Jump-starting gains with steroids

**TaiChiChuan** · 01-02-2014, 02:56 PM

If any anger came from me I apologize because we are here to help one another not to disrespect or disgrace.

**ghettoboyd** · 01-02-2014, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

The OP was very clear in his question and also posted the question in a way that seemed very objective. I have no idea why people got on their high-horses instead of just answering the question? It was a legitimate question and I found one serious answer that addressed somewhat his original question. Any specific reason people felt the need to completely trash this guy instead of trying to answer his original question?

Just wondering where all the anger came from?

Thanks
~T

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seriously bro,you think his question/s where legitimate because all I heard was "all the principals to safe cycleing that we teach here where a load of crap" because he is all knowing and because he has trained and researched for 5 month so that proves it is all bullshit and he has a handle on everything cus he is soooooo smart.....sorry but his arrogance alone deserves a full on ass whipping...and because of his arrogance his question got lost in the pointless babbleing so it may not have been taken so seriously....

**mockery** · 01-02-2014, 04:57 PM

learning your body takes longer then 2 hours.

Reaching your genetic limit in 5-7 years of resistance training then adding AAS is a better option then taking drugs from the beginning. But it comes down to your goals.

with out goals you will fail regardless what path you take.

**tarmyg** · 01-03-2014, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

seriously bro,you think his question/s where legitimate because all I heard was "all the principals to safe cycleing that we teach here where a load of crap" because he is all knowing and because he has trained and researched for 5 month so that proves it is all bullshit and he has a handle on everything cus he is soooooo smart.....sorry but his arrogance alone deserves a full on ass whipping...and because of his arrogance his question got lost in the pointless babbleing so it may not have been taken so seriously....

Yes, I believe it was a serious question that should have been given as much respect as the next one! He had spent sometime Googling around to try and find an answer from the medical community and when he could not find a study he posted here and the only one who posted emotionless was MuscleInk. You interpreted his question as "bullshit" because he is "soooooo smart". Reading in emotions into text is a true minefield. Why not just answer the question to the best of your ability and move on? What exact purpose have one achieved by calling some arrogant who deserves a "full on ass whipping"?

Thanks
~T

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**ghettoboyd** · 01-03-2014, 03:44 AM

fair enough bro, its just hard for some of us who eat breath and live this bbing lifestyle to hear how some newb who has done a few google searches for a study he will never find can conclude that all the principals to a safe and successful cycle that we preach here is wrong...what experience dose he have to back it up?...if he thinks all he has to do is some steroids and all his wildest dreams of a perfect body will come true he is severely mistaken...did you read the whole post?...I understand to other newbs this might be a legitimate question...but in my opinion he is just looking for a way to justify being lazy and not putting in the work of building a base for which to build upon with aas...and want a "study" to back up his reasoning to just jump on aas after a whopping 5 months of training...its really silly to be honest and quite delusional if he thinks its that easy...but rest assured he will fail if he goes through with it...will he gain something? yes.... will he have the knowledge and ability to keep It?, probably not but he will learn this the hard way of course like a lot of other people who come here for advise and ignore it...read the whole post again and maybe you can comprehend exactly what the motive for his post was...then again maybe you wont...

**songdog** · 01-03-2014, 07:32 AM

You came here for help but it seems you have a closed mind.Sorry if we don't agree with you.But most of us been hitting the steel for years.And we know wat it takes to pack it on.We advise guys to have a few years in the gym and buld a base.Beacuse it will help strengthen your joints ligaments and tendons.Beacuse your muscles get stronger faster than they do.This when lifting heavier weights often results in injury.Bro if getting big was as easy as taking a few pills or a shot in the ash.Everyone would be huge! But its sooo much more.So much more that your average guys don't want too pay the dues.Sure some pack on a lil and are a cut above the avg guy.But most of the time his desire ends at that.You got a lot too learn so be ready.

**TheManWithTheNewPlan** · 10-11-2015, 07:26 PM

THE TIME YOU SPENT RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD WAS NOT IN VAIN

I say that first because I want to say a few things making this comment super long, but the first sentence is the scope of my comment.

