Beware of UGL: Chemical Muscle - Worrisome Recent Events - Contaminated Gear

[Fcastle357]

Had this been an isolated case then your concerns would be warranted but considering multiple ppl have reported issues in a short time then it becomes obvious there is a common denominator.

I have a bit of a financial stake in this. My health comes first and some great members on here have been very helpful already. I just wish there was any evidence at all except hearsay.

[BBJT200]

The thread was started by the member who contracted mrsa. He went into full detail regarding everything. I'm sorry you didn't see it..... Many members did. Maybe one of them will come forward to say they saw it and even posted in it.

Take it for what it's worth..... If u want to continue using them then so be it. Continue supporting them..... Jut don say we didn't warn you

Please give me the link to that thread, I'd love to read it. or tell me where I can find it

[Matt]

Please give me the link to that thread, I'd love to read it. or tell me where I can find it

I just need to be clear here, several people in this thread who are none staff members have spoken up about reading that thread yesterday are you not believing them now?? Are you thinking that not only are staff members but now regular members are in on some kind of conspiracy??

[Lunk1]

I have a bit of a financial stake in this. My health comes first and some great members on here have been very helpful already. I just wish there was any evidence at all except hearsay.

I'm not sure if by financial stake you mean you are invested in the lab or you mean you have spent money on CM gear. Either way, at the end of the day, it's simply a warning. Take it or leave it.

[Fcastle357]

I just need to be clear here, several people in this thread who are none staff members have spoken up about reading that thread yesterday are you not believing them now?? Are you thinking that not only are staff members but now regular members are in on some kind of conspiracy??

Just post the link so I can feel better about tossing thousands of dollars in the trash.

[BBJT200]

Exactly, if this had been just one person then we could possibly call into question his hygiene or injection protocol but when three people report the same issues using the same ugl then theres just no arguments...

This is why i see it as unique, over the years i have seen people picking up infections from dirty gear/pins/vials ect ect but never when using the same ugl at almost the same time....

Why do none of the members come forward and tell us what happened?
Why is it only the mods posting these reports?

Why is it that all of the CM threads where debate has gone on, have been deleted?

I think those are pretty reasonable questions.

Anyone can make up a few beginner accounts and post things like this just to tarnish someone elses reputation. Just because we supposedly have multiple reports within a small period of time does not mean they're credible.

All I'm saying is that so far you have provided ZERO evidence that CM is actually dirty gear.
You have pictures? Oh...a picture of three liquid orals and an unopened testosterone propionate . Yeah, that's some pretty hard evidence there.

If this is a real issue, we deserve to know about it and you are failing to provide evidence.


Oh, and by the way this lab had a great reputation before the mods here started posting unproven (and sketchy at best) claims of contaminated gear.

"Say something enough times, and it becomes true...."

[BBJT200]

I just need to be clear here, several people in this thread who are none staff members have spoken up about reading that thread yesterday are you not believing them now?? Are you thinking that not only are staff members but now regular members are in on some kind of conspiracy??

Post the link or you lose all credibility.

[Fcastle357]

I'm not sure if by financial stake you mean you are invested in the lab or you mean you have spent money on CM gear. Either way, at the end of the day, it's simply a warning. Take it or leave it.

I really respect everyone on here. I have no stake in the company just product. But its substantial. at least to me. I have a family and if this is true then its a no brainer. If its something else that's different.

[austinite]

good point.

Not a good point at all. BBJT has always, in every single possible thread, been an objective member. (Makes me wonder why....).

Ar-r does not sell steroids and to my knowledge, CM does not sell peps/sarms /serms.

Lowtetsosterone.com does not accept young low T patients unless they provide proof of hypogonadsm and proof of the actual cause. It's not easy for the average steroid user to become a member. So there is no such thing as competition, that would actually be a joke. Not really funny, but a joke nonetheless.

BBJT in my opinion, has ulterior motives. Certainly not your health in mind. So in fact, he is not credible, and 100% non productive for the forums.

