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08-10-2016, 08:48 AM #1
Cycle length question
Hi guys .Lets say for the sake of argument John runs a 3 month cycle of test alone he does blood work at the end of the 3 month cycle and everything is good so he decides to run another 3 months cycle adding some other compound to keep up the gains .Something like blast and cruise .If u consider the fact that your test production is already shut down it cant go below zero(ITS SHUT DOWN) .The question is : Does one recover faster from the 3 month cycle than the 6 month cycle using proper pct ?Or is it better if John decides to stay on for life than cycle?
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08-10-2016, 09:05 AM #2
Everyone is different, but the theory is that longer your cycle the harder it is to recover
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08-10-2016, 09:12 AM #3
Why that happens ? If you inject exogenous test on a regural basis by the the end of the 3 months your natural test is ZERO (if not sooner ) ,by the end of the 4 months is zero and so on ...SO in 6 months it wont go below zero so why you recover harder ?Is there any scientific explanation on this ?My point of view is that In all scenarios you have to start recovering from 0 .
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08-10-2016, 09:22 AM #4
Well, let's say John is 21 years old and his HTPA is unlikely to have fully developed then how can that HTPA fully recover when it hasn't fully developed yet? Especially if 21 year old John is taking a whopping 750mg of test per week as his first cycle.
Look, you can run a 8 week cycle and not recover fully or recover quite well. The longer you are shut down however, the chances are the harder it is to actually recover. Not impossible but more unlikely.
If you want to stay on 6 months running a cocktail of drugs that is your choice but we would all love to see pre and post cycle bloodwork.NO SOURCES GIVEN
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08-10-2016, 10:16 AM #5
i was on keto 2 or3 weeks this time period thats why my sugar is low also i started the cycle 2 weeks after this blood work ! If u want any questions about the chinese ask me i would be happy to answer I think in the next couple days i will have the new blood work .Im very curious to see the results.Last edited by KTOUUU; 08-10-2016 at 10:20 AM.
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08-10-2016, 10:35 AM #6Banned
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An easy analogy is a car...
Shut down a car for a day, it starts right up.
Shut down a car for a week, no problem.
Shut down a car for a month, you might have to crank it for a while.
Shut down a car for six months, it might not start back up.
Also, for those under 25....
Your HPTA is still growing.
If you cycle at this time, your HPTA won't grow during your cycle.
Thus, your HPTA will never get to grow to its full potential.Last edited by The Deadlifting Dog; 08-10-2016 at 12:24 PM.
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08-10-2016, 06:39 PM #7Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
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08-10-2016, 11:06 PM #8
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08-10-2016, 11:26 PM #9
Your results will stall from your receptors becoming desensitized. You must come off or "cycle" to get proper results. Now if you are medically in need of trt that is different. Blasting and cruising for the hell of it because you are worried about losing gains is just dumb.
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If are planning to come off & PCT, the shorter the cycle the better
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08-11-2016, 04:00 AM #11
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08-11-2016, 05:02 AM #12Banned
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Originally Posted by KTOUUU
To see if your gear is legit.
To see if your hematocrit is too high.
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08-11-2016, 05:52 AM #13
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08-11-2016, 06:21 AM #14
You guys are correct it's not worth it to go in 6 months !I will go to pct and detoxicate from all the stuff in my body let the receptors heal and come back stronger .I may not compete this time but i still have time i will go in later this year in better shape and win .So should i do bloodwork now or should i do it after pct ?Today is my last pin day .
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08-11-2016, 06:42 AM #15Banned
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Originally Posted by KTOUUU
If not, it could easily be bunk.
What brand is it?
DA is a dopamine antagonist. Generally used or needed when running tren or deca or whenever prolactin is too high.
Donating blood will lower hematocrit.
You can donate blood IF you don't admit to using steroids .
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08-11-2016, 06:44 AM #16Banned
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Originally Posted by KTOUUU
If money isn't a concern, I would do blood work now and 6 weeks after PCT.
IMHO- never cycle if money is a concern
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08-11-2016, 06:55 AM #17
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08-11-2016, 07:26 AM #18
You clearly are not in good health at the time of this bloodwork. Never seen such a bad CBC, a lot of abnormalities in your red blood cells.
Also your kidneys are at the very minimum stressed, which makes cycling not advisable, kidneys dont heal like liver, take care of them you only have 2.
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08-11-2016, 08:15 AM #19
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08-11-2016, 08:45 AM #20
Nutrition is the best way to heal your body. Yes, you can take medication, AAS, and anything else under the sun. I still think a good solid diet with lots of water is the base from which good health is built.
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08-11-2016, 08:56 AM #21
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08-11-2016, 08:59 AM #22
Are you really 21 years old with 320 ng/dL total T?
Nutritionist? what for?
You were were border line anemic, if thats from your nutrition I dont know, full medical assessment is required, hard to do it from a forum, but dont think a nutritionist is the best option.
Take new bloodwork when you are eating and living healthy, without being on stupid keto. Dont forget LH and FSH. For thyroid do TSH, FT3 and FT4. Also b12.
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08-11-2016, 09:03 AM #23
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08-11-2016, 09:08 AM #24
He's not anaemic, those are his physiological numbers.
I also suggest to add thyroid antibodies (for hashimoto's screening), the neutropenia/lymphocytosis in combination with mildly elevated TSH are suspicious.
Also beware that AAS (including test) will deplete your Iron faster than average and will require supplementation.Last edited by hammerheart; 08-11-2016 at 09:11 AM.
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08-11-2016, 09:10 AM #25
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08-11-2016, 10:30 AM #26
OMG AM I GONNA DIE ?? ahahhaha Yes im greek and i was born( cause my father had it) with the half anemia thing but i dont have anemia ! Its called STIGMA thalassemia.
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08-11-2016, 10:30 AM #27
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08-16-2016, 07:09 AM #29
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08-16-2016, 09:06 AM #30
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08-16-2016, 10:55 AM #31
Plus the little iron you have is going to deplete quickly, start supplementing.
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08-16-2016, 11:11 AM #32
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