High dose cycles - experience and questions

[OdinsOtherSon]

Marcus, would please define the typical length of a sbc? Would it be something similar to what hrt guys do with blast/cruise?


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[marcus300]

Marcus, would please define the typical length of a sbc? Would it be something similar to what hrt guys do with blast/cruise?


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A short burst cycle would last for me depending on dose 30days to around 6 weeks but I would often leave them open ended and stop the cycle once the gains have come to an end or the sides start to creep in. Please note a SBC doesn't mean it has to be a high dosed cycle it can be just normal or moderate dose so long as you implement the tweaks needed to extract every bit of growth out of the cycle.

[marcus300]

There are many different protocols for SBC or higher dosed cycles these what ive mentioned are what ive done and was advised to do by a very high end trainer. Everybody needs to find out what works best for them, if your body starts to grow and build tissue in the second half of the cycle then a shorter cycle wont be best for someone like that, for me I always had my best gains at the start and then they faded off, so I would design cycles around this to minimize sides and increase gains.

[Strongblood]

What's the highest weekly Tren dose you ever ran Marcus?

[KINGKONG]

Here ya go KINGKONG...

The Prime explained before cycling..

Thanks bro!

[AR's King Silabolin]

This wasn't my peak but I was a fair size

https://postimage.org/

God im gonna dwarf this dobbel bis so bad in december.

[marcus300]

What's the highest weekly Tren dose you ever ran Marcus?

It was around 200mgs of TE daily

[NACH3]

It was around 200mgs of TE daily

FFS... At least your here to tell us about it

[KINGKONG]

It was around 200mgs of TE daily

Did you sleep?the only time I used tren I had to get a script for ambien or I couldn't sleep more than a few hours a night..

[Strongblood]

It was around 200mgs of TE daily

Wow! I can just imagine the pumps you got from that! Thanks!!

[bobbypump]

Great stuff Marcus!!iam gonna go on my first cycle in years in about 4 months never did over 1.5 grams total, Iam thinking 2 grams and a few compounds..gonna take the next 4 months to get my bodyfat sub 10:/: and Iam gonna reasearch priming ..AT 36 years old I'll prob do trt after the sbc and never come off..

I turn 36 this month.. I'm leaning the same way.. hmm

[marcus300]

Did you sleep?the only time I used tren I had to get a script for ambien or I couldn't sleep more than a few hours a night..

No didn't sleep and eventually pissed blood, not sure if that was from the tren but sure didn't help

[marcus300]

Wow! I can just imagine the pumps you got from that! Thanks!!

I wouldn't recommend using Tren at any high dose its a very nasty compound and can be very harsh on your system for many ( not all ) so be careful with Tren

[Livinlean]

Marcus, when you would run your SBC would you immediately go into a cruise or would you go into a pct?

Did you use long ester compounds such as EQ and Deca in these SBC?

[robb_theyoungwolf]

How much $ would you say you were shooting a day, seems insane!

[marcus300]

Marcus, when you would run your SBC would you immediately go into a cruise or would you go into a pct?

Did you use long ester compounds such as EQ and Deca in these SBC?

Not sure if your talking about a heavy short burst or just a short burst in general, but it all depends usually I wouldn't go into a cruise because it would alter the effect of the prime I would go into after pct, so I would drop into pct recover and then prime and repeat the process.

I have on many occasions cruised to the next SBC which were excellent the idea of a SBC is to keep your HPTA shout down the shortest possible time so recovery may be easier. Ive also used them when I was on trt Like ive mentioned I only really cycle SBC's because once I found out suited my body best for gains vs sides that's what I kept with unless I wasn't bulking

[marcus300]

How much $ would you say you were shooting a day, seems insane!

Price isn't a problem to get hold of pharm grade AAS in the UK is pretty cheap and its only for 4-6 weeks depending on which cycle I would use.

[robb_theyoungwolf]

right on

[marcus300]

I don't condone any of my previous behaviours with high dosed cycles, it was many years ago and in all ho0nesty you don't need to run anything like the dosages I've mentioned. It was just a part of my cycle history which I class has an experimental phase.

Dosages don't make the man!

[AR's King Silabolin]

No didn't sleep and eventually pissed blood, not sure if that was from the tren but sure didn't help

I piss red too when i do my beetrootjuice preworkouts. But i guess its not blood though.

[Strongblood]

I wouldn't recommend using Tren at any high dose its a very nasty compound and can be very harsh on your system for many ( not all ) so be careful with Tren

I will bro! I've learned so much about cycling safely since I've been here. I've actually found that I can do so much more with so much less than I used to! Lol!
Be well, Marcus!

[marcus300]

I will bro! I've learned so much about cycling safely since I've been here. I've actually found that I can do so much more with so much less than I used to! Lol!
Be well, Marcus!

