Clen and cialis during pct

**newguy92** · 03-31-2014, 06:37 PM

Hey guys just wondering if Clen along with cialis is safe during pct? I figure the Clen would help you cut and the cialis would help with lowering your bp and help your sex drive.
Example:
Weeks 1-12 test e
Weeks 12-18 (2 weeks on 2 off)
Weeks 12-18 low dose cialis
Weeks 14-18 clomid and nolva protocol
Weeks 1-12 arimidex
Weeks 2-12 HCG

**RangerDanger830** · 03-31-2014, 07:18 PM

i would strongly suggest adding an AI to the cycle. I see nothing wrong with adding clen at the end of the cycle, I would like to hear what others would say about it though, I have done it once myself. Just make sure you take taurine, drink lots of water, and maybe throw some potassium in there too.

**newguy92** · 03-31-2014, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by RangerDanger830

i would strongly suggest adding an AI to the cycle. I see nothing wrong with adding clen at the end of the cycle, I would like to hear what others would say about it though, I have done it once myself. Just make sure you take taurine, drink lots of water, and maybe throw some potassium in there too.

Yeah I know it's just an example but I fixed it, added an AI and HCG .

**Stosh_112** · 03-31-2014, 09:03 PM

Clen during pct will only add extra energy from lack of ur usual test mix. Some people say clen is anobilic and some say its metobolic... From ny experience, i cant eat worth a damn on clen and wouldnt run it on pct since i need every ounce of food to keep gains. As far as Cialis, its great for BP, prost issues, and ED. I would and will use cialis on next pct.

**slfmade** · 03-31-2014, 09:44 PM

The last thing you wanta do in PCT is cut. If anything you want to UP your caloric intake to keep the gains from the cycle. Clen in PCT is self defeating.

**newguy92** · 03-31-2014, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

The last thing you wanta do in PCT is cut. If anything you want to UP your caloric intake to keep the gains from the cycle. Clen in PCT is self defeating.

but what if the goal of the cycle was to cut? As long as I'm getting my calories in, and cutting fat with Clen , I'd be alright no? I'm more asking this question to see if there's risk with taking cialis and Clen together

**Docd187123** · 03-31-2014, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

The last thing you wanta do in PCT is cut. If anything you want to UP your caloric intake to keep the gains from the cycle. Clen in PCT is self defeating.

I actually didn't mind cutting during PCT. Most feel differently but besides some lethargy i was actually pretty successful.

**slfmade** · 03-31-2014, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

I actually didn't mind cutting during PCT. Most feel differently but besides some lethargy i was actually pretty successful.

You didn't lose LBM? Or at least not a significant amount? Seems like low hormones and a caloric deficit would lead to a lot of loss.

**Docd187123** · 03-31-2014, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

You didn't lose LBM? Or at least not a significant amount? Seems like low hormones and a caloric deficit would lead to a lot of loss.

You always lose LBM on a cut, it's just unavoidable. What I mainly lost was water and fat though. I don't have my numbers with me now but if I did lose actual muscle tissue it wasn't significant enough for me to worry about or remember and to be honest I'd probably do it again. End result was just a leaner, stronger me. Calorie deficit and low hormones can make it easier to lose a lot of Muscle but it doesn't have to. I increased my protein intake slightly, cut fats a bit, and had as many carbs as my intake would allow. The carbs helped me keep my intensity higher and I attribute intensity with helping me preserve almost everything but the fat.

**slfmade** · 03-31-2014, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

You always lose LBM on a cut, it's just unavoidable. What I mainly lost was water and fat though. I don't have my numbers with me now but if I did lose actual muscle tissue it wasn't significant enough for me to worry about or remember and to be honest I'd probably do it again. End result was just a leaner, stronger me. Calorie deficit and low hormones can make it easier to lose a lot of Muscle but it doesn't have to. I increased my protein intake slightly, cut fats a bit, and had as many carbs as my intake would allow. The carbs helped me keep my intensity higher and I attribute intensity with helping me preserve almost everything but the fat.

Interesting. Any particular reason you didn't wait until after PCT? Time constraints? Curiousity? Just didn't think it would make a significant difference?

**slfmade** · 03-31-2014, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by newguy92

but what if the goal of the cycle was to cut? As long as I'm getting my calories in, and cutting fat with Clen, I'd be alright no? I'm more asking this question to see if there's risk with taking cialis and Clen together

Clen raises BP, Cialis lowers BP. I think you'd be fine, but without looking up possible indications it would be hard for me to say for sure.

