most aggressive bulk cycle

[kelkel]

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At my competition weekend before last. I weighed in at 200 and have weighed 220 all last week. Gained some fat but not much.

Look great gymfu! What show was it?

[davidtheman100]

The whole idea is growing lean lol

[gymfu]

Look great gymfu! What show was it?

Thanks. Just a local show here in Texas.

[gymfu]

The whole idea is growing lean lol

What doses would you say would be aggressive but not stupid for a test, tren , anadrol bulk?

[NACH3]

What doses would you say would be aggressive but not stupid for a test, tren, anadrol bulk?

Test higher than tren - tren at 450+(I'll let you decide that one) drol(have you ever pulsed an oral)?? It's just gains gain gains w/out the unwanted sides(I did 10on 14off due to sides creeping - once they start showing your defeating the purpose of the pulse) say 100-150mgs ed or on the days your pulsing?!

And use UDCA or NAC/TUDCA... One of em'

[tectime]

You know i like the 1:1 Tes/deca ratio myself, be it 400 or 500 wk about the same for me. What I have noticed is that by cutting my anastrozole dose in half I get faster mass out of either. I'm running a 400/400 right now up 9/10 lbs at 7 wks but BF is about 2% higher. Normally with ai at my reg dose I would only be 4/5 lbs heavier at this point but BF would not have raised any. Now my estrogen is about twice what it normally runs( 30 on bloods two wks ago normally around 18/20.) but still all good. Now with tren I like Tes higher but tren at 300/350 wk is all I ever need. Will prolly run this on out then let deca clear for 8 wks then see if I'm ready for the train ride.

[tice1212]

I think NACH's idea. Here's my opinion:
Wk1-14 Test E 750mg EW
wk 1-12 Tren 400mg EW
Wk1-4 A50 100mg (pulsed) ED

Supports:
Hcg 250iu E3D
NAC 2G ED
adex .30 EOD
Caber .25 E3D
Supps
Protein powder pre & post workout
Creatine: 10gram ED
Joint flex

Peptides:
Mk-677 25mg ED 5days on 2days off
CJC-1295 DAC 1mg E3D

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50 (4wks)
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20/20 (4wks)


Calorie surplus: 700calories more to ur TDEE (trying to say semi cut)

[MrFreshmaker]

I think NACH's idea. Here's my opinion: Wk1-14 Test E 750mg EW wk 1-12 Tren 400mg EW Wk1-4 A50 100mg (pulsed) ED Supports: Hcg 250iu E3D NAC 2G ED adex .50 EOD Supps Protein powder pre & post workout Creatine: 10gram ED Joint flex Peptides: Mk-677 25mg ED 5days on 2days off CJC-1295 DAC 1mg E3D PCT: Clomid: 100/100/50/50 (4wks) Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20/20 (4wks) Calorie surplus: 700calories more to ur TDEE (trying to say semi cut)

Does he needs PCT?He is in TRT already.

[tice1212]

Does he needs PCT?He is in TRT already.

No pct if he is on trt. Didn't see he was on trt.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Piana (no matter what you say guys, i do believe in him) suggests anadrol , tren acetat and sustanon as his all time favourite. He didnt dose it, but lets say 100 mg anadrol 1-6, Tren a 500 mg 1-10 and 750 mg sus 1-12.

Guess you have to put in growth and insulin too aswell as synthol for stubborn parts.

[NACH3]

I think NACH's idea. Here's my opinion:
Wk1-14 Test E 750mg EW
wk 1-12 Tren 400mg EW
Wk1-4 A50 100mg (pulsed) ED

Supports:
Hcg 250iu E3D
NAC 2G ED
adex .30 EOD
Caber .25 E3D
Supps
Protein powder pre & post workout
Creatine: 10gram ED
Joint flex

Peptides:
Mk-677 25mg ED 5days on 2days off
CJC-1295 DAC 1mg E3D

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50 (4wks)
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/20/20 (4wks)


Calorie surplus: 700calories more to ur TDEE (trying to say semi cut)

In bold - regarding the pulse of drol... I did 10on 14off you may respond better to 14on 14off - if sides creep drop it then and there and note what day and drop it the day b4 or 10-12 days...

The point for pulsing is to be able to keep sides at bay while gains gains and gains come(water ret bloat stomach probs) but you can run it longer - 8-10wks in a pulse(with liver support UDCA/OR NAC would do)

[davidtheman100]

Piana (no matter what you say guys, i do believe in him) suggests anadrol , tren acetat and sustanon as his all time favourite. He didnt dose it, but lets say 100 mg anadrol 1-6, Tren a 500 mg 1-10 and 750 mg sus 1-12.

Guess you have to put in growth and insulin too aswell as synthol for stubborn parts.

