Stacks for Lean Gainz

[Tlolec the toilet]

I'm looking for Lean Gainz. Something that does very well building you up on a restricted diet.

I'm also facinated by this post: **The Best Cycles**

my only experiances are with Test, Deca , and a little Tren .

[numbere]

It doesn't get much better than test, nandrolone and a little tren for lean bulking.

I know it's cliche to say but your biggest improvements will likely be made in the diet aspect.

Everyone has room to improve their diet.

[Tlolec the toilet]

that's soo true. with my current diet that's reduced by 600 cal i still dont get hungry in fact i get full. i find it physically hard to eat as much as i need to. eating enough natural protein is a b1tch too. i'm looking leaner, but i want to get more lean! i've been really good about avoiding junk all together. eating this plain diet is no problem whatsoever. i just dont get hungry like almost ever.

[Livinlean]

that's soo true. with my current diet that's reduced by 600 cal i still dont get hungry in fact i get full. i find it physically hard to eat as much as i need to. eating enough natural protein is a b1tch too. i'm looking leaner, but i want to get more lean! i've been really good about avoiding junk all together. eating this plain diet is no problem whatsoever. i just dont get hungry like almost ever.

I feel ya. When I first switched to clean I would get full off 2600 cals. Now I'm over 4000 clean and can easily fit in another meal and shake if I wanted. Gradually increasing your calories or slowly decreasing time between meals is the best way. For example eat every 3 hours, next week 2.5 hours... That extra half hour multiplied by 6 meals gives you enough time for another meal.

[ScotchGuard02]

When I'm lean bulking I eat about 70g fat / 350g carbs / 450g protein. My main protein source are fish and chicken. I also do cardio to keep my metabolism going. I can generally get down to about 7% to 8% without using extreme methods like diuretics.

[Tlolec the toilet]

thanks all three of you. i'm really trying to review your suggestions closely, so i can take your ideas and use them/learn something.

I referenced this thread in another one i made: waste of money to use HGH like peptides for PCT? Dieting/PCT

[TestoSuper]

I have not tried tren and many other AAS until now, but to obtain lean gains under resctrict diet you may also consider a very simple effective combo: test and oral winstrol .
If your diet is clean with this simple combo you can get excellent quality gains, keeping very lean body look.
I talk about my experience.

[Tlolec the toilet]

i'm done with orals i think

[Vash the Stampede]

i'm done with orals i think

Likewise. I like my liver, so I'll try not to stress it too much. Test Tren all the way for me. Honestly don't need anything else.

[TestoSuper]

yes... but I don't think that 40 mg of oral winstrol for 5/6 weeks with an hepatoprotector (Legalon or liv 52) can kill the liver ... it takes more than that to this.

[Tlolec the toilet]

i hear great things about primo. anybody have exp with this?

[numbere]

i'm done with orals i think

Except for increased strength winny will do nothing for you on a bulk anyway.

You might want to try injectable orals before you give them up completely.

I find they have less sides and can be used for a bit longer.

[TestoSuper]

i hear great things about primo. anybody have exp with this?

I never tried it, but I think it's great for maintaining muscle mass with calorie deficit..

[numbere]

i hear great things about primo. anybody have exp with this?

There are better compounds that are far less expensive.

[Tlolec the toilet]

lol, Bonaparte commented on how expensive it was while i was bitching about the price of tren . ok, so what's better and cheaper than primo?

[numbere]

lol, Bonaparte commented on how expensive it was while i was bitching about the price of tren. ok, so what's better and cheaper than primo?

You don't have many options on a bulk.

You're basically looking at test with nandrolone and/or tren .

If you are into orals then dbol , drol, tbol, sdrol and possibly var.

[charger69]

When I'm lean bulking I eat about 70g fat / 350g carbs / 450g protein. My main protein source are fish and chicken. I also do cardio to keep my metabolism going. I can generally get down to about 7% to 8% without using extreme methods like diuretics.

Wow! 7-8% while bulking? I must be super old school. I am happy bulking at 12%. I have not been able to make it to 10% while bulking yet.

[charger69]

You don't have many options on a bulk. You're basically looking at test with nandrolone and/or tren. If you are into orals then dbol, drol, tbol, sdrol and possibly var.

With all due respect, any AAS can be used for bulking or cutting. Your diet determines what the results are. Some of the most popular ones are decca and tren ( and test).
Decca (nandrolone ) is one of the AAS that I have never known to be used in cutting. Alot of people say that it causes al great deal of water retention however that is not the case for me.

[numbere]

With all due respect, any AAS can be used for bulking or cutting. Your diet determines what the results are. Some of the most popular ones are decca and tren ( and test).
Decca (nandrolone) is one of the AAS that I have never known to be used in cutting. Alot of people say that it causes al great deal of water retention however that is not the case for me.

Any AAS can be used successful for cutting but not necessarily for bulking.

i.e. Steroids that are derivatives of DHT are muscle conditioners. They protect against catabolism while giving muscle fibers a grainy mature appearance. Using one of these on a bulk is a waste of time, money and hormonal health as they will do little to grow new tissue.

Also, nandrolone is a great cutting steroid as it gives the appearance of fullness when carbohydrate consumption is low.

