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    1. cycle, and a bit more educated

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    Still a hardgainer, ectomorph and probably not eating enough, but no eating disorders(but i will follow muscleink advise, i.e. nutrition and I will not try the andriol tablets).
    TDEE: 2750, and will increase to 3250, i.e P, C and F to 40%, 30% and 30%(too high F?)

    I am now 35 yo, been training with weights since 18 yo(but not only), and i want to challenge myself and gain some muscles. I have gained around 22 lb(10kg) the last 10 years( i know, not very impressive).
    Weight: 160 lb/73 kg, height: 6 feet/183 cm. BF: maybe 12-15%(not more).
    Photos will come before I start.
    Goal would be to gain 7-8 lb/3,5 kg of muscles(maybe a bit to optimistic?), and i want to keep the gains(motivation to train is not a trouble, but because of my job the calorie intake is sometimes out of my hands, but then again, it is about priority)

    I was thinking about taking andriol 40 mg kapsuls(2 x 3 ED) but have come to my senses after reading the advise of many of the very knowledgeable persons in the forum regarding how to plan the 1. cycle(you all know who I mean, trying not to break any rules by mention any names). I have everything "on hand".

    1: on cycle
    i) test enanthate 250 mg i.m. every 5. days for 12 weeks.
    ii) Arimidex 0,25 mg EOD
    ii) HCG 250 IU sub-q 2/week up to 3 days before PCT.
    iii) NAC 1200 mg ED
    iv) Maybe some kind of DHT-inhibitor like finasterid 1,25 mg ED(but that would maybe be for the rest of my life?), and topical spironolactone and ketokonazol shampoo.

    2: Post-cycle for 4 weeks: SERM
    i) Tamoxifen 40/20/20/20 mg ED.
    ii) Clomiphene 75/50/50/50 mg ED.

    3: I had quite a lot of questions last time i posted, but since this is my first cycle(and after trying to read some of the(excellent info on this forum(not trying to kiss too much ass may I add) I will try to keep it simple(keep it simple stupid as imagine what more experienced people would tell me):

    4: My friend who is quite experienced regarding AAS said that test-e 250 mg every 5. days in stead of 3.5 days should be enough for a 1. cycle (he is definitely a good friend and trying take care of me) instead of 2 x pr week.(he said that maybe tbol during the cycle will be ok also, but i have read that a "virgin" like me should stick to only test), would be enough to make gains, but what do you guys thinks?

    5: Imagine i did take test-e 250 mg every 5. day; should i still take HCG 250 IE subQ 2 x a week?

    6: Is it possible to gain some muscles after this cycle?

    This post got way to long(again), i apologize in advanced for stealing the time from the people reading this.
    PS: sorry for repeting my self. Every answer will be extremely appreciated!

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    PSS: PCT will start 14 days after last test-e injection

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    Test e every 3.5 days. Even every 5 days there would be weeks with 2 pins. So a little confused there

    So you would be averaging about 375 mg a week?
    Last edited by Capebuffalo; 07-29-2014 at 04:27 PM.

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    What he meant that I would see gains even with pinning every 5. day(or maybe 4. day), he was not thinking about any specific day of the week to pin if you know what I mean. Thanks for the quick reply anyway, and I would listen to the guys in the forum of course.

    May I ask you a question mr Capabebuffo: what do you think about finasterid(alpha-5-reductase), is that something that i would have to use for the rest if my life to prevent the hairloss that i might "save" by using it during a cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatus78 View Post
    May I ask you a question mr Capabebuffo: what do you think about finasterid(alpha-5-reductase), is that something that i would have to use for the rest if my life to prevent the hairloss that i might "save" by using it during a cycle?
    Im not Mr. Capabebuffo but will pitch in. It may not be wise to add more drugs to the mix, specially in a 1st cycle. If there are side effects you will not know if its from the steroids or the finasteride. Finasteride is not a magic drug for bald guys, its a tool to reduce DHT and it can have side effects.

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    Mr capabebuffo.
    Now that's some respect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Im not Mr. Capabebuffo but will pitch in. It may not be wise to add more drugs to the mix, specially in a 1st cycle. If there are side effects you will not know if its from the steroids or the finasteride. Finasteride is not a magic drug for bald guys, its a tool to reduce DHT and it can have side effects.
    Couldn't have said it better Mr. BB.

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    Thanks for all the replies guys, and i will not start with finasterid or put any more into the "mix". Mr Derekjpapa could be right, maybe bald is the new beautiful!

    This is why i like this forum, people with real experience try to give sound advice, again, much obliged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Test e every 3.5 days. Even every 5 days there would be weeks with 2 pins. So a little confused there

    So you would be averaging about 375 mg a week?
    Yes(sorry for not answering your questions the first time), is that a too low dosis? What about 400 mg pr week?

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    Yes I have, and that the way to go is 250 mg test e x 2 a week. And I will try to follow all the other advise that austinite is writing. I will probably come up with more stupid questions the closer I get to start the cycle, and probably also during and after, so please be patient with me. Again, thanks for all the response so far

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