Test/Deca

**Love4thegame** · 10-06-2013, 03:51 AM

Hey guys just have a 10 week cycle planned of test & deca . I am thinking 500 mg test 250 mg deca (a fairly low dosage of this if my understanding is correct which would suit my experience) and .25 arimidex each day to stop bloat and also have nolva on hand for afterwards. I have done one cycle before which was dianabol , I ate well and gained well with it and now I'm looking to step into this. The questions have are; does the deca run for 10 weeks with test or do I need to run the test a few weeks longer? How long after the end of my cycle until I begin my PCT? Does arimidex and nolvadex work well with the test/deca cycle? Anything else some experienced users could help with will be appreciated.

Also about me. I'm 21 (22 in under 2 weeks) been in the gym for about 3 years (on and off) was struck with pneamonia at the start of this year and was forced out of the gym for 6 months so my stats don't quite represent myself. Currently 190 pounds, 6'1. Also for the last year had a niggling left rotator cuff injury which I fix then slowly returns so really hoping the deca could help out there with the inflammation that may come.

In advance thanks for helping out I know you will probably get these questions a lot and I have done research but answers differ depending on the person.

**John Andrew** · 10-06-2013, 05:24 AM

You are 21, Read everything here about the young and steroids . Change your plan.`Train like hell eat like a horse and in 5 years you will look the way you want to. It a guarentee! Regards John

**Love4thegame** · 10-06-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by John Andrew

You are 21, Read everything here about the young and steroids. Change your plan.`Train like hell eat like a horse and in 5 years you will look the way you want to. It a guarentee! Regards John

Thanks for the advice john. But could somebody please give some constructive advice on the questions I have asked?

**austinite** · 10-06-2013, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Thanks got the advice john. But could somebody please give some constructive advice on the questions I have asked?

That was the most constructive advice you'll get. Read this: The young and Steroids

Be patient, and learn to accept criticism.

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2013, 03:52 PM

Not many folks here are going to endorse steroids at your age. Most will recommend waiting until 25 when it's much more likely your endocrine system (HTPA specifically) has finished developing. Shutting down your HTPA with steroids before it has finished developing could lead to long term issues you likely haven't made yourself aware of.

**Rida5d** · 10-06-2013, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Thanks got the advice john. But could somebody please give some constructive advice on the questions I have asked?

Yes sure .. Here you go

You are 21, Read everything here about the young and steroids . Change your plan.`Train like hell eat like a horse and in 5 years you will look the way you want to. It a guarentee! Regards

sorry for quoting john

**ironbeck** · 10-06-2013, 04:07 PM

Tough crowd...lol

**t-dogg** · 10-06-2013, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Thanks for the advice john. But could somebody please give some constructive advice on the questions I have asked?

Constructive or tell you what you want to hear?

Just saying what's been said is good. Unless your going pro in something, why risk it really?

**fit2bOld** · 10-06-2013, 04:17 PM

You need to do about 4 years of research and post the proposed cycle again. The new proposal should include a proper PCT, as "some nolva for after" is not a proper PCT. Arimadex is to control estrogen not just bloat so again more research is needed.

**Love4thegame** · 10-06-2013, 06:38 PM

Sorry guys was unaware that this forum had an age limit of 25 or older, I was not requesting life advice simply the answers to my questions, so while I am only 22 it seems I am wise enough to not be so arrogant as to comment on other peoples life choices.

**Love4thegame** · 10-06-2013, 06:42 PM

Now if there is anyone out there that would like to give some simple advice that I'm looking for on the above questions it would be greatly appreciated.

**austinite** · 10-06-2013, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Sorry guys was unaware that this forum had an age limit of 25 or older, I was not requesting life advice simply the answers to my questions, so while I am only 22 it seems I am wise enough to not be so arrogant as to comment on other peoples life choices.

Well, that's where you're wrong. We certainly allow anyone over 18. Don't let the domain name fool you, we are far more than just a steroid forum.

Now, as far as your life choices... you are correct, those are for you to decide. That being said, you are surrounded by members who are advocates for men and womens health, and they would be doing you a disservice by advising you to cycle. The only advice is to wait until you're fully developed, that's the healthy way. Our way of life.

Now you understand our life choice and why we make every attempt to protect you from harm, regardless of how irresponsible you wish to be. So, you do not like how we lead our lives and we don't like how you wish to lead yours. That means, we agree to disagree, and that ends the frustrations.