[Lunk1]

Just post the link so I can feel better about tossing thousands of dollars in the trash.

I can tell you with out question that I was a part of the thread but I know it was removed so that some anonymity could exist while the issue is being investigated. I have no stake in this whatsoever. I don't buy the gear, sell the gear or know the players. Yet I can promise that I wouldn't take the risk if you gave it to me as a Xmas gift.

[BG]

I moderated the thread yesterday. It will brought back with pics and all post. You use their gear? Seems your very interested in this, have you had issues with them ?

Why do none of the members come forward and tell us what happened?
Why is it only the mods posting these reports?

Why is it that all of the CM threads where debate has gone on, have been deleted?

I think those are pretty reasonable questions.

Anyone can make up a few beginner accounts and post things like this just to tarnish someone elses reputation. Just because we supposedly have multiple reports within a small period of time does not mean they're credible.

All I'm saying is that so far you have provided ZERO evidence that CM is actually dirty gear.
You have pictures? Oh...a picture of three liquid orals and an unopened testosterone propionate . Yeah, that's some pretty hard evidence there.

If this is a real issue, we deserve to know about it and you are failing to provide evidence.


Oh, and by the way this lab had a great reputation before the mods here started posting unproven (and sketchy at best) claims of contaminated gear.

"Say something enough times, and it becomes true...."

[probuild42]

I read the OP too! I wish the best for the guy and his family.

I was going to order from this lab. I am glad I listened

To the rest. I sure hope you see the writting on the wall it very clear!! It is obvious who are reps and who is honest here.

Simple choice health or the gear? Only we have control over which one goes in!

[ghettoboyd]

I cant believe people are defending cm...the staff here has everyone's best interest in mind when they put out these warnings...the last time a mod put out a warning, the same guy that is battling the infection as we speak, defended this ugl tooth and nail and guess what happened?....I know if you have cm gear you are pissed right now but use some common sense...there is no hidden agenda...if you don't like what is being said about your ugl then no one is forcing you to be here...

[Hazard]

The thread was put into moderation because this member actively called out a chemical muscle and another member of this forum. It cant be taken out of moderation without the admins consent. It has not been deleted.....

other members have stated they saw it.... so they can tell you we aren't lying.

This fourm got wrapped up in this and we were acused of supporting this lab. Obviously that is not the case. So here we are.... one side says we are trying to bad mouth CM and the other side says we support CM and their shitty gear. WTF do you want us to do here? we are damned if we do and damned if we don't

[Matt]

Why do none of the members come forward and tell us what happened?
Why is it only the mods posting these reports?

Why is it that all of the CM threads where debate has gone on, have been deleted?

I think those are pretty reasonable questions.

Anyone can make up a few beginner accounts and post things like this just to tarnish someone elses reputation. Just because we supposedly have multiple reports within a small period of time does not mean they're credible.

All I'm saying is that so far you have provided ZERO evidence that CM is actually dirty gear.
You have pictures? Oh...a picture of three liquid orals and an unopened testosterone propionate . Yeah, that's some pretty hard evidence there.

If this is a real issue, we deserve to know about it and you are failing to provide evidence.


Oh, and by the way this lab had a great reputation before the mods here started posting unproven (and sketchy at best) claims of contaminated gear.

"Say something enough times, and it becomes true...."

They did, once again yesterday a member reported these claims to the board, he posted a thread here in the Q&A forum for all to read. Im sorry that you weren't around to read but many regular members were...

I really don't understand why you think there is some kind of conspiracy here?? If there was do you think i would be allowing you to answer/ ask these questions...

[Matt]

Post the link or you lose all credibility.

Heres the deal, we bring this thread back up and you then denounce cm gear or you lose all credibility.........

[Hazard]

I cant believe people are defending cm...the staff here has everyone's best interest in mind when they put out these warnings...the last time a mod put out a warning, the same guy that is battling the infection as we speak, defended this ugl tooth and nail and guess what happened?....I know if you have cm gear you are pissed right now but use some common sense...there is no hidden agenda...if you don't like what is being said about your ugl then no one is forcing you to be here...

