Bunk Gear?? - Blood tests results

[oxymoron]

Hi there,

I am certain that the gear I have been taking is junk and recently took a blood test to confirm it.

I am 32, on week 8 of gear, currently taking

350 mg Test cypionate 3 times per week
75 mg tren A EOD
1/2 armidex EOD

Blood test results show

Total Testosterone 7.51 ng/mL
Total Estrogen 105 pg/ml

Now obviously the gear is underdosed/bunk as my test levels should be much much higher.
But why are my estrogen levels so high?

My coach told me
You're estrogen is super high (which means there's a lot of aromatization going on (which means there has to be testosterone in what you're injecting). Maybe you're losing all your test to estrogen? Gotta increase antiestrogens

But shouldn't I have wayyyyy higher testosterone levels .

I definitely do not feel like I am on anything and have experienced no sides the entire cycle. In fact I feel like shit and am tired all day long.

Kidney and Liver levels are twice as high as normal range.

Any ideas here guys?

[oxymoron]

Could the test be incorrect?

[lovbyts]

The tren is making your E2 high so at least that is real. It may still be under dosed.

[oxymoron]

Okay, please forgive me for asking again, but shouldn't my total testosterone be higher than 751 ng/dl ?

[oxymoron]

Thanks for answering by the way bud,
I'm so confused at the moment that I do not know how to proceed here...

I flew all the way down and rented a place in Mexico to do this 4 month cycle and things are kinda coming apart here at week 8.

[m314]

Okay, please forgive me for asking again, but shouldn't my total testosterone be higher than 751 ng/dl ?

I'd think it would be higher than that. It would be much lower if you had real tren and fake test, though. Your test might be real but underdosed.

You could try switching to a different brand of test and getting new blood work. You could also try raising your dose with the same test and getting new blood work.

[oxymoron]

I was under the impression that my test levels should be well into the 3000-5000+ ng/dl range at this level of dosage?

Am I missing something here?

[oxymoron]

I should add the first 6 weeks looked like this

250 mg test cypionate 3x per week
200 mg Equi EOD
3 IU's GH ED
1/2 g arimidex EOD

Weeks 7-12
350 mg test cypionate 3x per week
75 mg Tren Acetate EOD
3 IU's GH ED
1/2 g arimidex EOD


Am currently on week 8

[m314]

I was under the impression that my test levels should be well into the 3000-5000+ ng/dl range at this level of dosage?

Am I missing something here?

Are you taking 350 mg/week of test or 1050 mg/week? Either way your total testosterone should be higher. I was thinking it might be underdosed because your total test would be much lower on tren alone. Tren is highly suppresive.

You say you've experienced no sides, but feeling like shit and being tired all day is a side effect. That's been my experience with tren, actually. That's why I won't touch it again.

I wish they offered a blood test for tren. You should have seen some results along with the sides by now if it was real tren.

[oxymoron]

Thanks for your help bro.
1050 mg/week of test

Feeling tired and weak since starting about the 2 week mark on this cycle, including the test and equi phase.
No tren cough, no night sweats, no acne, hair growth or loss.

I have gained some weight and some strength increase but also radically shocked my system with a very clean bulking diet and new Dorian Yates style heavy intensity training routine (45 mins 4 times per week)

I want this tremendous amount of planning and investment to pay off more than anything. But am having some concerns...
Additionally I have since found some very bad review on this forum about this particular Mexican UGL.

Really am just trying to figure out if I should stop now and start pct then try to find another source, or if I continue this 18 week journey until the end even with the negative source reviews and strange blood test results?

Thanks again for your help bro. I'm pretty confused as you can see lol.

[tectime]

Dude on 1000 mgs tes a wk your tes levels should be thru the roof so you can add to that ugl to the list. Your tes is bunk no doubt! Your tren may be real since that wore out tired feeling is estrogen/prolactin related. If you can't get some real tes to pop your levels back up bale out of that cycle. Really with that tren in you you need to find some good tes. Mexico is not a good place to get steroids anymore. If you can't get any good tes abort quickly for real! Tren alone is a very very bad idea. Don't even try to stay on without some tes.

[oxymoron]

Well, I have to admit this is not what I was hoping to hear but was the information I was expecting.

I understand that the tren will inhibit my test levels but even though that may be the case I still was expecting to see higher total testosterone levels with the dosage I am taking.

Perhaps it is time to head back to the US, heal and try again.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

All your gear is bunk including your AI.
Your test is in range.
If your testosterone was real you would be above range.

Your total estrogens is in range. The range is 45-115.
If your AI were real you would have crushed your estrogens since you wouldn't need it since your testosterone is bunk.

Your tren is bunk. If your tren was good you would be suppressed and your testosterone levels would be crashed.

FYI, most people recommend testing your estradoil level not your total estrogen level.
Estradoil is E2. Total estrogens is E1 + E2 + E3.

[oxymoron]

All your gear is bunk including your AI.
Your test is in range.
If your testosterone was real you would be above range.

Your total estrogens is in range. The range is 45-115.
If your AI were real you would have crushed your estrogens since you wouldn't need it since your testosterone is bunk.

Your tren is bunk. If your tren was good you would be suppressed and your testosterone levels would be crashed.

FYI, most people recommend testing your estradoil level not your total estrogen level.
Estradoil is E2. Total estrogens is E1 + E2 + E3.

I'm fairly certain the Arimidex is at least real as the packaging and pill design is exactly as to be expected and looks exactly like the link on this forum. I could be wrong, but I would be very shocked.

If this is the case then wow....
Arimidex is even fake?

Do others also agree with this analysis?

Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.

So assuming I have been taking sugar pills and injecting grapeseed oil for the last 2 months I am guessing I can get away with no PCT?

