What makes primobolan so exotic/great etc.?

[Roger11]

Ive been waiting for a sale on, and now one is on and I can get primobolan at a decent price. Still pricey compared to test/deca and those and there double the mg. 250mg.ml compared to primo being 100mg/ml.

But what makes primobolan so great? Im contemplating picking up a dozen vials, but for the price I can get 2 dozen vials of deca with more mg lol.

What is so unique about it?. Im happy with the price I can get it for now as its decent but on the edge. Id be using it to gain mass ofc.

Can anyone elaborate please.

[Roger11]

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[mod1-4]

The raw material for it is very expensive

[Roger11]

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[Roger11]

surely someone knows?

What does it do in terms of body comp as opposed to deca and test/tren etc

Why does it deserve to be 2x the price of other anabolics?

[corkshow]

"Primobolan Depot is an extremely effective steroid that's earned its respect as the safest injectable steroid. It's the only steroid that will yield solid gains even on a low calorie diet. It's also the only steroid that will build solid muscle slowly with minimal to no side effects... No acne, no aggression, no water bloat, no loss of sex drive, and its the only steroid that will not shut down HPTA (you want to have kids one day right?). I honestly cant think of another steroid that compares to primobolan!

Primo is left out of cycles for a number of reasons. First, up until 2003, legit primos were extremely difficult to find. The market was flooded with fakes and athletes lost faith in finding legit primos. But nowadays, legit primo is easier to find as the pharmaceutical company Schering, Turkey, now produces them in bulk. And allow me to stress one point...

TURKISH SCHERING PRIMOS ARE THE ONLY PRIMOS YOU SHOULD TRUST!

Second, primobolan is slightly higher priced than testesterone and/or deca . But only a little pricier. Certainly not that much more expensive to dent our pockets, but there are those who would rather save a few dollars and go with a cheaper alternative. Allow me to stress another point - those who don't care about their health need not think about Primo. But those whose concern is safety and precision will find primo in a class of its own. It's that simple, and our good friend Arnold will agree. Yes yes my friends... Arnold Schwarzeneger was a huge fan of primo. In fact, his favorite cycle was a stack of Primo and Dbol .

Ok, let's look at this drug. Methenolone is a DHT-based steroid (actually, DHB or dihydroboldenone, the 5-alpha reduced of the milder boldenon). Meaning when it interacts with the aromatase enzyme it does not form estrogens at all.(estrogen is what causes unwanted sides). But unlike deca you do not have to worry about progesterone problems (like bitch tits) either, so now you have the best of both worlds!

Since Primobolan does not convert to estrogen, it displays many favorable characteristics. Estrogen related side effects should not be seen at all when using this steroid. Sensitive individuals need not worry about developing gynecomastia , nor should they notice any water retention with this drug. The gains seen with Primobolan will be only quality muscle mass, and not the smooth bloat which accompanies most steroids open to aromatization. In addition, during a cycle, the user should not have much trouble with blood pressure values, as this effect is also related (generally) to estrogen and water retention - two common side effects that Primo just doesn't have.

You will here Primo is weaker than deca. That's not exactly accurate. Deca is a great substance but is also very calorie dependant. Primo is not, primo can allow your diet to be a little loose. A few quotes by Bill Roberts: "It appears to cause less inhibition than Deca or testosterone for any given degree of anabolic effect, perhaps because of low CNS activity, lack of conversion to DHT, and lack of aromatization to estrogen." Do you understand what he is saying. Ok this is even true at a range of 600 mgs primo per week which is a highly effective dose. Requiring a little higher dosage to achieve the same anabolic effect, but since it is pleasant to use at doses considerably higher than what is pleasant for nandrolone esters (deca), it can achieve higher maximum effectiveness. In addition, Primobolan depot is attached to an ester which allows a half-life of about 5 to 10 days. This is a benefit to both the new or veteran user. Every day injections or every other day are a pain in the ass, no pun intended. But every injecting Primo every 5 to 7 days is enough to allow for optimal blood levels.

Primobolan depot happens to have another plus, the drug is particularly excellent for use as the last injectable in a cycle, since for any given anabolic effect it gives much less inhibition of your natural testosterone production than other steroids such as testosterone, nandrolone, or tren . Therefore, residual levels of Primobolan can allow recovery of your natural test levels as you taper off your cycle while still offering useful anti-catabolic or even anabolic support.

And oh... When people blow up say 30lbs in a cycle its impossible to keep it all as most of it is water bloat. Even if you plan your cycle carefully and do your homework, half your gains, (if not more) will disappear within a few weeks. A slow quality builder like primo allows you to gain for the long term.

Often athletes find themselves falling for all the BS they hear in Internet chat rooms. Look, you have to talk to actual users! Real users with real experiences. Side effects with Primobolan Depot are minimal and manifest themselves only rarely and in persons who are extremely sensitive. Due to the androgenic residual effect, side effects can include light acne, deepening voice or increased hair growth. But who cares? Take B5 for the acne, women love deep voices, and increased hair growth? Cry me a river and shave.

Primobolan Depot has even less influence on the liver function than the oral Primo so that an increase of the liver's toxin values is extremely unlikely. The blood pressure, cholesterol level, HDL and LDL values, as with Primo tablets, usually remain unaffected. Primobolan Depot is generally the safest injectable steroid.