Try bicep implants, gay tattoos and a sole patch then you'd be spot on. He has his own personal mirror he looks at himself in + he sucks in his cheeks to show his jawline better. Does Rich ever really know how retarded he looks? Probably not...But it's clearly a mental illness...This is a man in his mid 40's mind you....

[tarmyg]

Test Tren and drol is a hard combo to beat period! For MASS OR CUTTING! Just eat bigger Gymfu - I'm running a small amount of test e tren a drol(pulsed - I'll never not pulse another oral again - amazing)

What is pulsing?

[NACH3]

What is pulsing?

A method of taking orals without getting the harsh sides from them... Can run it longer with better results... And keeps sides at bay(this is the main point for doing this) you just gain gain gain w/out the unwanted sides(bloat/water ret/easier on liver/once you see or feel the sides creeping drop it and take note on what day(I pulsed drol for 8-10wks - 10on 14off) I tried extending it to 14on but had stomach problems
IMHO it's also better off keeping the gains as opposed to running a kickstart and getting full of water then pissing it out... It worked very well and I'll never not pulse another oral(especially the heavy hitters like drol/d-bol(tho I've not run d-Bol)

Anything else... Just ask, t!

[gymfu]

I've only used anadrol once, in my last bulk. 50mg ED for 4 weeks.
No bad sides noted. Nothing but good things to report.

My liver enzymes are pretty sensitive to orals. I never got tested that cycle but I know from previous cycles with dbol they would get high pretty quick, even on lower doses.

I would rather go more aggressive on the injectables and keep orals to about 50mg of anadrol as a kick. Or I might try to pulse, interesting idea.

[gymfu]

Kelkel, you have been on these forums for a long time hu? I recognize your name.

[tarmyg]

NACH3,

Just to clarify, you take your oral until you get sides, make a note of how long that was and stop there for X days, then start again and stop 1-2 days before you get the sides?

[NACH3]

NACH3,

Just to clarify, you take your oral until you get sides, make a note of how long that was and stop there for X days, then start again and stop 1-2 days before you get the sides?

Hey t, yeah pretty much -

I'd say drop it b4 the sides at or around day 10-12 on first run -- note how your feeling when dropped(if appetite is still strong - little water Ret/bloat noted etc - just upped water intake) then I tried to go a tad longer - no Bueno lol - so 10on 14off was best for me(some can go longer like 14on/14off

The key to pulsing is to never let the sides creep up on you... If they do youve pulsed too long! So in your first run Id be watching around the 10-14 day mark... I stopped at 10on as I started having problems eating(enough to grow - this happened at or on day 12 for me - so I rather cut it short by a day or two and keep those sides at bay... Once they've started or no more than 14on is the most Id do(if I didn't get any sides by then)...make sense?!

[TheTaxMan]

Sorry for the hijack OP
Im also interested in this pulsing thing
Would like to try it sometime

- Whats a good drol doseage?
- Whats the difference between normal drol and "super"drol?
- Is drol better than dbol ?

And if you ran say a 12 week test enth cycle, and you want to pulse an oral your effectively taking the oral for 5-6 weeks, is it best to pulse from day 1 or wait depending the ester your using?

If doing a test enth 500mg 12 week cycle
Is it best to start pulsing at week 4? And pulse all the way up to PCT?

Or just crack on from day 1? I fear if you did this when your on the "14 days off" your going to have to get through those days off with nothing in your system as the test e isnt fully working?

[NACH3]

Sorry for the hijack OP

Im also interested in this pulsing thing

Would like to try it sometime

Is drol better than dbol ?
This is totally individual
And if you ran say a 12 week test cycle, and you want to pulse an oral your effectively taking the oral for 5-6 weeks, is it best to pulse from day 1 or wait depending the ester your using?
[Bid say wk one w/long esters and I'd finish my pulse on a backload(to finish strong)[/B]
If test e 12 week cycle
Is it best to start pulsing at week 4? And pulse all the way up to PCT?
Or just crack on from day 1? I fear if you did this when your on the "14 days off" your going to have to get through those days off with nothing in your system as the test e isnt fully working?
All depends on your goals
Whats a good drol doseage?
Again this is individual(start w/50mgs and adjust - w/a pulse I've noticed you can take a lager dose as your taking a break every 10-14days
Whats the difference between normal drol and "super"drol?

Its a SARM - all these ?'s... Imo are telling me that you should educate more on these compounds and dosing protocols and it's sometimes just experimenting

[tarmyg]

Nach3,

What orals do you have experience with doing pulsing?

Thanks

[bsh]

Nach3, What orals do you have experience with doing pulsing? Thanks

like to know this as well ^^

[NACH3]

Nach3,

What orals do you have experience with doing pulsing?

Thanks

You can do it w/all orals!

