Blast and Cruise trying to come off possible ?

**Jonbana** · 04-30-2017, 08:34 AM

Been blasting and cruising for 2 years .

one cycle of tren one cycle of deca

TRT does is 200mg a week ,

my doctor has stopped doing blood work and prescriptions so my only source now is UGL , I don't mind them but wondering would is be possible to come off completely with a strong PCT ?

what can I expect and look for without blood work cause my doctor no longer wants to deal with hormones and he told me just stop it will come back soon or a later lol

so I go on pct and don't recovery 100% how would I tell or notice ?

**Marcus G** · 04-30-2017, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jonbana

Been blasting and cruising for 2 years .

one cycle of tren one cycle of deca

TRT does is 200mg a week ,

my doctor has stopped doing blood work and prescriptions so my only source now is UGL , I don't mind them but wondering would is be possible to come off completely with a strong PCT ?

what can I expect and look for without blood work cause my doctor no longer wants to deal with hormones and he told me just stop it will come back soon or a later lol

so I go on pct and don't recovery 100% how would I tell or notice ?

It's possible. Have you been using hcg ?

**hammerheart** · 04-30-2017, 08:50 AM

Of course you can always try,

you can never tell or anything only bloodwork is the way to go,

so duh either dismiss your doc for a new one or find a TRT clinic,

otherwise I believe there are labs in the US that do bw w/o prescription?

**numbere** · 04-30-2017, 10:16 AM

If you were properly diagnosed with low t before being placed on TRT then there's no going back to a normal way of life.

I remember you had some gyno problems at the end of your last blast.

How did everything work out?

**michael30** · 05-01-2017, 03:01 PM

If you were diagnosed with legit low t. It will not come back. Your doctor is also putting your long term health at risk buy discontinuing your trt. I would find another Dr.

**Jonbana** · 05-05-2017, 10:01 AM

Sorry for the late reply started a new job been working and training none stop

Im in Canada so we don't have blood labs like you guys do in the USA ,

Yes I have access to HCG I have access to pretty much every compound out there ,

My gyno cleared up with some nova I think is was just a flare up never had one before ,

I've Been slowly looking for a new doctor but here in Ontario its a 6month - 1 year list than they need to retest me and all this crap , that's why I was considering trying to come off with a good PCT strong Diet

My original Doctor sent me to a specialist internal medicine specialist he found everything than signed me off to my family doctor saying you take over and when I i say i need a new prescription he said no he's not comfortable dealing with hormones sends me back to the specialist and he says cant help you we signed you to your family doctor

my natural test before TRT was 200-280 i believe i lost the paper work when i recently moved , and have not checked bloods on TRT for over two years cause no one will touch me but when we where figuring our dossages i believe at 150mg every two weeks i was sitting at 880

**Marcus G** · 05-05-2017, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Jonbana

Sorry for the late reply started a new job been working and training none stop

Im in Canada so we don't have blood labs like you guys do in the USA ,

Yes I have access to HCG I have access to pretty much every compound out there ,

My gyno cleared up with some nova I think is was just a flare up never had one before ,

I've Been slowly looking for a new doctor but here in Ontario its a 6month - 1 year list than they need to retest me and all this crap , that's why I was considering trying to come off with a good PCT strong Diet

My original Doctor sent me to a specialist internal medicine specialist he found everything than signed me off to my family doctor saying you take over and when I i say i need a new prescription he said no he's not comfortable dealing with hormones sends me back to the specialist and he says cant help you we signed you to your family doctor

my natural test before TRT was 200-280 i believe i lost the paper work when i recently moved , and have not checked bloods on TRT for over two years cause no one will touch me but when we where figuring our dossages i believe at 150mg every two weeks i was sitting at 880

Your must be able to have the option to pay for private blood tests?

**600@50** · 05-05-2017, 12:19 PM

If your test levels were that low originally I don't think it will not come back no matter what PCT you do. Self administered TRT may be your best choice if you can't get a doctor to cooperate. I know you're in Canada but how close to the US are you? Could you drive to the US and have bw done? It's just an idea. The only other thing would be to go to more doctors until you find one to help you.

**Back In Black** · 05-06-2017, 01:38 AM

How long were you on tren and how long on deca ? We are talking 10's of weeks combined over your 2 'cycles' aren't we?

**Chicagotarsier** · 05-06-2017, 03:53 AM

It depends on why your test levels were low. What was the root cause analysis of the doctor? I am primary hypogonadal via the testicle cells do not make testosterone due to damage. Mine will never come back.

If you were like 500 Test and then got on TrT and dropped bodyfat by a large amount and cleared up your diet I would say you could see that 500 turn into 600+. It is not going to all of a sudden go to 1200 and such.

There is nothing wrong with self medicating. I can say I feel confident via taking the advice of the guys here I got far superior care than any doc would have give me.

**Jonbana** · 05-06-2017, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

Your must be able to have the option to pay for private blood tests?

Only way I found for private bloods is the USA , and travel , I cannot find nothing in Ontario laws are different here and stupid in my eyes I can go to my needle exchange get needles for steroids anything all free but cannot get bloods done even with money

**Jonbana** · 05-06-2017, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by 600@50

If your test levels were that low originally I don't think it will not come back no matter what PCT you do. Self administered TRT may be your best choice if you can't get a doctor to cooperate. I know you're in Canada but how close to the US are you? Could you drive to the US and have bw done? It's just an idea. The only other thing would be to go to more doctors until you find one to help you.

yea I think you're right , its currently what im doing just stupid with Canada heaving the best health care just stupid I cannot get bloods or anything done , im searching for a new doctor and a place for blood work , im about 1 hour from buffalo boarder ,

its only once a week , I know some people do it once every two weeks but not sure about that

**Jonbana** · 05-06-2017, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

How long were you on tren and how long on deca? We are talking 10's of weeks combined over your 2 'cycles' aren't we?

Total blast time in 2 years was 30 weeks I always taper off ,

**Back In Black** · 05-06-2017, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jonbana

Total blast time in 2 years was 30 weeks I always taper off ,

Well, at least 20 weeks straight on tren plus whatever deca cycle(s) you have ran means complete shutdown for at least 2 years. I think you'd be very lucky to get anywhere near your pre blast and cruise test levels.

**Grappler13** · 05-07-2017, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Jonbana

Been blasting and cruising for 2 years .

one cycle of tren one cycle of deca

TRT does is 200mg a week ,

my doctor has stopped doing blood work and prescriptions so my only source now is UGL , I don't mind them but wondering would is be possible to come off completely with a strong PCT ?

what can I expect and look for without blood work cause my doctor no longer wants to deal with hormones and he told me just stop it will come back soon or a later lol

so I go on pct and don't recovery 100% how would I tell or notice ?

These doctors are criminally negligent. Smh. Get your own bloodwork done. Go to PrivateMed Labs if you're in the US and get the female hormone panel. It's $106 and tells you about everything you'll need.

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**Jonbana** · 05-11-2017, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Grappler13

These doctors are criminally negligent. Smh. Get your own bloodwork done. Go to PrivateMed Labs if you're in the US and get the female hormone panel. It's $106 and tells you about everything you'll need.

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im on Canada we do not have private labs because we have health care its stupid , Im thinking im going to drive down the the USA soon im near buffalo should be able to find something in that area