Tren side effects??

[Matt007]

Great info and post! lots of good advice! I will definitely buy acne pads aka OXY PADS!
I plan to buy Arimidex or Anastrozole 1 mg/ed for week 1-12. do i need to still use it during pct or after last injection or no?

burn more calls while on tren? so what happens if i continue to run hour a day? i do 30 min stair master 30 min run on treadmill…main goal is to loose weight but gain muscle… trying to get toned with this cycle not bulk! any advice? is my cardio okay for cutting?

Hardly do any cardio, my cardio comes from biking to and from work, 20min there, and 20min back, other then that my diet is where I make it happen, f cardio lmao

[Matt007]

As far as diet goes I use dif approaches when dieting down, but cycling your carbs and or adding refeeds on low carb diets work wonders, u want to turn your metabolism into a fat burning furnace creating your body always guessing
Right now fasting, 16 hour fast with a 8 hour window to eat, always nice to use dif approaches like I said to keep your body guessing
Refeeds also help upregulate alot of things as well incl your thyroid

[< <Samson> >]

Running 80mg QD alongside Prop&Mast of the same dose since it's a 50/50/50 mix

BP is stable & not too high(running asperin & Cialis daily)

Shortness of breath is quite annoying

Strength is the best it has been/even while eating 800 cal uder maint

Libido is all over the place

Running Letro EOD @ .25mg, caber @ .25mg 2x per week


Don't try that yourself, it's tough at times. Sleep starts to suffer without an aid. Also my lipid profiles have to be complete crap. Plus this shit is harsh on your prostate. So far I seem to be okay, ending first week at the new dose. But, I only intend to run this until I start not being able to handle the sides like last year. Last time, I lasted 7+ weeks.

[tectime]

Oh yea ! Don't you love it when your shoulders start looking like a road map! Veins running just barely under the skin and as big as a #2 pencil ! Dude ! Your starting to so good on your cycle man ! You've made a lot of progress and have pics to prove Good job Matt!

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And Samson don't you love those sweaty sleep alittle wake up nights ! I didn't have that two bad ever not even when I ran deca with my stack. Now that's talking major shutdown. Sometimes that shot hits you just right and you cough so hard it knocks you to your knees ! Only tren ever to do that one . Put all in all right if you can handle what tren brings to the table the benefits are amazing but it's not for the light hearted or the only alittle knowledge group really I can't think of any real reason a normal gym going kind of guy would need or want to use it ! Hahaha ! How many normal dudes you think is on this forum ?! Haha! You really have to be willing to go all in when you first decide to take the plunge tren is king of steroids but the king don't **** around !

[< <Samson> >]

Ha, I never get night sweats. But, I stay hot at all times - when I lift or do work I seat 10x more than usual.

Nothing else real bad - but, I'm on a nasty Ai trying to keep my estro down, but not dead. From what I figure, it's possibly from my high test dose since it's a damn even mix. Last year the mast & tren was more that double of test & I had no e sides.

[tectime]

If all other factors close to the same probably so. I liked to run tes as high or alittle higher than the tren . Last time was alittle over a year ago with deca added 400t/300d/ 375tr man that one may be the last tren ride I partake in. Very good run just alittle hard on my left rear delt, left front delt, and left upper bicep and not all at once. The ol tren just kept saying " oh come on dude you can lift more than that it really doesn't hurt " haha took a couple of months Weinie weight lifting to get back up in lift weight but even light loading I stayed trenned up !

[< <Samson> >]

It's the combo that kicked my ass last summer. So winded, the lack of sleep & the sweating + it makes me feel odd. I control myself very well, but this shit make me feel like my mind was slipping. It seemed heat related. This time I'm as ready as I can be, pounding 2 gals of water per day & doing just low intensity cardio.

And of course that awesome taste of steel in my mouth. Lol

[tectime]

Oh you have def done some good tren from the side you just described! Man flooding my mind with the memories ! Hahaha yea It will make a guy alittle off in the head did it to me too very intense thoughts. And I'm very level headed myself. I wonder if the dude that started this still thinking about his idea. Hahaha ! The good and the bad ! And the sex drive boom dude but if that e gets away from you all the drive is for not haha ! Thank God our bodies are able to reset them selfs!

[< <Samson> >]

Yeah, last tren run was awesome - then right after finishing, my e spiked, moobs began to ache. I dropped it out with letro & all was fine until I hit the tren again. I have no clue what happened. It was tren that seemed to have caused the first flare up.

Now, I get to fight my damn e levels. It sucks total ass - running letro for an Ai, wtf

Yeah, the 2 nd flare up happened right when I started just test prop & ace. That shit hurt like a mother. Couldn't lay on my stomach and chest, straight out of nowhere. It's possible it was an overlap in test, since I was running test e @ 400mg per week. Then switched to 100mg of prop with the same of tren.