Best of luck to you.

**ppwc1985** · 10-06-2013, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Sorry guys was unaware that this forum had an age limit of 25 or older, I was not requesting life advice simply the answers to my questions, so while I am only 22 it seems I am wise enough to not be so arrogant as to comment on other peoples life choices.

here at steroids .com we believe in one thing, the SAFE use of steroids and using steroids when your system is not fully developed is the same as playing Russian roulette. Your system may recover, but it may not. We don't believe it is safe for someone below 24-25 to use safely so we can't advise you on a correct safe cycle because there is none.

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Sorry guys was unaware that this forum had an age limit of 25 or older, I was not requesting life advice simply the answers to my questions, so while I am only 22 it seems I am wise enough to not be so arrogant as to comment on other peoples life choices.

Not sure if call it life advise, rather information to keep you safe. There are plenty of threads on here from guys who didn't listen and then came in pleading for help from our vets to fix a lot of physical problems.

Ultimately the choice is yours. Steroids have been around longer than you've been alive and they aren't going anywhere soon. Most guys are simply advising you on how to stay safe but you are free to proceed how you see fit. Just be aware of the real dangers and not dismissive. We don't want anyone hurt by ignorance or impetuousness. Many guys won't give you the advice you want because they understand the risks and disapprove of guys cycling before they have finished developing naturally.

We aren't here to force your hand. The choice and ownership of your actions is always yours.

Stay safe, whatever you decide.

**ppwc1985** · 10-06-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Well, that's where you're wrong. We certainly allow anyone over 18. Don't let the domain name fool you, we are far more than just a steroid forum. Now, as far as your life choices... you are correct, those are for you to decide. That being said, you are surrounded by members who are advocates for men and womens health, and they would be doing you a disservice by advising you to cycle. The only advice is to wait until you're fully developed, that's the healthy way. Our way of life. Now you understand our life choice and why we make every attempt to protect you from harm, regardless of how irresponsible you wish to be. So, you do not like how we lead our lives and we don't like how you wish to lead yours. That means, we agree to disagree, and that ends the frustrations. Best of luck to you.

Great reply!!

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2013, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

here at steroids.com we believe in one thing, the SAFE use of steroids and using steroids when your system is not fully developed is the same as playing Russian roulette. Your system may recover, but it may not. We don't believe it is safe for someone below 24-25 to use safely so we can't advise you on a correct safe cycle because there is none.

I guess we still have work to do to overcome the stereotype that everyone on here is an ignorant juice head. Lol

**Love4thegame** · 10-06-2013, 06:57 PM

No I don't disagree with the way anyone lives their life . If anyone on here feels any kind of moral obligation to look after my health that is directly their own problem for they are not morals and as a human being I have the right to have whatever morals I choose. As "health advocates" the best thing you could do for my health (that you all care about so much) is answer the questions that I have asked. Not makes decisions for me and take away my right to know useful health advice just because of my age.

**ppwc1985** · 10-06-2013, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I guess we still have work to do to overcome the stereotype that everyone on here is an ignorant juice head. Lol

I guess MI. There are a lot of sites out here that will just tell these guys everything they want to hear with no regard for their health. I'm a proud member of a community where ppl are strong enough to stick to their guns. ( and no I'm not talking about an actual gun, roflmao)

**austinite** · 10-06-2013, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

No I don't disagree with the way anyone lives their life . If anyone on here feels any kind of moral obligation to look after my health that is directly their own problem for they are not morals and as a human being I have the right to have whatever morals I choose. As "health advocates" the best thing you could do for my health (that you all care about so much) is answer the questions that I have asked. Not makes decisions for me and take away my right to know useful health advice just because of my age.

What you want to do is not healthy. The only good advice is to avoid this.

You may have stumbled into the wrong forum. There's a difference between Good advice and what you'd like to hear.

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

No I don't disagree with the way anyone lives their life . If anyone on here feels any kind of moral obligation to look after my health that is directly their own problem for they are not morals and as a human being I have the right to have whatever morals I choose. As "health advocates" the best thing you could do for my health (that you all care about so much) is answer the questions that I have asked. Not makes decisions for me and take away my right to know useful health advice just because of my age.