LOL you are right actually...... the member defended them and ordered anyways. The same member blew up their spot when he got sick.....

[BG]

Heres the deal, we bring this thread back up and you then denounce cm gear or you lose all credibility.........

Fuk yes !

[austinite]

He wont. That's not his intention here...

[BBJT200]

Heres the deal, we bring this thread back up and you then denounce cm gear or you lose all credibility.........

Bring the thread back up so we can read it, and analyze the information....then make a decision whether or not to denounce cm gear.

Sure.

[Lunk1]

I have 2 serious questions.

1) Can those who have the gear take steps to sterilize and make sure at a minimum, that they are not out their $?

2) How many of you members that have used or purchased CM gear were contacted by a member here sourcing the gear?

[BBJT200]

I have 2 serious questions.

1) Can those who have the gear take steps to sterilize and make sure at a minimum, that they are not out their $?

2) How many of you members that have used or purchased CM gear were contacted by a member here sourcing the gear?

1) yes. Filter through a .2um sterile pvdf syringe filter into a new sealed sterile vial. Autoclaving (pressure cooker) would be another measure of safety.

2) I found CM elsewhere before reviews started on this site.

[Lunk1]

By the way..Aust. Thank you for posting this warning and having the health of the boards members at heart.

[Lunk1]

1) yes. Filter through a .2um sterile pvdf syringe filter into a new sealed sterile vial. Autoclaving (pressure cooker) would be another measure of safety.

2) I found CM elsewhere before reviews started on this site.

Wouldn't autoclaving be a REQUIREMENT in this particular case?

[Fcastle357]

I have 2 serious questions.

1) Can those who have the gear take steps to sterilize and make sure at a minimum, that they are not out their $?

2) How many of you members that have used or purchased CM gear were contacted by a member here sourcing the gear?

Never contacted but saw the posts in the ugl section.

[BBJT200]

Wouldn't autoclaving be a REQUIREMENT in this particular case?

No more of a requirement than any other time. With out autoclaving in ANY case, you have a small risk as there are some bacteria that can get through a .2 filter. 0.1 filters will get everything we know of, but it's practically impossible to push oil through them.

[3day]

I read threads over 3 weeks ago where Marcus was warning people of CM being dirty. I also read the thread and seen the pics of the Op mentioned yesterday. He was even part of the threads where Marcus was giving warnings. I appreciate all the Mods looking out for my best interest.

[Sgt. Hartman]

No more of a requirement than any other time. With out autoclaving in ANY case, you have a small risk as there are some bacteria that can get through a .2 filter. 0.1 filters will get everything we know of, but it's practically impossible to push oil through them.

You seem to know a great deal about brewing for someone who's been continually buying ugl gear and not brewing yourself. Strange.

[kidrock29520]

I can't believe this comes as a shock to some people. There are dirty UGL's out there...WHAT!?!?!?!?

[pitchindude]

Why do none of the members come forward and tell us what happened? Why is it only the mods posting these reports? Why is it that all of the CM threads where debate has gone on, have been deleted? I think those are pretty reasonable questions. Anyone can make up a few beginner accounts and post things like this just to tarnish someone elses reputation. Just because we supposedly have multiple reports within a small period of time does not mean they're credible. All I'm saying is that so far you have provided ZERO evidence that CM is actually dirty gear. You have pictures? Oh...a picture of three liquid orals and an unopened testosterone propionate. Yeah, that's some pretty hard evidence there. If this is a real issue, we deserve to know about it and you are failing to provide evidence. Oh, and by the way this lab had a great reputation before the mods here started posting unproven (and sketchy at best) claims of contaminated gear. "Say something enough times, and it becomes true...."

You sound like one of those conspiracy theorists wearing a tin foil hat lol. I saw the post last night as well. Why so hard for you to believe they're dirty? You working for them?

[Cuz]

don't use em and don't plan on it. Thanks.

[songdog]

Good job Austinite!