I feel solid but the estro creeps so fast. I was running Stane at 12.5mg Qd, dropped to EOD. On the 3rd day, my tits started to ache. So, I said **** it & run a low dose letro.

Yet last year I only took 12.5mg of Stane 2x per week & had zero e sides. It made me think I was not prone to e spikes or gyno. Yeah - this year, wtf

[what?]

Tren veins bro haha, love it, either tren hates u, loves u, or u just ride it out, I personally love it and only run my trt dose 200mg/week along side pinning 150mg eod tren a and always get great results, people add in other shit, but u really dont need much more with proper dieting and training
Just remember if u do comite to it tren does shut u down hard like any 19nor, so know the risks involved as well
While I am still on my cut I droped down to a low of 175lbs from weeks 1-12, since adding in tren I have gained quite of bit of lbm hanging on to pretty much the same bf 192.2lbs at 10% bf, I am in a contest and it ends in a month so hopefully be able to lean down to 7% or so, been a long ass cut 18 weeks now but if it wasnt for this schredder contest I am in and prize money involved I would be doing a recomp by now

looking good bro good experience u share!

[what?]

Oh dude you have to have an a.i. no what ifs there! I wouldn't even inject my hrt doses without it. A whole lot more than bloat will get you. High estrogen in men is very dangerous not to mention a real life bitch to deal with. Avoid it and take your ai. I never come off so I don't want to say anything about pct. I don't put out what I don't know about. But take your ai everyday on that cycle you are proposing. With tren if you don't control your estrogen the prolactin monster will get you and that's no take a few bromos and it's cool. It will kill the whole cycle experience for you! No doubt about it. I think you can buy stuff like anastrozole from the web I don't know ? All mine comes from my doc. I've got buddies that get it somewhere but a lot of times I hear them complaining about the effectiveness or lack there of. But dude for real study up, keep asking questions, train hard, run on that treadmill all you want, ( cause you will give that up soon on the tren. You won't have the air to pull that shit off. Haha! Now did I read where you don't think that lifting too heavy is going to be a problem. Oh dude you might want to rethink that part because tren is not an aerobic it's an anabolic and you are going to want to lift heavy! Even if you don't the tren monster will ! Dude tren is a body, mind, attitude, damn near a personality changer. One needs to be very prepared and very disciplined to even consider using tren. oh and what roughneck was saying about the utilization of calories while on tren is correct. Tren was developed for beef cattle to allow calves to gain as much weight as possible in as short a period of time as possible. Everytime I've used tren all my gains are lean rock hard ripped muscle. I stay at about 11%bf eat very clean so my gains on just tes are always lean keepers And since I never come off maintaining it's easy money. But tren man ripping full veiny thin skinned swelled up oh dude I can't talk about it any more I just got out of the gym and if it wasn't for talk and text it would be a bitch holding my phone up this long! Hahaha I love this shit! Ok back to this For real for you and anyone contemplating such a journey be prepared be overly prepared.

great post! just a general ? at what point do u take bromo? and what does it do?

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Hardly do any cardio, my cardio comes from biking to and from work, 20min there, and 20min back, other then that my diet is where I make it happen, f cardio lmao

lol i hear u bro i use to hate cardio but I'm trying to loose some weight but gain good muscle at same time!

[what?]

Is there a website on here or any where that sells colmid/nolvadex /arimidex /? i need pct and AI…any info would be great!

[ppwc1985]

Is there a website on here or any where that sells colmid/nolvadex/arimidex/? i need pct and AI...any info would be great!

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do they ship to canada?

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if taking arimidex to reduce estrogen levels it should be okay to take letro to reduce water retention with it? so I've heard for adex to take 1mg ed and heard EOD so which one is the correct method ? and letro sounds like a good idea cuz i hate getting bloated with water retention! at what dose u guys recommend the letro through out cycle?

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good product on the site but why is it so expensive

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also why isn't any tablet form of clen /adex on this site? only liquid form! u drink the liquid form right?

[ppwc1985]

Yes to canada, yes to liquid form and they send you a oral syringe with your order. The adex is usually dosed at .25 mg EOD. If you feel u need more just up the dose to say .50. Idk about letro, never used it because my AI usually keeps bloat to a min. And their products are good that's why so expensive.

[what?]