[oxymoron]

It's really tough to know which advice to take... I just want to do what is best for my body and can accept the financial loss and waste of time as a lesson learned, as disappointing as that may be.

[oxymoron]

The tren is making your E2 high so at last astronauts that is real. It may still be under dosed.

What I find most confusing is this post by the most "knowledgeable forum member" in the thread saying that it is real?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

What I find most confusing is this post by the most "knowledgeable forum member" in the thread saying that it is real?

People often refer to estradoil as estrogen since it is a type of estrogen. The reason I noticed that is wasn't estradoil is that you mentioned "total" estrogen.

If your E2 was 110 then your estradoil would be very high indeed.

It is an easy mistake to make. Heck, even your coach made the mistake.

[< <Samson> >]

You flew to Mexico to do a cycle?? You all miss that?

Wtf


Anywho

Running close to a g of test or so per week should have your total test well above 4k

[qscgugcsq]

Tren is calculated as estradiol.

So you are way undedosed...

At 350mg/week I tested at 5300 estradiol

So if you just score at 106 then you might have 5-6mg of tren in it XD

[tectime]

Dude he said the tren is real. And like I said don't do tren only! You need tes or drop that cycle! There is no other choices to consider. Very unhealthy to continue on that path. Fly home recoup test again in a month and see where you are.

[oxymoron]

EXAMEN_____________________RESULTADOS_____________ ______VALORES DE REFERENCIA
Estrógenos Totales____________105.00 pg/mL__________________________20 a 80

[oxymoron]

Yes it looks like this UGL has claimed another victim.
I will be quitting the gear and regrouping here.

I'm just trying to determine if I need to take PCT as well?

Thanks guys

[m314]

It sucks when you plan something out so carefully and it doesn't work out. If it was me, I'd consider bailing and finding a good source for pharm grade test for the next cycle. I know fakes are possible, but I've never bought amps of pharm grade test (test e, omna, or sust) that weren't the real thing.

Good sources for tren shouldn't be hard to find either if you go by online reviews. I've only done 2 tren cycles, but I know I got the real thing both times. I got big results along with big side effects.

The Deadlifting Dog might be right. It might all be fake. There's a chance that it's real but underdosed. Low dose tren + low dose test might give you this kind of result. If you decide to quit, PCT is a good idea just in case.

[oxymoron]

Yeah bud I have to admit I am beyond disappointed. I put in a tremendous effort to do this to the very best of my ability and sadly it went the other way.

[loren]

oxymoron I agree tren is best with test mexico isn't the best supply for gear not to get in your business but there is better places for gear and safer your test level should have been higher not sure how far you had to travel to mexico but seems like a bit of a pain just for a cycle

[oxymoron]

I travel alot and it seemed like a good place where gear was fully legal to go and hang out for a bit. Not really a pain at all, just part of my lifestyle.

[< <Samson> >]

I travel alot and it seemed like a good place where gear was fully legal to go and hang out for a bit. Not really a pain at all, just part of my lifestyle.

Makes sense - gotcha

I got a whole set of Mexico connects & everyone says the same shit. It's just hit or miss at Pharmacia. From what they say, I can get real pharmaceutical test over there no prob - but, everything else really doesn't come from a real Pharmacia.

I haven't been out there for ages - so I can't say for certain. Usually Mx is best for other things

[oxymoron]

Cheers bud,

I actually had my coach recommend a source as I was really cautious about getting ripped off. Funny how that all played out.

[oxymoron]

So I quit the cycle 2 days ago guys and am now headed to the doctor in the morning to grab some pct gear.

Considering my gear was tremendously underdosed, can you please recommend how I should proceed with PCT?

[frighteous]

I think the OP is dumb , and not worth advice imho


but whatever.

[Mp859]

I think the OP is dumb , and not worth advice imho but whatever.

I think you are a jackass. And I think multiple people on here would agree. Quit commenting on threads with pointless negativity. If anyone is dumb it is you. The threads you have started are fvcking ignorant. Now stfu.

[oxymoron]

I think the OP is dumb , and not worth advice imho


but whatever.

Shocking response, it's really a shame you tarnish this community with your childish behavior.

[m314]

So I quit the cycle 2 days ago guys and am now headed to the doctor in the morning to grab some pct gear.

Considering my gear was tremendously underdosed, can you please recommend how I should proceed with PCT?

It's good to have everything on hand for PCT before you start a cycle. If you were in the US, you could order nolva / clomid / aromasin from a research chem site and get it in a day or two. I don't know anything about reliable sources in Mexico.

I'd go with whatever PCT you had planned before. It's better to be safe and do a full PCT with blood work afterwards.

[Bonaparte]

It sounds like all your stuff was fake. I wouldn't bother with PCT, but you could get blood work in 2 weeks to confirm that your T levels are stable.

[Chicagotarsier]

Hell I moved to China so I could cycle without all the drama lol.

You flew to Mexico to do a cycle?? You all miss that?

Wtf


Anywho

Running close to a g of test or so per week should have your total test well above 4k

[mietek]

your armidex is bunk for sure too if estrogen levels are high, it does not work, you might have some other shit inside which are messing with you estrogen.

just stop the cycle, no point pinning corn oil

[oxymoron]

Thanks for all your words of wisdom guys.
I really wish I would of found this forum before all this happened.

I spent a couple $$ on one of the industry's top coaches and trusted him completely to guide me through this process.
I will drop the name of the UGL soon, I'm still trying to get a refund off him for this 1000 dollars worth of hgh i have sitting here. Which sadly is not going well.

With the coach, and the gear I am out about 4.5 k on the whole experience.. ouch.

Time to regroup, and try again here after alot more research.

So I have dropped the cycle 4 days ago and will wait about a couple weeks before new bloodwork and forming a new gameplan.

Really appreciate the help guys.