the exact information you want on a particular cycle for a particular person. Emerald I'm glad you understand so well.. Now as for hCG .. I know quite a few people that have done numerous cycles without hCG ranging from 18 to 30 years of age without any bad sides?

**Love4thegame** · 10-08-2013, 02:31 AM

I am starting to believe that I should not run deca in my first injectable cycle.. I mainly wanted the deca to maintain my injury concerns when I cycle. My shoulders are good now but my concerns are that they will play up when I get going.. This is what my current layout would be like.
Weeks 1-10 test Mondays and Thursdays at 250mg each.
Weeks 1-12 arimidex at .25 each day
Weeks 12-16 nolvadex at 40/40/20/20

Do you guys have any thoughts on the deca? Any other feedback on the proposal would be great. Thanks

**Red Bastard** · 10-08-2013, 10:15 AM

Well, I have some advice for you, that has nothing to do with age.

Going into a cycle with rotator cuff issues is a BAD idea, and I speak from experience. The heavier loads, rapid muscle growth, and increased workouts will almost certainly exacerbate the problem, and may set you back further then where you started. Deca will not help you're tendons. You're confusing it's temporary joint lubricating effect.
Focus on getting that shoulder healed properly. It takes a frustratingly long time, but trust me, the pay off, for the rest of your life, will be well worth it!

Rotator cuff issues, when not the result of a traumatic injury, are usually about muscle imbalances. The shoulder is a very complex, and fragile structure, with very little tolerance for slight imbalances. Relative overdevelopment of pecs, and anterior deltoid are common causes, and rookie BB mistakes. Spend your time researching how to correct those imbalances, and rehab the tendon. Then, when you're truly ready to cycle, you can really give er, and reap the benefits!

**Love4thegame** · 10-08-2013, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Red Bastard

Well, I have some advice for you, that has nothing to do with age.

Going into a cycle with rotator cuff issues is a BAD idea, and I speak from experience. The heavier loads, rapid muscle growth, and increased workouts will almost certainly exacerbate the problem, and may set you back further then where you started. Deca will not help you're tendons. You're confusing it's temporary joint lubricating effect.
Focus on getting that shoulder healed properly. It takes a frustratingly long time, but trust me, the pay off, for the rest of your life, will be well worth it!

Rotator cuff issues, when not the result of a traumatic injury, are usually about muscle imbalances. The shoulder is a very complex, and fragile structure, with very little tolerance for slight imbalances. Relative overdevelopment of pecs, and anterior deltoid are common causes, and rookie BB mistakes. Spend your time researching how to correct those imbalances, and rehab the tendon. Then, when you're truly ready to cycle, you can really give er, and reap the benefits!

Hey thanks for the advice, yeah I've got my rotator firing perfectly at the moment. It's more just the fear of it coming back to haunt me when I cycle again and deca was the precaution I was looking to take to maybe lubricate the joints and save them from getting inflamed or playing up again. And as for how I originally got the cuff problem it was when I first starting going to the gym and did poor form on the bench trying to be superman.