Not ran d-bol(but I would only pulse it tho for sure) to keep the bloat down as low as possible)

I've pulsed drol/var(a whole cycle since one can run it 6-10wks straight as well)/winny(Id more or less backload this or pulse it at higher doses for a tad longer on the back end of a cycle)... I don't run many Orals than what I've just stated - but I'm gonna try tge d-Bol on a test/NPP run next yr...

IMHO, it's definitely for the heavier hitters(not to say the 'more vanilla' orals wouldn't work - it's a great method but like anything it's trial and error - especially your first pulse(just keep a close eye on what your feeling etc at what time(day)...

[tarmyg]

You can do it w/all orals!

Not ran d-bol(but I would only pulse it tho for sure) to keep the bloat down as low as possible)

I've pulsed drol/var(a whole cycle since one can run it 6-10wks straight as well)/winny(Id more or less backload this or pulse it at higher doses for a tad longer on the back end of a cycle)... I don't run many Orals than what I've just stated - but I'm gonna try tge d-Bol on a test/NPP run next yr...

IMHO, it's definitely for the heavier hitters(not to say the 'more vanilla' orals wouldn't work - it's a great method but like anything it's trial and error - especially your first pulse(just keep a close eye on what your feeling etc at what time(day)...

Here is what I am trying to understand. Using pulsing, are we saying that muscle retention becomes better, i.e. using d-bol, which, as far as I know, have a terrible record of retaining muscle mass once a person comes off?

[davidtheman100]

Here is what I am trying to understand. Using pulsing, are we saying that muscle retention becomes better, i.e. using d-bol, which, as far as I know, have a terrible record of retaining muscle mass once a person comes off?

Just wondering why do you think the muscle retention would change? It's still the same compound...I don't think manipulating the use will change it's chemical makeup...

In any case, it takes time to build muscle tissue...The length of time you're using dbol in most cases even at high dosages the amount of muscle tissue you're going to build is still going to be minimalistic unless you want to extend the length of the cycles in which case pulsing probably wouldn't be great at all....This is why many kick start with orals so that they can gain some size + add pump and whatever addition their compound has to offer before the injectables start working....I never think their interpretation is that they're going to retain muscle on them...Just my view on it...Don't really want you to be underwhelmed

[NACH3]

Here is what I am trying to understand. Using pulsing, are we saying that muscle retention becomes better, i.e. using d-bol, which, as far as I know, have a terrible record of retaining muscle mass once a person comes off?

It'll help w/solidifying gains(as I've not seen any difference in strength when not pulsing to while pulsing - while pulsing I may think I'm tad stronger than I am but no weights have changed while not pulsing) - as Dave stated its still the same compound - your pulsing it to run it longer w/out its negative side effects and your gains just keep coming(let's look at it like this - the drug(a-drol) will be dependent on your nutrition/& training like any compound... Usually when you kickstart w/this you'll see drastic strength gains and most of the time water ret as well as stomach problems(not to mention liver damage).... If you keep all of this at bay which starts around the 2 wk mark your just reaping the positives instead of both... And you can run it longer w/better results imho...

[Serotonin]

FWIW, tren doesn't do much for me in bulking either. Nandrolone was better by far. I couldn't handle the sides from tren-ace.

[free_at_last]

1g test/wk
750mg tren -a/wk
100mg drol/ed

[NACH3]

1g test/wk
750mg tren -a/wk
100mg drol/ed

Wow thats a lot of Tren

[TheTaxMan]

Isnt that the equivelant to like 4000mg of test a week lol

[212OlympiaBound]

The one thing i definitely gotta recommend for the oral part is adrol:dbol in a 2:1 ratio.

if 100drol:50dbol ED scares you, try starting at 50drol:25dbol. Amazing combo.

[marcus300]

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At my competition weekend before last. I weighed in at 200 and have weighed 220 all last week. Gained some fat but not much.

You look fuking great, excellent job

[gymfu]

You look fuking great, excellent job

Thanks Marcus

[gymfu]

The one thing i definitely gotta recommend for the oral part is adrol:dbol in a 2:1 ratio.

if 100drol:50dbol ED scares you, try starting at 50drol:25dbol. Amazing combo.

So how is adding a small amount of a weaker compound make a difference? I'm not arguing with you I would just like to know more.

[212OlympiaBound]

So how is adding a small amount of a weaker compound make a difference? I'm not arguing with you I would just like to know more.

Just from my experience, there's some kind of synergy. I don't know how anything works, I just know what works from trying a bunch of different things.

[NACH3]

Just from my experience, there's some kind of synergy. I don't know how anything works, I just know what works from trying a bunch of different things.

I've not ran this stack of drol/d-Bol but have heard it's awesome - I'd definitely pulse them tho to keep your sides at bay and your liver gets a break(take TUDCA/or UDCA IMHO...