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    About to start 10 weeks on this ... thoughts?

    I just finished my first 5 weeks and was using dbol , cypionate and deca . I ran into some issues with the deca ... the obvious frustrating problem that can occur for guys! (IF YOU ARE UNEXPERIENCED AND CONSIDERING A CYCLE STEER CLEAR OF DECA ... your gf will thank you)

    After consulting with some people I decided to change up what I was taking for the next 10 weeks. I know my ed problem won't get much better with this (unless the amount of test will counter it)

    what are your thoughts on this:

    Test E - 200mg
    Trenbolone Enanthate - 75mg
    Testosterone Undecanoate - 75mg

    taking this 2x a week!

    Any thoughts/suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by letshopethisworks
    I just finished my first 5 weeks and was using dbol , cypionate and deca . I ran into some issues with the deca ... the obvious frustrating problem that can occur for guys! (IF YOU ARE UNEXPERIENCED AND CONSIDERING A CYCLE STEER CLEAR OF DECA ... your gf will thank you)

    After consulting with some people I decided to change up what I was taking for the next 10 weeks. I know my ed problem won't get much better with this (unless the amount of test will counter it)

    what are your thoughts on this:

    Test E - 200mg
    Trenbolone Enanthate - 75mg
    Testosterone Undecanoate - 75mg

    taking this 2x a week!

    Any thoughts/suggestions?
    Are you running an AI? Which one and how much?

    What is your cycle Hx (how many prior cycles)?

    What would you estimate your bf% at?

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    No I am not currently running an AI ... I have had no symptoms or signs of any issues so I have not added that yet. It is available if needed though. I took about 8 years off between cycles, and working out in general. I had previously done 4 different cycles ranging with everything from sustanon , prop, cyp and enth. I would say my body fat is less than 12%

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    Quote Originally Posted by letshopethisworks
    No I am not currently running an AI ... I have had no symptoms or signs of any issues so I have not added that yet. It is available if needed though. I took about 8 years off between cycles, and working out in general. I had previously done 4 different cycles ranging with everything from sustanon, prop, cyp and enth. I would say my body fat is less than 12%
    Erectile dysfunction is most certainly a sign AND symptom of elevated estrogen. More importantly, many of the cardiothoracic and peripheral arterial risks of elevated serum estrogen do no produce visible symptoms but can be far more severe to your health.

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    I did not know this. I have some wonky info then ... I was told that unless I had some signs to not bother with it because it would suppress my gains and hold me back. What would you recommend? Thank you so much for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by letshopethisworks
    I did not know this. I have some wonky info then ... I was told that unless I had some signs to not bother with it because it would suppress my gains and hold me back. What would you recommend? Thank you so much for the help
    That's a common misconception among many people. Testosterone will aromatize to estrogen but at varied rates and some individuals may be prone to over expression of aromatase activity, called aromatase syndrome. There are two AIs you should consider. You will only need one, not both.

    Aromasin : dosed DAILY during your cycle at 10-25mg per day. You might want to start at a higher dose for a week to bring your E2 down.

    Arimidex : dosed every other day at .25-.50mg. Again, a higher dose may be required to bring your estrogen down.

    If you haven't started the tren , I would hold off until you get your serum E under control. With elevated E in the presence of trenbelone, there is an added risk of prolactin increase which can be dangerous. Many people will run cabergoline OR pramipexole with their AI on cycle to prevent a rise in prolactin levels. Others simply keep it available if there becomes a need.

    Our forum sponsor carries the products I referenced.

    IMO, I'd consider having blood work done at this point to see where your E2 levels are at. Based on symptoms alone, I suspect it is elevated but blood work would provide confirmation.
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    The link below will provide more detailed information on aromatase enzyme activity and the importance of managing it on cycle.

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...le-swifto.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by letshopethisworks View Post
    I did not know this. I have some wonky info then ... I was told that unless I had some signs to not bother with it because it would suppress my gains and hold me back. What would you recommend? Thank you so much for the help
    Great info from MI.. also read this link:

    The Dangers of Elevated Estrogen in Men

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    Thank you so much. I will def get either Aromasin or arimidex asap. I did start the tren ... only 1 dose so far. I did not realize much of what you were saying. I trusted a source who I maybe shouldnt have I guess. I will add one of those 2 to what I am doing now though. Thanks again man. You figure I should still make some decent gains on that cycle in 10 weeks?

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    Good posts MI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igifuno

    Great info from MI.. also read this link:

    The Dangers of Elevated Estrogen in Men
    Thanks Igi. That's the link I was actually looking for! Glad you came into the thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by letshopethisworks
    Thank you so much. I will def get either Aromasin or arimidex asap. I did start the tren ... only 1 dose so far. I did not realize much of what you were saying. I trusted a source who I maybe shouldnt have I guess. I will add one of those 2 to what I am doing now though. Thanks again man. You figure I should still make some decent gains on that cycle in 10 weeks?
    Ya, unfortunately sources have one interest: sell gear and grab as much cash as they can for it. Lol.

    The cycle is reasonable. I usually run my tren and test a bit higher, but sometimes less is more. If you're looking to gain, keep your caloric intake at least 500 cals above your TDEE. Nutrition is really the fuel that drives the growth. The gear helps improve that growth, but if you eat at or below your TDEE, your gains will be compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronz
    Good posts MI!
    Thanks brother.

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    Thanks so much for the links, I just read them now. I will get an AI added now and will do my best to eat eat eat. Thanks so much for the information and help. Appreciate it a ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by letshopethisworks
    Thanks so much for the links, I just read them now. I will get an AI added now and will do my best to eat eat eat. Thanks so much for the information and help. Appreciate it a ton.
    We didn't discuss this, but hopefully you have HCG for your cycle (use during the cycle) and tamoxifen /nolvadex and clomid for your PCT to assist with recovery and restarting your natural hormone secretions.

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