I am not a juicer. I just signed up to this forum so that I could post to this thread.

My situation is this. I am male, 34 years old and overweight. I used to do a lot of physical work, but I have going through a LOT of transitions the last two years that left me a lot more sedentary than years past. At 34, having such life changes aren’t too good on the body. I did, however, start a really good walking routine. I maintained a pretty good walking schedule where I would walk for some 7-10 miles a day (split up over the day) until the hot Florida summer and more office hours reduced the time I could walk. My weight shoots up a little bit more. That whole time I may have been walking, but my upper body hasn’t really benefited much from going on a year since I last engaged in any long term physical labor.

So I start making plans to get a good workout routine. Not looking to bulk up. Not looking to be sexy crazy cool. Just want to maintain some semblance of my physical strength and live a little healthier. But I am even further down the hole than I was a couple months ago.

I figure if I could run a half mile, do a hundred pushups, a hundred situps and twenty pullups, I will have reached a reasonable physical goal that would not take too much time and effort per day to maintain.
The only problem is getting a routine started and habitual, and getting over that initial first hump that guys like me find themselves in. The initial hump that seems like trekking uphill until you are finally able to maintain that plateau of physical standard you were looking for. Right now that climb seems so tedious.

Last Thursday night, I wasn’t even looking for juice. I was looking around online for other things. I literally stumble onto an area of the net where there is juice. To be honest, I hadn’t even considered juice before. But all of a sudden I see the “answer to my problem.” Something to give me the motivation. Something to help me over the hump. Something just to help me get started. JUST STARED. Then I will leave the juice and maintain what I have. That is all I want. (I tells myself.) I am not even going to be heavy lifting. Just pushups and pullups and situps. It isn’t like I am going to tear a tendon trying to lift 200 lbs. This will just be a crutch till I can walk on my own, so to speak.

Well, being the wise and studious person I am, I start looking online for the how-tos. I find two relevant threads – this one and one other. The advice given in each of the threads applied to my situation would be no juicing. (Except for MAYBE the fact that I am not in my early 20s anymore. But I am not going to use that as an excuse to juice.)

So I says to myself. Why don’t you try ONE more thing? Find someone to talk to person to person. If they tell you the same thing, let the idea of juice go. I do this. The guy is patient with me and says “nutrition, do planks to increase strength, do a preworkout with creatine and beta aline.” I tell him thanks and that I where I will focus my research. Also, I watch a video where someone basically says that consistency in workout is the biggest key to reaching your goals.

However, in both threads I remember seeing BBers making reference to “noobs who don’t listen” and “people asking the same questions over and over.” My heart goes out to you, because I am in a line of work where people constantly ask me questions and never follow my advice. Here you all are doing the same thing, giving advice you are 99% sure no one is going to heed.

That is why I am posting. I am listening to the answers. I am heeding the advice. I am listening to what you all are saying and I am going to apply it. I am not going to juice.

**TheTaxMan** · 10-12-2015, 03:36 AM

This thread is like 18 months old

**TaiChiChuan** · 10-12-2015, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheManWithTheNewPlan

THE TIME YOU SPENT RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD WAS NOT IN VAIN

I say that first because I want to say a few things making this comment super long, but the first sentence is the scope of my comment.

I am not a juicer. I just signed up to this forum so that I could post to this thread.

My situation is this. I am male, 34 years old and overweight. I used to do a lot of physical work, but I have going through a LOT of transitions the last two years that left me a lot more sedentary than years past. At 34, having such life changes aren’t too good on the body. I did, however, start a really good walking routine. I maintained a pretty good walking schedule where I would walk for some 7-10 miles a day (split up over the day) until the hot Florida summer and more office hours reduced the time I could walk. My weight shoots up a little bit more. That whole time I may have been walking, but my upper body hasn’t really benefited much from going on a year since I last engaged in any long term physical labor.

So I start making plans to get a good workout routine. Not looking to bulk up. Not looking to be sexy crazy cool. Just want to maintain some semblance of my physical strength and live a little healthier. But I am even further down the hole than I was a couple months ago.

