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10-14-2013, 11:38 AM #1
Clen vs ECA
Is there any research out there that comparing the raise in metabolic rate brought on by these two compounds? Anecdotal evidence suggests clen is clearly stronger but some people say they get better results from ECA. I personally get great results from ECA with no sides but have contemplated trying clen, it sounds nasty though.
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10-14-2013, 11:49 AM #2
No links to provide, but If I HAD to choose, I'd do anything on earth other than Clenbuterol .
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10-14-2013, 12:14 PM #3
I have done both,
in my opinion ECA vs Clen would be like comparing a cycle of prop vs a cycle of creatine
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10-14-2013, 12:35 PM #4
^^^^Agreed. Clen is rough stuff and when you start cramping.......it is brutal!
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10-14-2013, 12:36 PM #5Junior Member
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ECA is really better then Clen for me....
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10-14-2013, 06:12 PM #6New Member
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Does the ECA stack really work that well?
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10-14-2013, 06:39 PM #7
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10-19-2013, 11:50 PM #8Associate Member
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I don't have any issues with clen , or eca....really you need to try both to see what you like better.
Personally, I'd rather just up the AAS dosage(tren ) and keep diet on track if I'm looking to push the diet faster(not advised for everyone, or even most) as on AAS for life here... But AAS/clen/eca, it's all not needed, if diet/training is on point. So make sure before you do anything diet/training is on track. ECA isn't magic, or clen....or even tren. Just icing on the cake.
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10-20-2013, 12:16 AM #9
Both out dated. Much better and safer ways to aid in cutting.
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Mind expanding on that a bit?
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10-20-2013, 01:24 AM #11Originally Posted by tarmyg
Clen is pretty taxing IMO on most people. I've ran it with no ill sides multi times now. Some cycles and one 8wk straight run. Does it work sure. Some people cramp, shakes, ect. Only thing I do really like about clen is it opening my breathing up a lot. I have nose issues...
EcA works, but I'm not a fan of running aspirin like that. "I actually run 600mgs of caffeine daily now"
Gw501516 works better then both clen/ecA and with much better side results along with it. Endurance increased.
Austinites fat burning stack is so far to all my testing been best without gear, hgh, ect. It's cheap, no sides, and can run it for a long time. Burns fat. Stops sugar cravings. All around goodness.
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The day I put that crazy shit into my body will be the day!!!
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10-20-2013, 08:00 AM #13~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~
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10-20-2013, 08:52 AM #15~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~
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10-20-2013, 09:12 AM #16Originally Posted by tarmyg
Why is it crazy? No crazier then anything else.
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10-20-2013, 09:38 AM #17
Just don't see why those things are necessary if you're doing everything else right ( diet, cardio, etc. ).
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10-20-2013, 10:00 AM #18Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Because everyone is different. That's why. Everyone hits hard spots no matter how "on point" they are.
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10-20-2013, 10:39 AM #19
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10-20-2013, 10:42 AM #20Originally Posted by kidrock29520
That's your point of view. Nothing more.
If supplements, stacks have no bad side effects I see no reason not to use things.
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10-20-2013, 10:47 AM #21
So you don't think Clen or ECA has any bad side effects?
...The risk vs the reward is just not worth it.
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10-20-2013, 10:51 AM #22Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Clen yes.
EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.
That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.
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10-20-2013, 11:12 AM #23
Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.
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Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.
arguing with someone like this is an exercise in futility.
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10-20-2013, 11:44 AM #25Originally Posted by AlphaMike
Yeah I've seen some of his posts. Less then impressive...
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10-20-2013, 11:47 AM #26Originally Posted by kidrock29520
I studied this using a heart rate monitor, body tempature reading and blood work.Last edited by t-dogg; 10-20-2013 at 12:07 PM.
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10-20-2013, 11:55 AM #27
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10-20-2013, 11:59 AM #28Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Just did. read above.
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10-20-2013, 12:18 PM #29
Education time...
Clen -
http://www.animal-science.org/content/66/2/342.full.pdf
Excerpt:
"Initial consumption of clenbuterol caused a
rapid doubling of heart rate."
Ephedrine ( which is my main issue with ECA ) -
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycho...rine-final.htm
Excerpt:
"Ephedrine has the unique ability to stimulate thermogenesis in the human body. It works by, essentially, speeding up the heart rate, thus inducing a faster metabolism."
"Heart rate and blood pressure can be increased causing dehydration and decreased circulation. Complications from these adverse effects may result in cerebral hemorrhage, (stroke), and cardiac arrhythimies, (heart irregularities), that can result in cardiac arrest and death."Last edited by kidrock29520; 10-20-2013 at 12:25 PM.
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Unless I am out on a limb here this is what this site is for, advice on how to use drugs that most of us take in an illegal manner.
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It's a pretty recent drug that was stopped being developed and in it's short lifespan was shown to cause rapid cancer growth so yeah, no way on god's green earth that goes into my bloodstream. I'll stick to stuff that have been used for many more years than that and do not have those kind of sides.
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10-20-2013, 12:28 PM #32
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Agreed!
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10-20-2013, 12:30 PM #34Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Also most of most you just posted came from 1993 and 1996.
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10-20-2013, 12:33 PM #35Originally Posted by tarmyg
Post a link to the studies please.
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10-20-2013, 12:34 PM #36
Did YOU even read the article? Where does it say that you *NEED* to use anything for weight loss?
Excerpts from the conclusion of the ECA article:
"Research has also shown that it is virtually impossible to achieve weight loss without a healthy diet and regular exercise."
"Ephedrine does have great potential, yet is it worth the risks?"
...and my answer to their question would be no.Last edited by kidrock29520; 10-20-2013 at 12:37 PM.
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10-20-2013, 01:16 PM #37
Therefore, it seems that the optimal solution to lose weight must involve the proper combination of diet, exercise, and drug interaction. Ephedrine may hold the key to fill in for the drug portion of the equation.
Lol, this was copied and pasted.
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10-20-2013, 01:46 PM #38Productive Member
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The article summary:
In short, ephedrine has shown promising signs in terms of its generally positive effects on the human body, especially on the reduction of fat and body weight. Studies have shown that ephedrine is most effective as a weight loss stimulant when used in conjunction with other drugs, such as caffeine. Research has also shown that is is virtually impossible to achieve weight loss without a healthy diet and regular exercise. Therefore, it seems that the optimal solution to lose weight must involve the proper combination of diet, exercise, and drug interaction. Ephedrine may hold the key to fill in for the drug portion of the equation, but as with practically all drugs, there are risks involved. Whether ephedrine is too dangerous to be sold in over the counter products, is still under debate. Ephedrine does have great potential, yet is it worth the risks?
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10-20-2013, 01:53 PM #39Productive Member
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As for the dangers of ECA and Clen , you picked the worst case scenario side effects. Here's a quote from you a couple days ago:
Anavar only cycles are fine. I've done it many times and never felt "supressed", "shutdown" or had any real side effects of note.
loss of appetite, depression, dark urine, muscle cramps, nausea, vomiting, itching, difficulty in breathing, acne, changes in libido, menstrual irregularities, and mood changes.
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