Sounds good. Design a cycle around your goals and how you respond, using your cycle history. You have all the answers

[KINGKONG]

So if you did a sbc into trt it would make the most sence to clean bulk on cycle and then cut back on trt?i was thinking just different esters of test suspension before workout and prop and cyp at 1.3-1.5 grams a week and maybe 700 mg npp a week..my biggest cycle was 1 gram test enth and 600 mg eq a week I got up in the 250-260 range at 5 10" bloated and at 15 percent bodyfat but I was big..I wanna get sub 10 percent and gain as little bodyfat on the short burst and get back under 10 and keep hopefully 20lb or so?iam 5 10" 235-240 at 15 percent right now

[KINGKONG]

My problem is finding a happy medium if I eat eat eat Iam up in the 15 percent bodyfat range but big 250-260 if I cut back just a little I lose a lot of muscle but get really cut quick..I look best on cycle at 210-215 I gotta really find a perfect caloric range that I can lose or gain weight slower..it's hard though after getting out I've been working manual labor going 100 percent all night and the work changes night after night one night I might go really hard and the next night light..if I don't consume carbs all night long my muscle falls off me..

[KINGKONG]

Sorry for taking over the thread just gotta outta the gym my pre workout caffine pumping through my system

[AR's King Silabolin]

Sorry for taking over the thread just gotta outta the gym my pre workout caffine pumping through my system

Thats cool man

[marcus300]

Big lats and tris marcus. Super thick! How many calories did it take to grow to that size? Estimate?

Thanks Cuz, its not my best but I have a very thick set body style with good muscle bellies. Bodybuilding is an illusion and I worked on weak points to make the most of the size in certain places. I never count calories anymore I just know what to eat to maintain my size, I am very in tune with my body and don't weight anything anymore but I would eat around 4k-5k daily depending on my goals.

One thing I never ever do and I am sure you know this from my posts were we have talked before is that when I cut I never do this fast, its a very slow process and I attack my body fat slowly because when cutting my main priority isn't cutting bf its maintaining my muscle tissue that's were many go wrong!

Cutting to fast or using some of these stupid diets what are out there and being governed by online calculators is digging into your muscle tissue and also cutting this back as awell as fat and what ive been through to get to my size and build what I have there is no way in hell will I ever sacrifice my muscle tissue so I attack cutting slowly with the tools ive told you before.

A huge problem what ive seen over the years and also when I had a lot of clients is bulking and cutting was just a circle of gaining and losing weight and also muscle tissue so at the end of cycling and eating good they would waste all the efforts and let the muscle tissue disappear to get cut, well that's something I would not do because for me to build tissue I go through serious pain, I am a very hard trainer and I only grow one way and one style and there is no way in hell will I ever give back any muscle tissue unless it was not under my control. This is what I use to tell my clients and help them with and I changed most of them who stuck with what I told them to do. Why would you go on cycle eat massive amounts of food and build some tissue to only waste it away in a cutting phase and be were you was before to only go back on cycle and do it all again! I see this all the time in around 90% of people that's what makes the difference once you listen to your body and also your very much in tune with it. But you know all this because we have been on a journey together before

[marcus300]

My problem is finding a happy medium if I eat eat eat Iam up in the 15 percent bodyfat range but big 250-260 if I cut back just a little I lose a lot of muscle but get really cut quick..I look best on cycle at 210-215 I gotta really find a perfect caloric range that I can lose or gain weight slower..it's hard though after getting out I've been working manual labor going 100 percent all night and the work changes night after night one night I might go really hard and the next night light..if I don't consume carbs all night long my muscle falls off me..

This is what Ive just talked about, I would never let muscle tissue fall off me because I worked so dame hard to build those lbs I wouldnt let it happen.

[NACH3]

This is what Ive just talked about, I would never let muscle tissue fall off me because I worked so dame hard to build those lbs I would let it happen.

This is what I keep telling myself daily when really bulking now... Just up your cardio to suit your BF goals imho

[Cuz]

Thanks Cuz, its not my best but I have a very thick set body style with good muscle bellies. Bodybuilding is an illusion and I worked on weak points to make the most of the size in certain places. I never count calories anymore I just know what to eat to maintain my size, I am very in tune with my body and don't weight anything anymore but I would eat around 4k-5k daily depending on my goals.

One thing I never ever do and I am sure you know this from my posts were we have talked before is that when I cut I never do this fast, its a very slow process and I attack my body fat slowly because when cutting my main priority isn't cutting bf its maintaining my muscle tissue that's were many go wrong!

Cutting to fast or using some of these stupid diets what are out there and being governed by online calculators is digging into your muscle tissue and also cutting this back as awell as fat and what ive been through to get to my size and build what I have there is no way in hell will I ever sacrifice my muscle tissue so I attack cutting slowly with the tools ive told you before.