So....if someone wants to do something that is harmful or hurtful, you're saying we should endorse that bad behavior????

**Love4thegame** · 10-06-2013, 07:15 PM

Iv cycled before and I'm cycling again, So lets get this straight you all actually believe that is safer for my health to not provide me with the advice I need and let me do my next cycle without the info I want/need, than to help a brother out and do it correctly?

**MuscleInk** · 10-06-2013, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Iv cycled before and I'm cycling again, So lets get this straight you all actually believe that is safer for my health to not provide me with the advice I need and let me do my next cycle without the info I want/need, than to help a brother out and do it correctly?

I'm not going to encourage you to endanger your health. It's nothing personal. If you came to my clinic asking me to prescribe drugs that weren't in the best interest of your health, my answer would be the same.

I'd be more than happy to help with other inquiries or when you are at an age I feel it's safer and more appropriate. I'm sorry that's not what you want to hear and I hope you'll stay safe regardless of your choices.

**AlphaMike** · 10-06-2013, 07:35 PM

Looks like you'll probly go through with it, so at least do yourself a favor and research it yourself, here in older posts, so as to do as little damage as possible. You aren't going to get the answers that you want here because, well they already said it better than me 10 times...Good Luck

**austinite** · 10-06-2013, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Love4thegame

Iv cycled before and I'm cycling again, So lets get this straight you all actually believe that is safer for my health to not provide me with the advice I need and let me do my next cycle without the info I want/need, than to help a brother out and do it correctly?

Stop saying things like doing it correctly, there is no correct way of doing it at your age. Only irresponsible and nonsensical way. You should have more respect for your body.

Look. The forum is packed with info, research it. Your initial proposal is out of whack. So you need to treat your cycle as a first cycle, and all the advice and info you need is in this following thread...

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Good luck. Now you got your advice.

**rod214** · 10-06-2013, 10:14 PM

Wasn't Casey Viator only 19 when he had 20'' arms ?

**austinite** · 10-06-2013, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by rod214

Wasn't Casey Viator only 19 when he had 20'' arms in ?

So what? Please start your own thread in the lounge for random questions.

**rod214** · 10-06-2013, 10:31 PM

I shouldn't have put it as a question , I was responding to the responses to the original posters question . I joined this site because I was looking for answers to legitimate questions not old school answers like they used to give , don't do it , you're to young , when they were doing it all along and just didn't want anyone else to have an advantage . As a new member I thought this forum would have answered his question without being lazy and say to search !

**austinite** · 10-06-2013, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by rod214

I shouldn't have put it as a question , I was responding to the responses to the original posters question . I joined this site because I was looking for answers to legitimate questions not old school answers like they used to give , don't do it , you're to young , when they were doing it all along and just didn't want anyone else to have an advantage . As a new member I thought this forum would have answered his question without being lazy and say to search !

Back then? What is back then? In the 70's? They know nothing of what we know now. Lazy?? Have you even seen the sticky threads? We've already done all the legwork for you, all you have to do is read. We've spent 1000's of hours compiling information and carefully detailed it in layman's terms so that everyone, with any educational background can understand.

So who's lazy?

**chester101** · 10-06-2013, 10:53 PM

Wow..... and I thought I was a tad touchy. I'm twice your age buddy and still no nothing, these guys are only looking out for you.... they get nothing out of this, except peace of mind that they've lead people along the correct path!
Its obvious your going to do it anyway, so be safe, read the stickies, read similar posts and get your pct in order... but read this site.
The best bit is, if and when you do f**k yourself up....... the guys here will do their best to help you!
None of us like to be told no/your wrong but dont burn your bridges.
Good luck buddy.

**Megalodon6** · 10-06-2013, 10:53 PM

Dude you need to listen to them I cycled twice once at 18 and again at 21 first one went fine second one not so much its been a year and I'm still battling side effects! I wish I would've found this board before I ran either one of those stupid cycles.

These guys aren't just telling you this for no reason plz listen to them everyone is only looking out for you. I hope you listen!!

**Megalodon6** · 10-06-2013, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by chester101

Wow..... and I thought I was a tad touchy. I'm twice your age buddy and still no nothing, these guys are only looking out for you.... they get nothing out of this, except peace of mind that they've lead people along the correct path!
Its obvious your going to do it anyway, so be safe, read the stickies, read similar posts and get your pct in order... but read this site.
The best bit is, if and when you do f**k yourself up....... the guys here will do their best to help you!
None of us like to be told no/your wrong but dont burn your bridges.
Good luck buddy.