[Java Man]

The thread was started by the member who contracted mrsa. He went into full detail regarding everything. I'm sorry you didn't see it..... Many members did. Maybe one of them will come forward to say they saw it and even posted in it.

Take it for what it's worth..... If u want to continue using them then so be it. Continue supporting them..... Jut don say we didn't warn you

I saw both. I posted in one. I don't see any reason not to believe warnings like this. There are good reasons for keeping details confidential. If people can't understand that, so be it. The warning has been posted. Use chemical muscle or don't. Lol. Jesus. Drama. Nobody has said they would come to your house and supervise the destruction of your gear, BBJT.

[Matt]

Bring the thread back up so we can read it, and analyze the information....then make a decision whether or not to denounce cm gear.

Sure.

Your losing all credibility now.

Let me guess and see if i can predict the future here, we will produce the original thread where an ordinary regular member complains of injecting dirty gear. He backs this up with pictures and we know his gear came from cm because only a short period of time before hand he actually defended cm. This member has no agenda except to warn others of the potential lethal consequences of using cm gear..

There are two other members producing the same evidence but wish to remain anonymous and we will respect that.

After all this i would be willing to bet money that in some way you will still for some unknown reason defend cm, im right aren't i??

[Lunk1]

Your losing all credibility now.

Let me guess and see if i can predict the future here, we will produce the original thread where an ordinary regular member complains of injecting dirty gear. He backs this up with pictures and we know his gear came from cm because only a short period of time before hand he actually defended cm. This member has no agenda except to warn others of the potential lethal consequences of using cm gear..

There are two other members producing the same evidence but wish to remain anonymous and we will respect that.

After all this i would be willing to bet money that in some way you will still for some unknown reason defend cm, im right aren't i??

I think you might be wrong about the part in bold

[testluva]

My friends and I have been on CM products for over eight months. Never had a problem even with PIP. Currently I'm on TestP/NPP and loving it. My friends are on CM test Cyp and have no PIP problems. We do BW every three to six months and everything is gTg. My other friend is on CM TestE/Anavar and loving it. We all use CM TNE75 and again have no problems with anything. This comment is from my group of friends.

[Matt]

I think you might be wrong about the part in bold

You could well be right mate but i don't like to judge people or make presumptions. I understand that BBJ has used their gear and had results using it so a simple post stating that he had had no issues would have been enough instead of going on and on trying to defend them.. I used gear form a ugl and had fantastic results but once i heard they were scamming people i simply posted a short post with my experience and left it at that....

Believe it or not but since this thread was started more and more members are coming forward in private to give their experience and they are worrying, those that wish to remain anonymous will do so but i'd be happier if they were more open and share what they've found with the community....

[austinite]

My friends and I have been on CM products for over eight months. Never had a problem even with PIP. Currently I'm on TestP/NPP and loving it. My friends are on CM test Cyp and have no PIP problems. We do BW every three to six months and everything is gTg. My other friend is on CM TestE/Anavar and loving it. We all use CM TNE75 and again have no problems with anything. This comment is from my group of friends.

Sure. And 2 prop shots put you at 3000+ right? It was you who said that. And then you refused to tell us your TRT dose and became offended that I even asked.

You're not dealing with clueless kids brother. I see bbjt has only you as a friend. Funny how that works....

[Mp859]

Yeah seems as though there are two people that stand behind this dirty infected garbage. Even with proof.

[Lunk1]

You could well be right mate but i don't like to judge people or make presumptions. I understand that BBJ has used their gear and had results using it so a simple post stating that he had had no issues would have been enough instead of going on and on trying to defend them.. I used gear form a ugl and had fantastic results but once i heard they were scamming people i simply posted a short post with my experience and left it at that....

Believe it or not but since this thread was started more and more members are coming forward in private to give their experience and they are worrying, those that wish to remain anonymous will do so but i'd be happier if they were more open and share what they've found with the community....

I agree. I wish they would speak out as well but if at the very least, they speak to staff, that's better than nothing.