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Thread: Aren't a God? Be Zeus. 25 and under read

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    Aren't a God? Be Zeus. 25 and under read

    If you are under 25 and are interested in experimenting with steroids , please read and follow these links to fully understand what you can do before you make the decision. I also want all new young members to read a little about member, Hollowedzeus and his journey. The links to his threads are further down.

    Many younger guys from 16-25 get on here and ask about cycling and often get angry or disappointed at the advice they are given. The advice on this board, (most boards for that matter) is to wait until 25. We see many variations of interests in cycling from younger guys.

    #1 You want to get bigger and its not happening fast enough.

    #2 You want to cut down but don't want to get big or put on a lot of mass.

    #3 You want to impress the ladies.

    #4 You have trained and studied AAS since you were 12. (I hear this one a lot)

    #5 You are a hard gainer

    #6 You have low testosterone and/or poor genetics.


    If you wish to become large in a quick manner, I hate to disappoint you but it wont happen. So many seem to think a cycle of steroids is the answer to that 20lbs of gain they want at 18 yo. It is not.

    Once you step outside your natural limit, (which you cannot reach naturally before 25) by taking a cycle, you will eventually and rather quickly return to your natural max.
    Once you remove the supplements that got you past your potential, that added gain will go bye bye. Soooo many seem to think they can run a cycle or two and beef up quickly and somehow retain it indefinitely when the cycle ends. Not gonna happen.

    If you can't muster the drive and discipline to reach a natural plateau then AAS will be a great disappointment to you and a waste of time and money. When a developing endocrine system is altered and natural hormones are shut down, that development may not return again. It is literally a roll of the dice. You may possibly suffer low Natural Testosterone the rest of your days and be forced to reconcile it with TRT the rest of your life. You may lose all libido and fall into a depressed state you could never have imagined.

    PCT and cycles in general can hit a person different every time. I cycled at 22 years old, half assed it all and paid heavily. You guys looking to impress the ladies with some guns may wind up losing an erection during sex like I did and do sometimes. Two weeks later you may watch as some skinny punk with a working penis, walks off with that lady you were trying to impress. My first PCT was reckless and when it ceased was when the problems really started. My test was bottomed out and I had no libido and could barely achieve, let alone maintain an erection. I drank myself to sleep, lost 50 lbs very quickly, and contemplated suicide in my spare moments.

    None of it was cool or glorious. I watched all my gains and hard work disappear and I almost went with it.
    Never think, "Oh I just need 20-40 lbs so I should cycle".
    You will lose it and throw your body for a loop that can royally destroy your life.

    If you are a hard gainer, tough. We all are hard gainers and unless you believe you can become a pro bodybuilder you absolutely don't have to have AAS. Read the above again if you don't understand that you will inevitably return to your natty max potential without AAS. Do you want 40lb? Go eat and train like a sonofabitch and you will get there in a few years. AAS is not a shortcut or easy way out. Natural gains are worth ten times more than the temporary gains you get from a cycle, because natty gains are permanent as long as you maintain your diet and training.

    I hear many that are 18-20 saying they have been training and studying for most of their life if not since they were prepubescent, with "My diet in check Brah!".
    I call bullshit. If you honest to God have done that, you will not be the kinda guy looking for an easy way out and you will already be pretty damn jacked.

    There is no magic pill or oil!

    "Look at Dallas McCarver he was only 26! He cycled a lot!"
    You ain't Dallas. If you are pro material you knew from 14 years old.
    You can't half ass a decision like this. If you don't plan on making AAS your life and lifting and eating a full time job, you best stay away.

    To address the, "wanna cut" "don't wanna get huge" guys:

    PUT YOUR FORK DOWN
    You aren't getting anywhere without discipline and diet.
    Many get on here at 25% bodyfat asking about clen or T3. Clen is a finisher and not that great till you get to very low bodyfat levels that are unrealistic to maintain for anyone but a bodybuilder. Its not for fat little Johnny to cut up. Hell, ephedrine would do you better especially at higher bodyfat.
    T3 is not to be taken without testosterone/AAS because your muscle will disappear with the fat.

    You want an easy way out when cutting? Too bad...
    Save your money and get liposuction or cool sculpting. This board and the people here are not here because they took the path of least resistance, just the opposite.

    You want to give average effort and discipline, you will always get an average result.

    Doing things Right with low testosterone

    http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...log-18y-o.html

    Meet hollowedzeus. He is 20 and has made this his life. He lifts like an animal and maintains a great diet. He recently won a most improved competition on here WITHOUT AAS versus men using AAS. Zeus has very low testosterone and has still shown dedication, diet, and training are better than all the drugs in the world.
    http://forums.steroid.com/most-impro...il-2017-a.html

    Zeus, has followed the direction of veterans here and has taken the time to do things right. He is seeking TRT actively but has tried every available avenue to avoid it and get his levels up without TRT. Sadly it is probably the only way in the end.