Yes to canada, yes to liquid form and they send you a oral syringe with your order. The adex is usually dosed at .25 mg EOD. If you feel u need more just up the dose to say .50. Idk about letro, never used it because my AI usually keeps bloat to a min. And their products are good that's why so expensive.

thats true I'm gonna definitely buy the adex and letro on that site

can any one confirm if stacking both while on cycle should be okay? cuz they do different things to help u on cycle…

[Roughneck82]

Dude you have to use an AI when 19nor compounds, the arimidex from the AR-R is legit. That's what I use. Right now I'm on 450mgs test PP, and 300mgs tren A. Right now. .3cc eod of arimidex is working good for me right now. If you don't use the AI you duck won't get hard, you will turn into a B---h and start crying over chick flicks. You can't over do you AI also, you will crash your estrogen, and that's terrible also. It will fell like you we're run over by a big rig. If you just figure out you diet, your TDEE, get your proteins in, and eat at a 500 cal def a day, the cardio will only need to be a minimum. Not saying you can't do the cardio your doing now but it's going to be tuff. Every one wants to lose weight and gain muscle, better idea is to maintain weight but lose bf and inches and gain muscle.

[Roughneck82]

Was suppose to be. You CAN over do your AI.

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Dude you have to use an AI when 19nor compounds, the arimidex from the AR-R is legit. That's what I use. Right now I'm on 450mgs test PP, and 300mgs tren A. Right now. .3cc eod of arimidex is working good for me right now. If you don't use the AI you duck won't get hard, you will turn into a B---h and start crying over chick flicks. You can't over do you AI also, you will crash your estrogen, and that's terrible also. It will fell like you we're run over by a big rig. If you just figure out you diet, your TDEE, get your proteins in, and eat at a 500 cal def a day, the cardio will only need to be a minimum. Not saying you can't do the cardio your doing now but it's going to be tuff. Every one wants to lose weight and gain muscle, better idea is to maintain weight but lose bf and inches and gain muscle.

GREAT POST!

General ? i have is when must you take BROMO? when you experience milky tits like females ?? and if u do at what dose do u gotta run the bromo through out cycle and how often?

pls answer this for me and Iill be clear on mostly everything! thanks!

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also is broom illegal like a steroid is? i just read about it recently and how its needed for a tren cycle to have on hand! I'm guessing i can't go to my local pharmacy store do purchase it right? i also didn't see it listed on AR website cuz i do need to grab it and was hoping they would have it alongside the adex/letro/colmid/nolvadex that they have which ill be purchasing!

[Ashop]

About to run Tren soon…I hear positive and negative feedback but heard side effects can be lots of acne/stiffness of muscle…

what are the experiences of some users with running Tren? positive/negative both pls thanks! also was told its best injected EOD 100 mgs?

TREN is for the very well advanced athlete ONLY!! I think you should NEVER run it without some additional
testosterone and your 1st run should be a much lower dose to check you tolerance.

[tectime]

Dude bromo is not illegal but it is prescription so your not going to find real bromo anywhere very easy. You will know when you need to add it to your mix and only use if if you need it. It's not like anastrozole you don't take it as a preventer it's a stopper. If you don't control your estrogen your prolactin levels will rise. The male human has no use for prolactin in our system at all. It is the chemical that induces lactation of breast milk. If your estrogen gets out of control gyno will flare and no ai will curb that type of gyno so in comes the bromo. Study up on the effects of high estrogen in males and learn what to do to control it, what foods and vit will help to metabolize it really you need to know as much about estrogen as you need to know about testosterone if you want to have a good safe productive cycle. You only get the best results when you keep your estrogen in check. Unless you think that a moon pie face bloated bitchy pimpled up smooth body is what you want ! Hahaha! Right ! Not the trip you want to take right there. Keep researching and asking questions but do some researching so you have good questions to ask.

[< <Samson> >]

No clue on bromo, never came across it. My e levels just can't be controlled any more, I don't know why. I ran the same shit before without issues. But, now no Ai keeps my e levels in check. No normal Ai at least, I am running letro @ .25mg EOD & all seems well now. A year ago I barely ran a Ai, yet didn't have any issues at all.


Also running Raloxifine to reverse the little bit of shit that's already here.

There are so many meds to this. The juice itself is about one third compared to the rest of the crap we either take or keep on hand.

Yet, there are a lucky few that get away without taking much if anything without sides.


Our, body does what it wants with what we give it. There is no 100% or even close standardization to any of this.

[what?]

TREN is for the very well advanced athlete ONLY!! I think you should NEVER run it without some additional
testosterone and your 1st run should be a much lower dose to check you tolerance.

300 mgs/week tren 600 mgs/week test e

[what?]

so running an AI alone like arimidex wont be good enough? need bromo on hand? use bromo when my estrogen levels get really high up and i feel breast issues?

[what?]

guess i can't buy it from a pharmacy store can't i go to a dr and ask for prescription of it? lol my doc is cool wtf do i tell him i need it for tho say I'm juicing and to prevent high estrogen levels?

[what?]

No clue on bromo, never came across it. My e levels just can't be controlled any more, I don't know why. I ran the same shit before without issues. But, now no Ai keeps my e levels in check. No normal Ai at least, I am running letro @ .25mg EOD & all seems well now. A year ago I barely ran a Ai, yet didn't have any issues at all.