Keep in mind that Clen raises your BMR so you would need to keep that in mind in determining your deficit. This was the main point in my comment earlier. Clen will further your deficit.

**scotty51312** · 03-31-2014, 10:38 PM

Clen on PCT is good for me as a pre workout at low doses. I don't take pre workouts on cycle or use creatine, I save all that for PCT when my test is shut down to get nice HIIT workouts in

**< <Samson> >** · 03-31-2014, 10:39 PM

I ran Cialis throughout PCT, it seems helpful & I don't get any negative sides, seems to raise free & total test numbers also

Whatever u do during PCT, will not be 100%. I wouldn't cut, either try your best to maintain or start trying to natty bulk. But, it's nothing like being on AAs. This all depends on how your body likes where it's at.

**Docd187123** · 03-31-2014, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Interesting. Any particular reason you didn't wait until after PCT? Time constraints? Curiousity? Just didn't think it would make a significant difference?

I was getting sick of eating enough to bulk (4600-4700cals and weight stagnated), I had been bulking leading up to the cycle so all in all for 2.5minths plus a 16wk cycle so 6.5months and I was as fat as I was willing to get, it was summer time and I was sweating like R Kelly at a Girl Scout fundraiser, and I just wanted to see if it was possible since so many others said it wasn't. Not everyone would enjoy it but it's not impossible either IMO.

**Docd187123** · 03-31-2014, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

I ran Cialis throughout PCT, it seems helpful & I don't get any negative sides, seems to raise free & total test numbers also

Whatever u do during PCT, will not be 100%. I wouldn't cut, either try your best to maintain or start trying to natty bulk. But, it's nothing like being on AAs. This all depends on how your body likes where it's at.

Can I ask how Cialis affects free and total testosterone ?

**RangerDanger830** · 04-01-2014, 05:54 AM

I did take Clen right after a bulk cycle the one time I took it during PCT, I kept my calories the same while on Clen. I didn't really know what was going to happen so I more or less did it to see how it would affect my muscle and fat. I knew I would sacrifice some muscle and I believe I did but I think it turned out to be a fairly insignificant amount, just like with any other cut cycle. I went straight from bulking into a mild cut, very mild, like 100-200 calories under. I didn't really notice much difference as opposed to a regular bulk/cut rotation. But there are so many variables involved here, who knows. I would say try it and see how it works for you if you have cycle experience. As far as drug interactions, you will be okay there.

**< <Samson> >** · 04-01-2014, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Can I ask how Cialis affects free and total testosterone?

I'm not gonna BS, I have no clue. I heard it a few times & every test count I have taken when I was off the sauce & on natural like test boosters(Cialis & trib) has been fairly higher than before

**Bonaparte** · 04-01-2014, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

I'm not gonna BS, I have no clue. I heard it a few times & every test count I have taken when I was off the sauce & on natural like test boosters(Cialis & trib) has been fairly higher than before

There is no such link.

**< <Samson> >** · 04-01-2014, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

There is no such link.

Cialis Increases Testosterone !

Based on the research, acute dosages of Cialis do not have performance-enhancing effects, but new research suggests that Cialis increases testosterone! Researchers had participants perform three 30-second “all-out” sprints to exhaustion and measured testosterone and cortisol responses to exercise. They found that only after Cialis and exercise did testosterone increase, however Cialis also increased cortisol levels. Cialis also lowered the DHEA to cortisol response. The study demonstrates that Cialis increases the “stress” response to the body, but also has some testosterone-enhancing effects as well. It’s interesting that a large dosage of caffeine, which is a weak, non-specific PDE inhibitor, also caused an increase in testosterone and also an increase in cortisol.21 So it seems that Cialis has both positive and negative effects on muscle. Cialis does not directly stimulate testosterone secretion per se, meaning it does not stimulate LH release or SHBG release directly. This is not the first study to find that Cialis raises testosterone:

this is from MD

I believe it, the only thing I was on was cialis and trib. My total test went from mid to upper 500's to the mid 800's

Could have been all of the tribulus - but I doubt it

**Bonaparte** · 04-01-2014, 10:34 PM

^^ the mechanism they mentioned is going to have a negligible impact on total test levels, since it is a fleeting increase after exercise that doesn't even correspond to increased gonadotropin activity.