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    need advice from the experienced

    I have a lot I am trying to pan out. Recent bw has shown low test. Took bw twice to make sure.
    I am working with my primary health care to figure out. I am just getting started by the way. 1st appt with dr (I think endo urologist) coming up.

    Just insight. Last inj mid dec. Test e 500/wk. No ai no hcg on just after. 8 inj at 2500iu eod plus pct nolv clom. Old method.

    For people that have gone through this what do I need to expect? Is this going to be a slow fix?

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    I would highly suggest posting ALL of your bw results in the HRT sub section. In terms of a "fix", it may be a lifelong endeavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2iron
    I have a lot I am trying to pan out. Recent bw has shown low test. Took bw twice to make sure. I am working with my primary health care to figure out. I am just getting started by the way. 1st appt with dr (I think endo urologist) coming up. Just insight. Last inj mid dec. Test e 500/wk. No ai no hcg on just after. 8 inj at 2500iu eod plus pct nolv clom. Old method. For people that have gone through this what do I need to expect? Is this going to be a slow fix?
    There is no one answer to that question any more than there is one approach to resolving low T. Some specialists may try a program of HCG before jumping into testosterone therapy . Depending on how low your T is, your age, and other health factors, your specialist will choose a specific clinical management plan (CMP) and follow through before making any changes or adjustments depending on how well you respond.

    I've worked with a few young men here who struggled for months to nearly a year with their own specialist whose methods yielded very poor results before we found the proper CMP to stabilize their levels in normal ranges.

    Any time you use anabolics on your own, especially when the cycle is poorly run, there is no way to know how much damage you've caused and how long it will take to restart your endocrine system - if at all.

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    T is 183ng/dl 32yo. Even if planning to cycle again the first step going forwardis to have patience and see this through correct? Ultimately will have to be adrressed at some point.

    The route of a new properly run cycle wont help me right?

    is trt something I should not look forward to? In back of my mind it doesnt seem like a bad deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    There is no one answer to that question any more than there is one approach to resolving low T. Some specialists may try a program of HCG before jumping into testosterone therapy . Depending on how low your T is, your age, and other health factors, your specialist will choose a specific clinical management plan (CMP) and follow through before making any changes or adjustments depending on how well you respond.

    I've worked with a few young men here who struggled for months to nearly a year with their own specialist whose methods yielded very poor results before we found the proper CMP to stabilize their levels in normal ranges.

    Any time you use anabolics on your own, especially when the cycle is poorly run, there is no way to know how much damage you've caused and how long it will take to restart your endocrine system - if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2iron View Post
    I have a lot I am trying to pan out. Recent bw has shown low test. Took bw twice to make sure.
    I am working with my primary health care to figure out. I am just getting started by the way. 1st appt with dr (I think endo urologist) coming up.

    Just insight. Last inj mid dec. Test e 500/wk. No ai no hcg on just after. 8 inj at 2500iu eod plus pct nolv clom. Old method.

    For people that have gone through this what do I need to expect? Is this going to be a slow fix?
    So are you saying you havn't started the HCG/nolva/clomid pct protocol? and your bloods were drawn prior to starting this pct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnnyBlazzze View Post
    So are you saying you havn't started the HCG/nolva/clomid pct protocol? and your bloods were drawn prior to starting this pct?
    I used the old Llewellyn anaboloics 9th ed pct. hcg after cycle w/nolv clom

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    Sorry bro i'm not the brightest crayon in the box so help me get this timeline straight.

    You ran your cycle, did the pct protocol mentioned above, then you drew blood and had low T?

    If I got this right then just stick to your doctor visits. See what he has to say and what he recommends.

    how long were you on cycle? what dosages of clomid and nolva? and you only ran the hcg for 8 injections eod some im guessing around 2 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnnyBlazzze View Post
    Sorry bro i'm not the brightest crayon in the box so help me get this timeline straight.

    You ran your cycle, did the pct protocol mentioned above, then you drew blood and had low T?

    If I got this right then just stick to your doctor visits. See what he has to say and what he recommends.

    how long were you on cycle? what dosages of clomid and nolva? and you only ran the hcg for 8 injections eod some im guessing around 2 weeks?
    Yeah I wasn't that clear even on 2nd go. But yes bw 6-8wks after pct.
    40/40/20/20 75/75/50/50. 2 wks of hcg 20k iu.

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