Need Help 58yr beginner

[Bloodrune]

Hi guys need some help I have used testosterone 3 times so far,but I have been told by friends of friends that I am wasting my time useing testosterone or anything else untill I loss weight first.I have read some of the information in the forums here but again get a little confused.So far my reading has been on Tren and test and how that can help loss weight but unsure of dosage with the tren,I'm in good health and no medical problems,any and all information would be greatly appreciated

[dubrovin1012]

Hi guys need some help I have used testosterone 3 times so far,but I have been told by friends of friends that I am wasting my time useing testosterone or anything else untill I loss weight first.I have read some of the information in the forums here but again get a little confused.So far my reading has been on Tren and test and how that can help loss weight but unsure of dosage with the tren,I'm in good health and no medical problems,any and all information would be greatly appreciated

Stats?

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[Bloodrune]

Thanks for replying as I said new to this so I'm not sure what you mean by stats,

[Euroholic]

What is your weight. Height. Body fat percentage

At your age you should be on trt mate

[ojand]

yea trt . cycle at that age could send u to the cemetery lol

[Bloodrune]

Height 5.10 ft weight 84kg bmi 26.8

[thephoenix25]

Hi,

Whilst TRT is not inevitable for a person your age, it is worth getting your current bloods checked out, if only to see where you are at. It is difficult to tell your body composition from bmi, it is preferred to find your body fat percentage bf%. You would need to be under 15%, preferably less to start a cycle. Tren is a very advanced compound, it is probably sensible to drop it.

This thread should tell you everything you will need to know
My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

This is a thread I started a while ago asking for advice for my friend who is a little older than you
Steroids at 60+ years old

[Joco71]

Def start with blood work its the first step always. Have your GP do blood work.

[thephoenix25]

cycle at that age could send u to the cemetery lol

I'd be interested to see you back up this statement. Cycling at any age has its risks, but I don't know of any that are life threatening without having a pre existing condition, at least at a recreational level. Please build your post count up in a constructive manor.

[Bloodrune]

Thx great info,had my bloods done 2 weeks before I started testosterone It all came back great ecxept my testosterone lvl it was way down like around 6 hence the reason I'm on it. But I thought whilst I'm on testosterone I could use it and others to help me loss some weight. Ive always been in good health before I had a back accident now Ive put on weight and want to loose it, as to eating right no problem been a chef for near 40 yrs guess I'm stuck a little, and if I'm right think my bf was around 39.91

[thephoenix25]

Thx great info,had my bloods done 2 weeks before I started testosterone It all came back great ecxept my testosterone lvl it was way down like around 6 hence the reason I'm on it. But I thought whilst I'm on testosterone I could use it and others to help me loss some weight. Ive always been in good health before I had a back accident now Ive put on weight and want to loose it, as to eating right no problem been a chef for near 40 yrs guess I'm stuck a little, and if I'm right think my bf was around 39.91

Are you taking testosterone on direction from your doctor? If not, it is not wise to "self administer" TRT. If you are on TRT and working with your doctor, you need to look into "blast and cruise". If not and your test is 6 you should go to your doc enquire about getting on TRT.

As for your body fat %, I think there may be a mistake. At a bmi of 26 you are only slightly out of the "normal" range, whereas 39%bf is grossly over weight. Take a look at the attached chart and guestimate your bf.

[Bloodrune]

thx for the reply, looked at your chart I would say I'm in between 30 35 % bracket, and yes I'm doing this with my doctors consent but he allows me to self administer after showing me how and where. Could you please explain what you mean by "blast and cruise" if it is not to much trouble or point me in the right direction to find the information

[thephoenix25]

Ok, three things stand out in my mind.

Firstly it is imperative that you lower your body fat to below 15% Until you have done that, don't even think about using. You'll read about people using steroids to cut down, but those are people who's bf is already low, less than 12%, who want to get even lower. Using steroids at a higher bf is reckless and causes a whole range of bad (and sometime irreversible) side effects. Cutting should be all natural diet and hard work, check out the diet and nutrition section for some ideas.
DIET AND NUTRITION
This will put you in a good position as anyone who can cut from 30% to 15% will have learnt enough about nutrition to successfully manage nutrition while on cycle. My single best tip I could give you here is to track your calories using an app like "myfitnesspal".
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

Second, Just to be clear, if your doctor is prescribing you testosterone and you are injecting it at a dose he prescribes, you are on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy). I don't know how long you've been on TRT or whether your test levels are stable and optimal, you should be absolutely sure your TRT is working and has been for some time before you think about cycling with steroids. You should post in the TRT section and ask some questions there, they are the experts.
Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging

Third, you should have at least 2-3 years of serious and regular weight training experience before you start. This is because you can damage muscles and tendons because of the increase in strength you will experience. Your body needs to be prepared for the extra pressure you will put on it during a cycle

If you can honestly answer "yes" to all of the above points you will be in a position to "consider" a cycle. There is a LOT MORE to it and the decision to cycle shouldn't be taken lightly, it is a risk with some very serious consequences. It is best to educate yourself as much as possible, maybe spend the time you are cutting to research the subject. This forum is the best resource I have found, use it.