Also running Raloxifine to reverse the little bit of shit that's already here.

There are so many meds to this. The juice itself is about one third compared to the rest of the crap we either take or keep on hand.

Yet, there are a lucky few that get away without taking much if anything without sides.


Our, body does what it wants with what we give it. There is no 100% or even close standardization to any of this.

so u don't run an AI or Bromo just letro and ur fine? lol what u do when u get high estrogen the letro alone does the job?

[MuscleInk]

so u don't run an AI or Bromo just letro and ur fine? lol what u do when u get high estrogen the letro alone does the job?

Letrozole IS an aromatase inhibitor - one of the harshest. What did you think it was?

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Letrozole IS an aromatase inhibitor - one of the harshest. What did you think it was?

Letrozole is One of the strongest Aromatase-inhibitors, Letrozole literally "sucks" the estrogen from lipid (fat) cells, thus dramatically decreasing water retention.

I know what it is lol I took it on my 1st cycle! really helped me keep the water retention down… I was just shocked that he doesn't use an AI but he said he used letro to keep his estrogen levels down! how does that work?

[MuscleInk]

Letrozole is One of the strongest Aromatase-inhibitors, Letrozole literally "sucks" the estrogen from lipid (fat) cells, thus dramatically decreasing water retention.

I know what it is lol I took it on my 1st cycle! really helped me keep the water retention down... I was just shocked that he doesn't use an AI but he said he used letro to keep his estrogen levels down! how does that work?

Letrozole is an AI. It inhibits androgenic conversion to estrogen - thus it prevents serum estrogen from rising.

[btc89]

whats lactating nipples? i heard bad acne I'm scared lol i should have never bough the tren and never will again but i have 60 mls of it can't just throw it away!

what u mean it shuts u down pretty hard? erectile dysfunction meaning what i can't piss any more? is it this bad? how do ppl use it and get away with it than?

Lactating nipples basically means your nipples could have prolactin, an enzyme in breast milk, could secrete. By shutdown, your HPTA axis is what I'm referring to. Your testes will stop working and likely shrink. As for erectile dysfunction, that means you can't achieve an erection. Low sex drive doubled with no boners is going to be pretty lame.

[< <Samson> >]

All is well now with this new harsh ass combo

Ummm, yeah - Letro is an Ai, the roughest Ai

Before I just used Stane @ 12.5mg 2x a week & was totally fine. But, after a run on tren e - all shit got skewed & body seems to go estro crazy

I still run caber, I love being able to hold my nut back 3x longer.


Tren & all juice should not be handled lightly. You'll weep like b!tch if your estro spikes & your moobs ache so bad you can't lay on your chest.

Shit happens - you stick a fvcking giant needle in your body & sometimes you get a adverse reaction.



As far as doses - well to each is own. I seem to tolerate a lot. I don't know how or why, but all is stable at 600mg of tren ace per week.

[MuscleInk]

All is well now with this new harsh ass combo

Ummm, yeah - Letro is an Ai, the roughest Ai

Before I just used Stane @ 12.5mg 2x a week & was totally fine. But, after a run on tren e - all shit got skewed & body seems to go estro crazy

I still run caber, I love being able to hold my nut back 3x longer.


Tren & all juice should not be handled lightly. You'll weep like b!tch if your estro spikes & your moobs ache so bad you can't lay on your chest.

Shit happens - you stick a fvcking giant needle in your body & sometimes you get a adverse reaction.



As far as doses - well to each is own. I seem to tolerate a lot. I don't know how or why, but all is stable at 600mg of tren ace per week.

LMAO - yup, TRUTH.

Trensomnia ramping up nicely now. I managed to stay awake all night long. This day is going to suck.

[< <Samson> >]

Trensomnia ramping up nicely now. I managed to stay awake all night long. This day is going to suck.

Trensomnia? I get dicksomnia - I just can't sleep until I hump for over an hour. I wake up & have to do it all over again.

It's kinda cool, but it gets old. It's weird


Same shit happened last year. Then it creeps into the day - I get strung out on pvssy & get all agitated when I don't get any.


The woman says I get a crazy look in my eye. Looking like I'm gonna nail her to death.


Might be the mast too - seems aight so far though. But, I feel it creeping up ever since I got my estro in check.

[MuscleInk]

Trensomnia? I get dicksomnia - I just can't sleep until I hump for over an hour. I wake up & have to do it all over again.

It's kinda cool, but it gets old. It's weird


Same shit happened last year. Then it creeps into the day - I get strung out on pvssy & get all agitated when I don't get any.


The woman says I get a crazy look in my eye. Looking like I'm gonna nail her to death.


Might be the mast too - seems aight so far though. But, I feel it creeping up ever since I got my estro in check.

Mast is my favorite compound for that. My wife never looks forward to my tren /mast stack - although I will say, having her on anavar helps!