A huge problem what ive seen over the years and also when I had a lot of clients is bulking and cutting was just a circle of gaining and losing weight and also muscle tissue so at the end of cycling and eating good they would waste all the efforts and let the muscle tissue disappear to get cut, well that's something I would not do because for me to build tissue I go through serious pain, I am a very hard trainer and I only grow one way and one style and there is no way in hell will I ever give back any muscle tissue unless it was not under my control. This is what I use to tell my clients and help them with and I changed most of them who stuck with what I told them to do. Why would you go on cycle eat massive amounts of food and build some tissue to only waste it away in a cutting phase and be were you was before to only go back on cycle and do it all again! I see this all the time in around 90% of people that's what makes the difference once you listen to your body and also your very much in tune with it. But you know all this because we have been on a journey together before

Thank you for the informative post Marcus. Always good to jog the memory!

[kelkel]

I've learned so much about cycling safely since I've been here. I've actually found that I can do so much more with so much less than I used to! Lol!

Bingo!

[marcus300]

Bingo!

Exactly, I even think way to many people use to higher trt dose than they need to

[marcus300]

Thank you for the informative post Marcus. Always good to jog the memory!

Your all over it Cuz,

[kelkel]

Exactly, I even think way to many people use to higher trt dose than they need to

Very true. It's one of the reasons so many have to give blood all the time to control their hematocrit.

[marcus300]

Very true. It's one of the reasons so many have to give blood all the time to control their hematocrit.

I was thinking more an AI to control the estrogen effects, I think the rise in haematocrit really does come from cycling to be honest but some of the trt dosages I see knocking around are like a mini cycle

[Strongblood]

Exactly, I even think way to many people use to higher trt dose than they need to

Absolutely! I understand that everyone is different and what's good for one might not be for another. But, I see a lot of guys dosing Test Cyp. at 125mgs-150mgs. twice weekly for their TRT. For most men that's much more than a therapeutic dose of testosterone . And again, I understand that everyone's different. But I know if I cruised on 250mgs. of Test Cyp. my levels would be well above the highest normal! And my estrogen would be high also, without an AI. Personally, I don't think it's healthy for a man on TRT to dose exogenous testosterone at a level that's high enough to raise his estrogen above normal. This is just my opinion guys. I really didn't mean to get on a rant and post such a lengthy response.

[marcus300]

Absolutely! I understand that everyone is different and what's good for one might not be for another. But, I see a lot of guys dosing Test Cyp. at 125mgs-150mgs. twice weekly for their TRT. For most men that's much more than a therapeutic dose of testosterone. And again, I understand that everyone's different. But I know if I cruised on 250mgs. of Test Cyp. my levels would be well above the highest normal! And my estrogen would be high also, without an AI. Personally, I don't think it's healthy for a man on TRT to dose exogenous testosterone at a level that's high enough to raise his estrogen above normal. This is just my opinion guys. I really didn't mean to get on a rant and post such a lengthy response.

That's what I meant, totally agree but we are all different

[krugerr]

It was around 200mgs of TE daily

I've taken Tren -E to 800mg a week, and for long periods. I felt bulletproof at this dose along with 1g Test.
At this dose, every week I would jump on the scales and be noticably heavier.
Every week I'd have to re-do the math, because my working weights had all gone up.

I eventually got to the point where I loaded up the decline bench and repped out with 180kgs for 10 or 12 (Several occassions). My brother, whom was, and still is training on strongman invited me to do a back session with him. I hadnt deadlifted in probably 18months at the time. Managed to pick up 215kg like a warm up. For me, this is when it really hit me how much my strength had increased in about 12 months of blast/cruise, dieting and proper lifting. I was about 280lbs and ~17%BF.


Of all the compounds I have used, Tren is my favourite! The sweet-spot that I used then on several cycles was 1g Test / 0.8g Tren. I didnt have bloodwork on cycle, but did monitor BP.
Using the same UGL, so I guess it can be argued that I was on less if it was underdosed.

[krugerr]

I guess I should follow up that this wasnt clever. I was being a bit reckless.

I had already been diagnosed with LowT. I could have probably corrected the problem if I had cared too.
At the time, I was working in a gym, and I just wanted to be huge. I didnt care.

I probably was "on" for 18 months of Blast/Cruise. I had decided I didnt care if I ended up on TRT.

I had cycled before, I was still fairly new to it, and I didn't grow into my cycles. The numbers were nice and round. I think I started at 500mg Test / 400mg Tren , then over the year moved the blasts up to the 1.8g total.

[NACH3]

I've ran a cmbined dose of NPP(450/wk) and deca @ 500/wk... Not advisable as I've learned 5-700mgs/wk(600 being my sweet spot) I've grown no more on that dose(however it was underdosed got BW to prove it ) with my test around 750-1g.... I've gone higher than this w/test but I'd like to say I've grown into my blasts yet I feel I jumped the gun - my best cycle was 600mgs/prop -450NPP backloaded w/winny at 50mgs first 4 wks then 100mgs/ed to finish out the last 2wks

I don't advise this by any means... Tren I've not. Run past 400mgs