HGH, Test Cyp and DHEA

**overfl0w** · 05-20-2017, 06:18 AM

Age: 34
Weight: 84kg
Height: 1.83m
BF: 11%

Was wondering whether I will achieve any visible results (muscle gain / fat loss) with the follow stack:

100mg of DHEA ED
200mg Test Cyp every 5th day
1.5IU HGH ED

My sports science doc has placed me on this HRT as I've had slightly low HGH, Test and elevated estrogen. (I screwed up 8 months ago by running an Anavar -only cycle).

My aim is to get significant mass and fat loss, so I'm wondering if this is a waste or is he prepping me up to kick it up a notch when I visit him again in 3 weeks time.

I will ask him to throw in some SARMS too if appropriate... that is, if I get an opportunity to re-evaluate the above figures.

**Chicagotarsier** · 05-20-2017, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by overfl0w

Age: 34
Weight: 84kg
Height: 1.83m
BF: 11%

Was wondering whether I will achieve any visible results (muscle gain / fat loss) with the follow stack:

100mg of DHEA ED
200mg Test Cyp every 5th day
1.5IU HGH ED

My sports science doc has placed me on this HRT as I've had slightly low HGH, Test and elevated estrogen. (I screwed up 8 months ago by running an Anavar -only cycle).

My aim is to get significant mass and fat loss, so I'm wondering if this is a waste or is he prepping me up to kick it up a notch when I visit him again in 3 weeks time.

I will ask him to throw in some SARMS too if appropriate... that is, if I get an opportunity to re-evaluate the above figures.

Prescribing a solid dose of DHEA = Estrogen
Prescribing a med to high level testosterone TrT dose = Estrogen
HgH = Water retention.
And no AI???

Add an AI and it should get you back to feeling normal. It takes 6-months to see HgH results start. 150 a week Test for someone that was ok up until 8-months ago...dont plan on a lot of gains from it. DHEA could make you feel a lot better mentally.

Just as a helpful point...focus on getting back to feeling better. Work in that AI. Once you got it all rolling and labs look good then worry about "gains from PEDs"

Good luck on the TrT journey!

**MuscleScience** · 05-20-2017, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Prescribing a solid dose of DHEA = Estrogen
Prescribing a med to high level testosterone TrT dose = Estrogen
HgH = Water retention.
And no AI???

Add an AI and it should get you back to feeling normal. It takes 6-months to see HgH results start. 150 a week Test for someone that was ok up until 8-months ago...dont plan on a lot of gains from it. DHEA could make you feel a lot better mentally.

Just as a helpful point...focus on getting back to feeling better. Work in that AI. Once you got it all rolling and labs look good then worry about "gains from PEDs"

Good luck on the TrT journey!

Spot on

**ChicoSuave** · 05-20-2017, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Prescribing a solid dose of DHEA = Estrogen
Prescribing a med to high level testosterone TrT dose = Estrogen
HgH = Water retention.
And no AI???

Add an AI and it should get you back to feeling normal. It takes 6-months to see HgH results start. 150 a week Test for someone that was ok up until 8-months ago...dont plan on a lot of gains from it. DHEA could make you feel a lot better mentally.

Just as a helpful point...focus on getting back to feeling better. Work in that AI. Once you got it all rolling and labs look good then worry about "gains from PEDs"

Good luck on the TrT journey!

Agreed

**overfl0w** · 05-20-2017, 05:20 PM

thanks fellas. going to sound stupid ... what's AI?

**overfl0w** · 05-20-2017, 05:32 PM

aromsrise inhibitor ... ok... yep, not sure why he didn't prescribe that too. I will see him in 2 weeks.

should I suggest he ups the measurements? ... whilst I appreciate getting and feeling better, I'm hoping for slightly quicker results... this HRT is all kind of expensive here in Aust... don't know if it's sustainable dropping $1K every 20 days

**Far from massive** · 05-20-2017, 06:24 PM

I normally stay out of these kind of threads but this one is killing me.

While I agree 100% that an AI should be part of this regimen....I seriously question the advisability of starting a 34 yr old on a lifelong course of TRT drugs due to some low test levels 8 months post cycle that (I assume) have you have not attempted to deal with in other ways?

I would suggest seeking the advice of an Endo who will explore other avenues to try to restart your boys before just throwing in the towel at 34...

But that's just my opinion.

**Couchlock** · 05-20-2017, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Prescribing a solid dose of DHEA = Estrogen
Prescribing a med to high level testosterone TrT dose = Estrogen
HgH = Water retention.
And no AI???

Add an AI and it should get you back to feeling normal. It takes 6-months to see HgH results start. 150 a week Test for someone that was ok up until 8-months ago...dont plan on a lot of gains from it. DHEA could make you feel a lot better mentally.

Just as a helpful point...focus on getting back to feeling better. Work in that AI. Once you got it all rolling and labs look good then worry about "gains from PEDs"

Good luck on the TrT journey!

I was going to say , E out da' ass

**overfl0w** · 05-21-2017, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

I normally stay out of these kind of threads but this one is killing me.

While I agree 100% that an AI should be part of this regimen....I seriously question the advisability of starting a 34 yr old on a lifelong course of TRT drugs due to some low test levels 8 months post cycle that (I assume) have you have not attempted to deal with in other ways?

I would suggest seeking the advice of an Endo who will explore other avenues to try to restart your boys before just throwing in the towel at 34...

But that's just my opinion.

I feel absolutely fine...even prior to HRT... you've concerned me a little with the "lifelong TRT" ... how long will I be on this regime usually?

Also, to be clear, I was purely after getting some decent size, rather than going on some regimes... blood tests seem to reveal I had lower levels of test than usual, so he put me on that.

When I go back in 2 weeks, what are my options?

**DocToxin8** · 05-21-2017, 04:20 AM

TRT is usually a life long treatment.

There are some newer agents used (or about to be used) that can really jump start the HPTA and it's possible to start it up again with the available PCT drugs in many cases,
but your doctor should have informed you of the real possibility that if you go ahead with this, and stay on for any length of time,
There are chances you won't be able to quit using exogenous testosterone ;
meaning you'll have to rely on injections for the rest of your life.

**overfl0w** · 05-21-2017, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

TRT is usually a life long treatment.

There are some newer agents used (or about to be used) that can really jump start the HPTA and it's possible to start it up again with the available PCT drugs in many cases,
but your doctor should have informed you of the real possibility that if you go ahead with this, and stay on for any length of time,
There are chances you won't be able to quit using exogenous testosterone ;
meaning you'll have to rely on injections for the rest of your life.

few questions bear in mind:

1. what happens if I tell him i want to stop
2. should my levels go back to normal, and how long does this usually take
3. if they do go back to normal, is there a chance for them to go back down again