Like the tablets, Primobolan Depot has only a very small influence on the hypothalamuhypophysiat testicular axis so your body's own testosterone production is only reduced when very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period of time.

Stacks: Primo is often used in a stack. It is popular for male bodybuilders to stack Primobolan with other steroids in order to obtain a faster and more enhanced effect. Methenolone (Primo) is also one of the rare steroids that works on a reduced calorie diet. This makes Primobolan depot an ideal part of every cutting stack. For dieting (pre contest preparation) Methenolone works best in stack with T3, Clen , Proviron , Deca, and/or Test. During a dieting or cutting phase, a non-aromatizing androgen like Halotestin or trenbolone can be added. The strong androgenic component should help to bring about an added density and hardness to the muscles. On the other hand (or in addition) we could add Winstrol or Anavar , another mild anabolic steroid. The result of this combination should again be a notable increase of muscle mass and hardness, but in this case the gain should not be accompanied by increased side effects. And as mentioned earlier, Primobolan Depot is also used effectively during bulking phases of training. The addition of testosterone, Dianabol or Anadrol prove quite effective for adding new muscle mass. Of course when stacked with those three, we would have to deal with estrogenic side effects, but in such cases Primobolan should allow the user to take a much lower dosage of the more "toxic" drugs and still receive acceptable results."

- George Spellwin (Research Director for another forum)

[Roger11]

have read that. Looking more for first hand opinions on it. And I know a few people on here have used it.

[MuscleInk]

Primo used to be my favorite compound. If you're lean enough (12% or less), you'll get a nice, lean, dry, vascular look. From a cost benefit analysis though, IMO you can get the same or better effects from masteron with less volume of gear. A big concern with masteron however is as a DHT derivative, it readily binds to prostate androgen receptors and can quickly lead to an enlarged prostate or, with long term use, mutation of prostate fossa cell lines. When cycling with masteron, I strongly recommend a prophylactic dose (5mg) of Cialis daily, for the duration of the cycle to combat the prostate issues.

Dollar for dollar, masteron will give you a very lean, dry, granular, chiseled look (if your pre-cycle bf is low). I still occasionally use primo in a stack but mast has catapulted to the top of my list.

[Roger11]

Primo used to be my favorite compound. If you're lean enough (12% or less), you'll get a nice, lean, dry, vascular look. From a cost benefit analysis though, IMO you can get the same or better effects from masteron with less volume of gear. A big concern with masteron however is as a DHT derivative, it readily binds to prostate androgen receptors and can quickly lead to an enlarged prostate or, with long term use, mutation of prostate fossa cell lines. When cycling with masteron, I strongly recommend a prophylactic dose (5mg) of Cialis daily, for the duration of the cycle to combat the prostate issues.

Dollar for dollar, masteron will give you a very lean, dry, granular, chiseled look (if your pre-cycle bf is low). I still occasionally use primo in a stack but mast has catapulted to the top of my list.

what can one expect from primobolan during a bulking phase if there bodyfat is high?

still get some good LBM?

[MuscleInk]

what can one expect from primobolan during a bulking phase if there bodyfat is high? still get some good LBM?

How high are we talking? Generally speaking, if you're north of 15% bf, a lot of gains won't be lean. You may put on size if your daily caloric intake is greater than your TDEE, but the real benefits of primo would be observed if your bf is high.

[Roger11]

How high are we talking? Generally speaking, if you're north of 15% bf, a lot of gains won't be lean. You may put on size if your daily caloric intake is greater than your TDEE, but the real benefits of primo would be observed if your bf is high.

over 15 percent lol. maybe 18 percent or so.

Yeh would be eating in a surplus for sure. Would the amount of LBM be greater than deca or tren tho? What is the difference in gains between primobolan and the others?

[ironbeck]

to put it in a short concise way, its the rich mans steroid , its very "clean" low sides and is very effective when used in large amounts.

[Roger11]

if using primobolan to bulk and your bodyfat is quite high. Can you still expect to gain a good amount of mass compared to deca or test.

I Mean muscle is muscle, weather its from dbol or eq its all the same lol. So im still trying to understand what benefits primobolan can offer over something cheap and effective like deca.

can anyone whos used it to bulk and eating big amounts of calories chime in please.

for the price of 10x primo I can get 20 deca lol.

[Mockingbird]

to put it in a short concise way, its the rich mans steroid, its very "clean" low sides and is very effective when used in large amounts.

farm only for celebrities? )))

[stilltheone]

If any of you remember satchboogie, he used to say "the real magic of Primo only comes at 1g+ a week. And while primo is more expensive than most, it's certainly way cheaper than when I first started. Back then, primo enth was $36 per gram. There are a few trustworthy and reliable guys that have very high 'quality' primo and other products in stock

I can tell you this from experience, if your bodyfat % is already low, like 12% and under, and your training/diet/rest are right, including cardio, you run 1g primo a week and you'll have a new opinion of how exotic/great primo really is. Even at doses 1g+, virtually no side effects.

[stilltheone]

if using primobolan to bulk and your bodyfat is quite high. Can you still expect to gain a good amount of mass compared to deca or test.

I Mean muscle is muscle, weather its from dbol or eq its all the same lol. So im still trying to understand what benefits primobolan can offer over something cheap and effective like deca.

can anyone whos used it to bulk and eating big amounts of calories chime in please.

for the price of 10x primo I can get 20 deca lol.

Roger what is your main goal right now? give some stats and a little more detail and I can give you better advice