[TestoSuper]

Any AAS can be used successful for cutting but not necessarily for bulking.

i.e. Steroids that are derivatives of DHT are muscle conditioners. They protect against catabolism while giving muscle fibers a grainy mature appearance. Using one of these on a bulk is a waste of time, money and hormonal health as they will do little to grow new tissue.

Also, nandrolone is a great cutting steroid as it gives the appearance of fullness when carbohydrate consumption is low.

I don't agree ... Here there was no talk of using derivatives dht directly for bulking, but associated with other AAS for bulking (ex with testosterone ) .. for example, oral winstrol , as you know due to its activity on SHBG , acts as an great amplifier of the effects of testosterone , increasing its effectiveness.
I tried on myself Test/dbol cycle and Test/winstrol, the latter gave me 6/8 lb more than test/dbol, better and harder body look, post cycle gains maintained longer.
It is not true that using DHT derivatives in a Bulking cycle is a waste of time, for me it is very useful, especially for who looks at a quality look.
I do not think that nandrolone is ideal for cutting, given its strong progestogen activity, nandrolone to work needs a lot of calories, that will lead to poor definition.

[TestoSuper]

With all due respect, any AAS can be used for bulking or cutting. Your diet determines what the results are. Some of the most popular ones are decca and tren ( and test).
Decca (nandrolone) is one of the AAS that I have never known to be used in cutting. Alot of people say that it causes al great deal of water retention however that is not the case for me.

Yes I agree, nandrolone is absolutely not ideal to cut.

[numbere]

I don't agree ... Here there was no talk of using derivatives dht directly for bulking, but associated with other AAS for bulking (ex with testosterone ) .. for example, oral winstrol , as you know due to its activity on SHBG , acts as an great amplifier of the effects of testosterone , increasing its effectiveness.
I tried on myself Test/dbol cycle and Test/winstrol, the latter gave me 6/8 lb more than test/dbol, better and harder body look, post cycle gains maintained longer.
It is not true that using DHT derivatives in a Bulking cycle is a waste of time, for me it is very useful, especially for who looks at a quality look.
I do not think that nandrolone is ideal for cutting, given its strong progestogen activity, nandrolone to work needs a lot of calories, that will lead to poor definition.

Why the heck would someone only use winny or mast for bulking? Of course that was never suggested.

You really think that when your test is 5000+ that lower shbg makes any difference, that's just silly.

A valid argument would be that winny increases strength dramatically, secondarily leading to tissue growth.

Great to hear your experience with winny was better than that of dbol. I'm sure diet played a huge role.

Nandrolone has very mild side effects, even progesterone related sides. This is one reason why it should be used before tren .

Lol nandrolone doesn't need a lot of calories to do its job. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[TestoSuper]

Why the heck would someone only use winny or mast for bulking? Of course that was never suggested.

You really think that when your test is 5000+ that lower shbg makes any difference, that's just silly.

A valid argument would be that winny increases strength dramatically, secondarily leading to tissue growth.

Great to hear your experience with winny was better than that of dbol . I'm sure diet played a huge role.

Nandrolone has very mild side effects, even progesterone related sides. This is one reason why it should be used before tren .

Lol nandrolone doesn't need a lot of calories to do its job. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes I think so, I tried it on myself ...Test only, Test/dbol, Test/winstrol ... much better the last than other two, best gains.
(I talk about my esperience, sure for others it will be definitely different)

[numbere]

Yes I think so, I tried it on myself ...Test only, Test/dbol , Test/winstrol ... much better the last than other two, best gains.
(I talk about my esperience, sure for others it will be definitely different)

You're saying that while on cycle you gained 6-8 pounds more when using test/winny than test/dbol.

[Mr.BB]

For me the best stack for lean gains is grilled chicken breast, brown rice and a bunch of salad, you can stack it with grilled fish, potatoes and veggies. Reduce the carbs portions on non training days for best results.

[TestoSuper]

You're saying that while on cycle you gained 6-8 pounds more when using test/winny than test/dbol.

it is true, I'm not inventing anything !! probably my body responds better to stanozolol .. I don't know..
The diet was the same..

[TestoSuper]

For me the best stack for lean gains is grilled chicken breast, brown rice and a bunch of salad, you can stack it with grilled fish, potatoes and veggies. Reduce the carbs portions on non training days for best results.

certainly.. I agree!!

[numbere]

it is true, I'm not inventing anything !! probably my body responds better to stanozolol .. I don't know..
The diet was the same..

Alright man I have to call BS.

You said test/winny gave you lean gains.

There's no way you put on more lean mass with winny than water weight with dbol .

It's cool if you want to voice your opinion, this is a public forum.

If you make stuff up it's going to make you look foolish.

[TestoSuper]

Alright man I have to call BS.

You said test/winny gave you lean gains.

There's no way you put on more lean mass with winny than water weight with dbol .

It's cool if you want to voice your opinion, this is a public forum.

If you make stuff up it's going to make you look foolish.

numbere I do not understand what you mean .. I have expressed my opinion and my experience about this, nothing more ..

[numbere]

numbere I do not understand what you mean .. I have expressed my opinion and my experience about this, nothing more ..

I mean that part or all of your experience is fabricated.

If you're diet was the same there is no way winny made you gain more mass on cycle than dbol .

Winny is not a mass gainer, it never has been and it never will.

Dbol fills you with water, quickly giving the user a large mass increase.