Blast and cruise is when a person is on TRT and they periodically increase their dose, just like a cycle, but when they finish they return to their TRT dose. Search this forum, there are lots of post on it.

Read the first link I posted above and now here called "My First Cycle". Whilst this isn't directed at those on TRT, this link contains a whole host of information that you will NEED to know, if you want to cycle safely.
My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Please be responsible and ensure your health is the highest priority here. Its easy to get seduced by the promises that steroids offer and to cut corners to get there a little quicker. It is a false economy, those cut corners will come back to bite you.

[ojand]

I'd be interested to see you back up this statement. Cycling at any age has its risks, but I don't know of any that are life threatening without having a pre existing condition, at least at a recreational level. Please build your post count up in a constructive manor.

cycling at 58 will lead him to heart problems down the road and once he dies his family will blame steroids which is why steroids got illegal in the first place

[thephoenix25]

cycling at 58 will lead him to heart problems down the road and once he dies his family will blame steroids which is why steroids got illegal in the first place

Heart enlargement is a product of significant and prolonged steroid use over a long period of time, usually when HGH is involved. It is not an issue for recreational users with no pre-existing conditions who cycle in a safe manner. I will be the first to admit that steroid use at any age has inherent risks but your propaganda fueled scaremongering is not welcome. I ask again for you to back up your statement.

[ojand]

Heart enlargement is a product of significant and prolonged steroid use over a long period of time, usually when HGH is involved. It is not an issue for recreational users with no pre-existing conditions who cycle in a safe manner. I will be the first to admit that steroid use at any age has inherent risks but your propaganda fueled scaremongering is not welcome. I ask again for you to back up your statement.

its common sense. ppl are dropping dead in their 50s randomly. a cycle will spike his blood pressure like crazy at that age

[Bloodrune]

Thank you thephoenix25, this was what I was hoping for, the information you have given me is great I will check out all the info you have given me.I have already started watching my diet and nutrition but as you said I will wait untill I get my bf down to 15% before I do anything else,I understand what the other guys are saying but what they don't relize is I'm not trying to look like the hulk,your picture you use is the sort of body shape I would like to get back,So I don't intend to go crazy.That is why I've came to this forum to get as much help as possible.I would like to thank all you guys very much for your input,be assured I do not intend to die and give steroids a bad name.Also I will go join a gyme as you suggested I never new you could do any damage to your muscles lifting so again thank you all and hope to talk to you again soon.

[thephoenix25]

Thank you thephoenix25, this was what I was hoping for, the information you have given me is great I will check out all the info you have given me.I have already started watching my diet and nutrition but as you said I will wait untill I get my bf down to 15% before I do anything else,I understand what the other guys are saying but what they don't relize is I'm not trying to look like the hulk,your picture you use is the sort of body shape I would like to get back,So I don't intend to go crazy.That is why I've came to this forum to get as much help as possible.I would like to thank all you guys very much for your input,be assured I do not intend to die and give steroids a bad name.Also I will go join a gyme as you suggested I never new you could do any damage to your muscles lifting so again thank you all and hope to talk to you again soon.

You're welcome

[Wizwell]

its common sense. ppl are dropping dead in their 50s randomly. a cycle will spike his blood pressure like crazy at that age

Many cycle, in a recreational manner, at his age. TRT is a low dose cycle. So upping the dose, cycling conservatively, is going to have him dropping dead out of blue? Shit, I'm going to throw my gear away immediately! BTW, my blood pressure is fine. I would agree with nixing the Tren though.

[ojand]

Many cycle, in a recreational manner, at his age. TRT is a low dose cycle. So upping the dose, cycling conservatively, is going to have him dropping dead out of blue? Shit, I'm going to throw my gear away immediately! BTW, my blood pressure is fine. I would agree with nixing the Tren though.

trt by itself is fine. the old timer doesnt need to add in other stuff to jeopardize his heath for no reason

[thephoenix25]

trt by itself is fine. the old timer doesnt need to add in other stuff to jeopardize his heath for no reason

Honestly man, at 23 you're too young to cycle, you've been a member of this board for less than a month and when you ask questions like this
why is steroids at a young age that bad?

i mean whats so bad about trt? do steroids cause other issues too at a young age besides trt?

I hardly think you're in a position to be giving out advice, don't confuse your opinion as fact.