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09-30-2016, 01:00 AM #41Banned
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Do you mean the anabolic molecule, or do you mean the ester that's cleaved from the original combined molecule?
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09-30-2016, 01:05 AM #42Banned
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I've heard that school of thought but I'm not with it. One of my favourite compounds to run when I'm afraid of PCT is Oxandrolone because of it's low androgenicity. There's a lot to be said for high androgenicity (e.g. running Tren at 1.2g / wk), but there's a lot to be said for low androgenicity too (e.g. Test 150mg / wk with Oxandrolone 70mg ED).
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09-30-2016, 01:06 AM #43
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09-30-2016, 01:09 AM #44Banned
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Shouldn't be an issue if you've already blasted your HPTA.
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09-30-2016, 01:10 AM #45
I mean accumulation of the steroid with the ester still on it in fatty tissues.
(I think so, or just the steroid, the ester in itself is most welcome to stay,
however I don't think it can, esterases being quite abundant in human tissue)
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09-30-2016, 01:10 AM #46Banned
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09-30-2016, 01:13 AM #47Banned
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09-30-2016, 01:15 AM #48Banned
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09-30-2016, 01:16 AM #49
As long as LH&FSH isn't reduced to zero at the end I agree about NPP.
I find DBOL to work very well, and make me feel very well.
Drol however, I used to not be able to tolerate more than 25mg/day with it, and even then feel like shit, but now my body reacts differently to it,
fills me out, doesn't feel like shit (unless used for months),
gives strength and mass and little water. (Water depends greatly on diet and amount of test/E2 along with the drol though)
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09-30-2016, 01:17 AM #50Banned
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I used testosterone suspension for this purpose. Or the next best thing testosterone propionate . Trenbolone enanthate is an awful choice for this.
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09-30-2016, 01:20 AM #51Banned
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09-30-2016, 01:23 AM #52Banned
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09-30-2016, 01:24 AM #53
Hehe, that's impossible to predict.
But would it take 50mg dbol and 50mg drol as well as 100mg drol?
Well drol could be less liver toxic than dbol with its very low AR affinity.
DBOL might be less liver toxic due to being able to aromatize. (At a low degree though)
Aromatization and AR affinity affects liver toxicity in C17 methylated compounds I believe.
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09-30-2016, 01:25 AM #54Banned
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Tren E is a terrible choice for this. Testosterone suspension , or if your supplier can't get suspension, then testosterone propionate .
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09-30-2016, 01:26 AM #55Banned
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09-30-2016, 01:33 AM #56Banned
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Overall I like your cycle, but if I were going for an extreme cycle to beef up as much as possible as quickly as possible, then I'd keep it simple. Best gains I ever got were from:
Testosterone (combined esters) 1.5g / wk, Trenbolone Enanthate 1.2g / wk, Metandienone 100mg ED
Looking back on it, I should have used milk thistle.... maybe I would have kept my gains.
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09-30-2016, 01:42 AM #57
You mean to stabilize mood?
A DA antagonist would increase prolactin.
But i can also see it helping with appetite, etc.
I'm however deathly afraid of all DA antagonists/antipsychotics,
after knowing first hand how it's like to be put in a cage and fed large amounts.
Took me months to recover; went to the store, bought some food, took the bus, realized i forgot the food on the bus station, went back, bought more food, took the bus, realized I forgot the food on the bus station again...
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09-30-2016, 01:44 AM #58Banned
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Let's not get specific yet..... don't substitute in dbol and drol yet.... let's stick with COMPOUND A and COMPOUND B.
If Compound A attacks the liver via Method X, and if Compound B attacks the liver via Method Y, then I think it is incredibly unlikely that any given person's liver will be able to handle 50mg of each concurrently. In fact, I reckon 50mg of each concurrently would be a massacre.
That's my take on it.
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09-30-2016, 01:45 AM #59
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09-30-2016, 01:49 AM #60
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09-30-2016, 01:50 AM #61Banned
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hahaha. By mood stabiliser, do you mean major tranquiliser? The only drug we have right now in 2016 that even comes close to a mood stabiliser is Lithium.... and even Lithium has its consequences.
Took me months to recover; went to the store, bought some food, took the bus, realized i forgot the food on the bus station, went back, bought more food, took the bus, realized I forgot the food on the bus station again...
A DA antagonist would increase prolactin.
But i can also see it helping with appetite, etc.
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09-30-2016, 01:54 AM #62Banned
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LiveLeak. Right before your workout, look at a really fucked up video. It's a bit of a balancing act.... I mean I found that if I watched the one of the Russian conscripts having their throats cut, then that would stand me in good stead for a heavy workout. Same goes for the decapitation of the Mexican woman. But if you breach your window of tolerance, for example the one in the Venezuelan prison where they cut off a man's fingers and feed them to him, then you might make yourself sick to your stomach and be weak for the day. You recover 24 hours later though and you will have increased your window of tolerance and thus be able for more punishment.