Posted at the same chester! Sawsome sawsome

**chester101** · 10-07-2013, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Megalodon6

Dude you need to listen to them I cycled twice once at 18 and again at 21 first one went fine second one not so much its been a year and I'm still battling side effects! I wish I would've found this board before I ran either one of those stupid cycles.

These guys aren't just telling you this for no reason plz listen to them everyone is only looking out for you. I hope you listen!!

I got on my high horse when I heard stuff I didnt want to hear, its a man thing!! But sat back, thought about it, and know these are good guys!

**Megalodon6** · 10-07-2013, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by chester101

I got on my high horse when I heard stuff I didnt want to hear, its a man thing!! But sat back, thought about it, and know these are good guys!

True true. Sure hope this guy listens to the advice given

**ppwc1985** · 10-07-2013, 12:17 AM

The thing everyone needs to understand is there are guys here who cycled young and with one cycle screwed themselves up for the rest of their lives. There are even guys to include myself that cycled when we was young and was on but than cycled when they were older and screwed themselves up. After 20 years I did one cycle and never came back from it so I'm now having to put a needle in me 4 times a week for the rest of my life just to have a normal life. I learned late that's why I try to make young and old guys who cycle the first time to do it safely with proper AI and a Proper pct. My thing was I didn't use hcg on cycle and believe this is why I did not come back. Good luck to op and anyone else.

**Megalodon6** · 10-07-2013, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

The thing everyone needs to understand is there are guys here who cycled young and with one cycle screwed themselves up for the rest of their lives. There are even guys to include myself that cycled when we was young and was on but than cycled when they were older and screwed themselves up. After 20 years I did one cycle and never came back from it so I'm now having to put a needle in me 4 times a week for the rest of my life just to have a normal life. I learned late that's why I try to make young and old guys who cycle the first time to do it safely with proper AI and a Proper pct. My thing was I didn't use hcg on cycle and believe this is why I did not come back. Good luck to op and anyone else.

I also didn't use hcg on cycle and I to believe this is why I'm having the side effects that I'm having.

**ppwc1985** · 10-07-2013, 12:44 AM

Yes after cycle I only used nolvadex too, I never came back. From feeling so good in cycle to slowly feeling the worst I ever felt. I knew I had a big problem and first bw was at 300, next one 231 next one 60. Drs could not get me restarted so trt the rest if my life. Really sucks, wish I knew a the things I have learned here because it would not have happened.

**MuscleInk** · 10-07-2013, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

Yes after cycle I only used nolvadex too, I never came back. From feeling so good in cycle to slowly feeling the worst I ever felt. I knew I had a big problem and first bw was at 300, next one 231 next one 60. Drs could not get me restarted so trt the rest if my life. Really sucks, wish I knew a the things I have learned here because it would not have happened.

Mistakes happen unfortunately. I wish more young arrogant guys would pause and read threads like this and stop believing nothing could possibly go wrong. They would actually learn something if they listened more and spoke less.

**ppwc1985** · 10-07-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Mistakes happen unfortunately. I wish more young arrogant guys would pause and read threads like this and stop believing nothing could possibly go wrong. They would actually learn something if they listened more and spoke less.

yep but like Forrest Gump said stupid is as stupid does. Sometimes as men no matter how old we just don't think someone knows better than ourselves.

**MuscleInk** · 10-07-2013, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

yep but like Forrest Gump said stupid is as stupid does. Sometimes as men no matter how old we just don't think someone knows better than ourselves.

So very true.

**Megalodon6** · 10-07-2013, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

Yes after cycle I only used nolvadex too, I never came back. From feeling so good in cycle to slowly feeling the worst I ever felt. I knew I had a big problem and first bw was at 300, next one 231 next one 60. Drs could not get me restarted so trt the rest if my life. Really sucks, wish I knew a the things I have learned here because it would not have happened.

I agree completely I believe if I would've found this site I would've never ran aas at such a young age and just trained hard. But I do not think I'm completely shut down like you but I just don't feel like I did before that ignorant cycle I ran. I'm currently waiting on bw results I'm hoping they come in tomorrow