    He has faced the sides associated with low T and still managed to gain like hell. He is an inspiration and should be a role model to people his age that are serious about this. You will notice he doesn't shun all advice or act arrogant at all.
    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-l...g-journey.html

    Now, if someone can't give this kind of dedication as exemplified by Zeus, my adviced would be stay well away from AAS. If you don't have what it takes, no amount of drugs will help.

    Do you need tips on gaining? Look here
    http://forums.steroid.com/workout-tr...young-age.html

    Do you still believe it is ok to cycle when you are under 25? Look here:
    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

    The prominent members here are not gonna tell you what you want to hear. They can help make you a machine though, if you listen and apply yourself fully. Beware of anyone who tells you what you want to hear.

    If you can't be a God you can try to be Zeus and you will have no limits.
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    Nice post. Been a lot of pups on here lately that think AAS is the cure-all to not eating correctly or putting the time in to get the gains. AAS not a sprint but a marathon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    Nice post. Been a lot of pups on here lately that think AAS is the cure-all to not eating correctly or putting the time in to get the gains. AAS not a sprint but a marathon.
    Thanks. There have been many like it but I figure hollowedzeus needs to recieve recognition for what he has done. We get younger guys complaining of "hard gains" when they don't face half his struggle with low test. Despite it all he has maintained a positive attitude always and worked his ass off. The results were amazing.

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    This might end up as a sticky. Thank you for taking the time to write this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTahl View Post
    This might end up as a sticky. Thank you for taking the time to write this.
    I hope they do. Their was breif talk of one of Zeus's training logs being made a sticky. We gotta get more attention From the young newbies and point them to his logs. The flood of newbs 23 and under lately has been ridiculous. Many are already on cycle or have abandoned a cycle a few weeks in because they didn't manage it right and paid the price.
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    Nice job OB!
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    Excellent write-up Ob.

    If Zeus can pull it off with low T problems, and I can manage the improvement that I have in my 30s, anyone can accomplish a good amount without AAS.

    If nothing else, the knowledge gained from the natural years will only serve to drastically improve ones results if/when the gear trump card is played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    Nice post. Been a lot of pups on here lately that think AAS is the cure-all to not eating correctly or putting the time in to get the gains. AAS not a sprint but a marathon.
    Sad to say it's not only the younger crowd.
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    GReat post OB! You did a really impressive job here.
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    Thanks you all.
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    I'm late to the party again�� But have to say well done OBS I love your honesty if they can't learn from our mistakes or experiences then god help them I'm so glad I waited till I was 36 knowing what the end result was probably going to be and at 45 regret to some degree ever trying aas...as great as I look and feel I would trade the muscle back for my 30year old cock again...if anything scares you let it be that young guns...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    I'm late to the party again�� But have to say well done OBS I love your honesty if they can't learn from our mistakes or experiences then god help them I'm so glad I waited till I was 36 knowing what the end result was probably going to be and at 45 regret to some degree ever trying aas...as great as I look and feel I would trade the muscle back for my 30year old cock again...if anything scares you let it be that young guns...
    I agree!
    I just got done walking a 23 year old through pct after he cycled wrong and lost his libido/ability to achieve erection. Lots of these guys end up abandoning cycles less that halfway through after they jack up their estrogen. Usually those same guys only take away the inability to achieve or maintain an erection for 2-6 months like I did.

    Meanwhile, a guy like zeus actually applied himself and even with low test, he achieved twice as much actual gain as the guys looking for an easy way out. Zeus gets to keep that gain as long as he wants. The other guys will often be right back where they started six months after with a bad memory of a disappointed woman.

    BG, once told me youtube is our greatest enemy and I believe he is right. Anyone can find whatever they want to hear on youtube and convince themselves to do things they will regret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    I'm late to the party again�� But have to say well done OBS I love your honesty if they can't learn from our mistakes or experiences then god help them I'm so glad I waited till I was 36 knowing what the end result was probably going to be and at 45 regret to some degree ever trying aas...as great as I look and feel I would trade the muscle back for my 30year old cock again ...if anything scares you let it be that young guns...
    Can concur with this ghetto. Only just friday i loaded up with 30mg of cialis in preperation for staying at my girlfriends. As much as she says she understands.... i know it hurts her than i cant get an erection without drugs.

    No woman will ever 100% understand that you cant get hard for her. There will always be the 'what if its me?'

    Definetly think on my peers....

    Ive never not had this issue - it is non aas related and i put it down to other factors which i am seeking help for atm.

    Dont choose to endure it as a young man.... even 30 is too young for ed.

    Think ahead and be smart
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    In my experience the slower you grow the more static those gains become. Running 4 weeks of dianabol or anadrol for example can be good for an athletic event, but once you stop all that water, strength, mass quickly disappears. I will push back, based on experience, that if one does a cycle and gains mass and strength it is possible to keep most of the gains if you slowly put on the muscle (12wk+), maintain high calories to fuel addition size, and properly recover endogenous test production or (esp for older guys) run TRT doses, and continue training consistently. The short version is that it takes less effort to maintain than to grow. But like what you were getting at, putting on 20 lbs from one cycle and then thinking you are done with AAS and will just maintain your initial goal is nuts. The more years of training the less likely for muscular atrophy, teenagers cannot possibly have all the years of training required for this.