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09-30-2016, 01:59 AM #63Banned
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09-30-2016, 02:10 AM #64Banned
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Almost a counter-synergistic effect. My theory would result in severe liver damage, while your theory would result in a more healthy liver. I wonder is there a way of testing which theory is right (with particular compounds) without risking serious liver damage? Can you think of a way?
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09-30-2016, 02:11 AM #65Banned
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It's arguable that the only sex hormone in males is testosterone , as it could be argued that the estrogens and progesterone serve no reproductive purpose.
Last edited by RamboQuarterSegment; 09-30-2016 at 02:19 AM. Reason: meant to write: server NO reproductive purpose
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09-30-2016, 02:16 AM #66Banned
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09-30-2016, 02:16 AM #67
LOL! That's a twisted way to do it, but I can see it working.
Nothing makes me more angry than abuse of women, or injustice.
(Justice is a very fleeting term though, so I'll add injustice according to me, and regarding people I care or can emphasize with,
if I saw someone shooting some ISIS recruits that hadn't done anything wrong (yet), and could have been captured... Bad example...
If I saw someone shooting Donald Trump... Bad example...
If I saw someone shooting Paris Hilton... I wouldn't shout hooray.. Bad example..
Ehhhh...
Anyways, looking at women being raped f.ex wouldn't just make me pissed, but sick (unless I were there, in which case I'd really enjoy killing the rapist...)
I'm not so sure this technique would work for me...
But I feel an urge to check out LiveLeak now...
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09-30-2016, 02:21 AM #68
Right on!
That makes sense, in the average male about 70% of his body fat is transported out of the cells, to the capillary, then back to the fat cell again, each day.
Steroid with ester (which then makes it a fatty acid really), would follow the same course. Thanks for clearing that up!
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09-30-2016, 02:26 AM #69Banned
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There's being twisted and then there's just being realistic. Viewing certain material causes an emotional reaction that can have an extreme psychosomatic effect (e.g. increase in strength, reduced heart rate, deeper breathing.
Nothing makes me more angry than abuse of women, or injustice.
(Justice is a very fleeting term though, so I'll add injustice according to me, and regarding people I care or can emphasize with,
if I saw someone shooting some ISIS recruits that hadn't done anything wrong (yet), and could have been captured... Bad example...
If I saw someone shooting Donald Trump... Bad example...
If I saw someone shooting Paris Hilton... I wouldn't shout hooray.. Bad example..
Ehhhh...
Anyways, looking at women being raped f.ex wouldn't just make me pissed, but sick (unless I were there, in which case I'd really enjoy killing the rapist...)
I'm not so sure this technique would work for me...
But I feel an urge to check out LiveLeak now...
I did the LiveLeak thing for a while, but that's not how I prepare for heavy workouts anymore. There's another way which is significantly more effective.
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09-30-2016, 02:28 AM #70
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09-30-2016, 02:32 AM #71
On a human?
Hmm, one would need a study group, say 20males,
Group 1 (of 10males) would recieve 50+50mg of dbol /drol,
Group 2 would recieve 100mg drol.
If one could recruit 20 more people then:
Group 3: 100mg dbol
Group 4: control
The experiment is ran for 10 days.
Unless participants have some irregular reaction no real damage occurs in this time frame.
Bloodwork on day 0, 1, 3, 5, 7, 10, 11, 12, 20.
Differences in all liver values need to be checked.
The results of this test, if any, would just be a hint for further research.
But the only ethical way would be animal testing.
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09-30-2016, 02:39 AM #72Banned
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I'm spending a lot of time with two local churches here lately........ most times they call me when they have a guy who's just about to go on a killing spree and they ask me to talk to him, and by the end of the conversation we're usually talking about different rehab choices.
Good to see you're still around BB. Shame I never made it to a thousand posts, I was at 993 or something. Never forgive myself for that.
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09-30-2016, 02:40 AM #73Banned
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09-30-2016, 02:46 AM #74
mood stabilizers according to the medical community:
Lithium, lamotrigine, valproate.
However, antipsychotics are also used for this by doctors not understanding how bad they can be, and really should be reserved for what their name implies: psychosis, and even then I'd suggest trying benzodiazepines with 5HT2A blocking agents (like mianserine, mirtazapine) first.
I do understand that with acute psychosis you'll take whatever works though)
Mood stabilizers according to me:
Methylphenidate, amphetamine (low dose), benzodiazepines, Pregabline.
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09-30-2016, 02:55 AM #75Banned
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09-30-2016, 05:21 AM #78
1.2 g tren gave him away lol
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09-30-2016, 05:43 AM #79
Nobody wants your tea.
150lbs guy on 1.2g tren lol
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09-30-2016, 05:49 AM #80Banned
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Two points worth mentioning:
* I'm only 5'3" in height
* I lost all my gains when I spent 4.5 weeks in a hospital bed
I actually reached my goal of 70kg earlier this week (up from 52.5kg when I start weightlifting when I was 21).
The 1.5g Test, 1.2g Tren , 100mg Dbol only lasted about 5 or 6 weeks before I got the phone call from my general practitioner...... "Are you near a hospital?". Best 5 or 6 weeks of my life though if you disregard the diarrhorea.
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