I figure if I could run a half mile, do a hundred pushups, a hundred situps and twenty pullups, I will have reached a reasonable physical goal that would not take too much time and effort per day to maintain.
The only problem is getting a routine started and habitual, and getting over that initial first hump that guys like me find themselves in. The initial hump that seems like trekking uphill until you are finally able to maintain that plateau of physical standard you were looking for. Right now that climb seems so tedious.

Last Thursday night, I wasn’t even looking for juice. I was looking around online for other things. I literally stumble onto an area of the net where there is juice. To be honest, I hadn’t even considered juice before. But all of a sudden I see the “answer to my problem.” Something to give me the motivation. Something to help me over the hump. Something just to help me get started. JUST STARED. Then I will leave the juice and maintain what I have. That is all I want. (I tells myself.) I am not even going to be heavy lifting. Just pushups and pullups and situps. It isn’t like I am going to tear a tendon trying to lift 200 lbs. This will just be a crutch till I can walk on my own, so to speak.

Well, being the wise and studious person I am, I start looking online for the how-tos. I find two relevant threads – this one and one other. The advice given in each of the threads applied to my situation would be no juicing. (Except for MAYBE the fact that I am not in my early 20s anymore. But I am not going to use that as an excuse to juice.)

So I says to myself. Why don’t you try ONE more thing? Find someone to talk to person to person. If they tell you the same thing, let the idea of juice go. I do this. The guy is patient with me and says “nutrition, do planks to increase strength, do a preworkout with creatine and beta aline.” I tell him thanks and that I where I will focus my research. Also, I watch a video where someone basically says that consistency in workout is the biggest key to reaching your goals.

However, in both threads I remember seeing BBers making reference to “noobs who don’t listen” and “people asking the same questions over and over.” My heart goes out to you, because I am in a line of work where people constantly ask me questions and never follow my advice. Here you all are doing the same thing, giving advice you are 99% sure no one is going to heed.

That is why I am posting. I am listening to the answers. I am heeding the advice. I am listening to what you all are saying and I am going to apply it. I am not going to juice.

TheTaxMan says this thread is ancient! Ha Ha. I did the same as you. I did the search and came upon this forum and signup. Why are you afraid of steroids ? They won't kill you if you know your shit about the proper usage and dosage. I've been taking them for years and I was on TRT for 5 years using pharmaceutical grade Testosterone Enanthate from the VAMC. Legal steroids buddy! They are very helpful in keeping my fat and belly fat to a minimum. My workouts are a walk in the park. I don't even need to take the Viagra that I'm prescribed because the Test E does the job very well. My mood is great, always with a smile on my face. I do take a few orals tablets 12-15 days out of each month and this scheduled routine is working fine. Weight wise: I started at a skinny 165lb. 6 feet even. Now I'm at 233lb. and still growing simply by touching the weight. I'll top-off at 250lb. that's my goal. Like I wrote above, with the steroids, my workouts are a breeze and fun. If you can't add or put some pleasure into your workout, why do it? Hey BTW, Arnold Schwarzenegger started using steroids at the age of 15 years old! Look what they have done for him and where he's at now. Still kicking ass at 75! LOL

**TheManWithTheNewPlan** · 10-12-2015, 07:18 AM

I am not afraid of 'roids. That wasn't the point of my post. I know there is a safe way to do it.

I want to juice. But the majority of people who have experience would tell me that I shouldn't. I am 34 years old with a career that requires my mind more than my body now. Sure, I would LOVE to use anything available to make what little time I have to exercise even that more effective.

Especially because my biggest problems are wanting to get over that initial hump and getting my train rolling.

But like I said, the point of the point of the post is I wanted to let the wise steroid sages know that there are people who do read what they write and listen to what they say, even though they don't always voice that the elders of the group changed their mind - that all their posting was not in vain. Because having to say the same thing over and over again and still have no one listen can get tiring.

**Mr.BB** · 10-12-2015, 09:04 AM

There is not a safe way to do steroids , there are safest ways, which is very different.

Steroids do not shed fat or make ppl lose weight, on the contrary, anabolic steroids are mass builders.

If you want to lose fat you need to diet and do cardio.

Doing steroids to be able to do pushups and situps is quite stupid in my opinion. There are tremendous health reasons not to do it, not unless you consider the gains outweight the side effects, which will not in your case.

**TheManWithTheNewPlan** · 10-12-2015, 09:23 AM

Well said

And well said, safer does not mean safe. I shouldn't have phrased it that way.

As a side note, I didn't expect to lose weight with juice. It was specifically in pursuit to the standards I had set for myself in my post.

But as I said, I did receive all the advice given. But at the same time, I am not deciding against steroids because I am afraid of them. I am not deciding against it because I don't really want to do it. I do want to do it. But not everything we want is wise.
And that is the reason I decided against it. Unwise, for my particular situation.

**davidtheman100** · 10-12-2015, 04:43 PM

Who the **** does studies case studies on bodybuilding drugs??? For the most part many of the drugs have not even been recorded tested on humans and many of them that are...are not tested at the right dose that many of us use....I will accept being a case study...If some smart guy with a lab coat can give me some free tren i'm all for it...They can see how at week 3 "we see extreme vascularity in the trapezius region" and i'm like fvck yeah science

**TheTaxMan** · 10-12-2015, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

Who the **** does studies case studies on bodybuilding drugs??? For the most part many of the drugs have not even been recorded tested on humans and many of them that are...are not tested at the right dose that many of us use....I will accept being a case study...If some smart guy with a lab coat can give me some free tren i'm all for it...They can see how at week 3 "we see extreme vascularity in the trapezius region" and i'm like fvck yeah science

I second to being a tren rat, after bloodwork of course

**TaiChiChuan** · 10-14-2015, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

There is not a safe way to do steroids , there are safest ways, which is very different.

Steroids do not shed fat or make ppl lose weight, on the contrary, anabolic steroids are mass builders.

If you want to lose fat you need to diet and do cardio.

Doing steroids to be able to do pushups and situps is quite stupid in my opinion. There are tremendous health reasons not to do it, not unless you consider the gains outweight the side effects, which will not in your case.

TESTOSTERONE DOES INDEED HELP YOU SHED FAT AND LOSE WEIGHT MR. WIZENHEIMER! Do some damn research before you post such a comment. Studies upon studies show the effects of T on fat and weight loss. And you call yourself a bodybuilder and don't know jack about testosterone. Sure AAS can build muscle mass, but it can also be used for other health benefits. If the guy chooses to take steroids and do push ups, pull ups, and sit ups, so be it. I'm not here to debate about something that I've always have known because I do my research. You should too.

**Mr.BB** · 10-14-2015, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by TaiChiChuan

TESTOSTERONE DOES INDEED HELP YOU SHED FAT AND LOSE WEIGHT MR. WIZENHEIMER! Do some damn research before you post such a comment. Studies upon studies show the effects of T on fat and weight loss. And you call yourself a bodybuilder and don't know jack about testosterone. Sure AAS can build muscle mass, but it can also be used for other health benefits. If the guy chooses to take steroids and do push ups, pull ups, and sit ups, so be it. I'm not here to debate about something that I've always have known because I do my research. You should too.

Well, Im here to debate

So, enlighten me by explaying the mechanism by which testosterone promotes lipolysis.

**tarmyg** · 10-15-2015, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by TaiChiChuan

TESTOSTERONE DOES INDEED HELP YOU SHED FAT AND LOSE WEIGHT MR. WIZENHEIMER! Do some damn research before you post such a comment. Studies upon studies show the effects of T on fat and weight loss. And you call yourself a bodybuilder and don't know jack about testosterone. Sure AAS can build muscle mass, but it can also be used for other health benefits. If the guy chooses to take steroids and do push ups, pull ups, and sit ups, so be it. I'm not here to debate about something that I've always have known because I do my research. You should too.

Way to keep the debate at calm and sensible. I also, eagerly await your thoughts around test and fat burning.