    Now no one wants to hear this but no gains are "permanent" regardless if you are natural or use PEDs. You could be a great natural lifter and get sick and/or just age and loose muscle. It is not possible to be "huge" in your 70s or older, and ill advised 50+. Also, related to this is that being really big is extremely unhealthy and will take years off your life. One could probably even use Rich Piana as an example of this. For most people, once you start going over 250 lbs sleep apnea, cardiomegaly, and high blood pressure, and renal impairment are the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike View Post
    In my experience the slower you grow the more static those gains become. Running 4 weeks of dianabol or anadrol for example can be good for an athletic event, but once you stop all that water, strength, mass quickly disappears. I will push back, based on experience, that if one does a cycle and gains mass and strength it is possible to keep most of the gains if you slowly put on the muscle (12wk+), maintain high calories to fuel addition size, and properly recover endogenous test production or (esp for older guys) run TRT doses, and continue training consistently. The short version is that it takes less effort to maintain than to grow. But like what you were getting at, putting on 20 lbs from one cycle and then thinking you are done with AAS and will just maintain your initial goal is nuts. The more years of training the less likely for muscular atrophy, teenagers cannot possibly have all the years of training required for this.

    Now no one wants to hear this but no gains are "permanent" regardless if you are natural or use PEDs. You could be a great natural lifter and get sick and/or just age and loose muscle. It is not possible to be "huge" in your 70s or older, and ill advised 50+. Also, related to this is that being really big is extremely unhealthy and will take years off your life. One could probably even use Rich Piana as an example of this. For most people, once you start going over 250 lbs sleep apnea, cardiomegaly, and high blood pressure, and renal impairment are the norm.
    Dallas McCarver's autopsy was more interesting than Piana's, I completely agree. When you thro 100 lbs of muscle on a body that wasn't intended for it, that body will not last.

    I find it interesting so many physicians are trying to pin enlarged left ventricle/heart and enlarged organs on AAS without real proof that is the cause. Just being large it is more likely you will have enlarged organs.

    It has been known before steroids became prominent that broad shouldered muscular men were more prone to heart problems. From a dumbass's perspective even, cardiac muscle is cardiac muscle. That same muscle having to pump blood through a natural lean 140lb guy vs. a 280 lb lean guy... Well... Shit dont look so good for that big guy.
    When a persons veins are twice the size of a normal mans to accomodate their muscularity, obviously it will in time cause issue.

    Definitely being big shortens a life span. I am not saying AAS is safe, but how can a doctor or scientist say that it is the single culprit???

    Dalla's autopsy revealed his heart was 4x heavier than normal and his lungs, liver, kidneys were all huge. They were stating it like it was a shock. For fucks sake how many time bigger than normal were his biceps?

    I also fully agree on duration in terms of maintaining gains. Your body becomes accustomed to its size the longer you are that size.

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    Think the interesting thing about Dallas autopsy report was that he had an artery blockage of 90% , thats terrible, most 90 year old men don't have that much of a blockage let alone a 26 year old kid . thats just genetic bad luck (he also had thyroid cancer).
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    Food for though unrelated to the thread topic:

    If you put a large hydraulic cylinder on a hydraulic system it will require a larger hydraulic pump to operate that system at the same speed. The human body will accomodate for duties it must and not for long term preservation. Tbh it is a beautiful thing and almost sad.
    You throw an ever daunting duty at your body and you will become more effective at it sparing all longevity if it must.
    Our bodies natural born dream achievers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Think the interesting thing about Dallas autopsy report was that he had an artery blockage of 90% , thats terrible, most 90 year old men don't have that much of a blockage let alone a 26 year old kid . thats just genetic bad luck (he also had thyroid cancer).
    I worry I have bloclage with my bad choices and hell life for many moons. Sad about dallas.

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    Yeah I'd recommend the young guys to hold off unless they are on a pro track for BB. No need to mess with your great hormones at that age. If you're older and your test is tanked, TRT is a no brainer, in which case you stop caring about suppression and will be on for life.
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    I know this is a rare situation, but a friend of mine had a stroke 35, his is now 42, and has three kids, his diet was flawless, he looked great, and took incredible care of himself, not trying to scare anyone because he recovered very well and has worked his back of endlessly to be back to the shape he was in

    I read about the erectile dysfunctions as something if not the most important thing to think about, but an added draw for my friend was that after his stroke, he couldn't drive for 6 years until he was cleared to do so, wife had to take care of him and their two children (they literally just had their third) and that was what weighed on him most, the fact that he couldn't "be a man" for so many years was the most emasculating thing he has experienced

    I'm fascinated by the effects of AAS I've seen the benefits the draw backs and I've seen flawless and terrible recoveries during PCTs both physically and mentally, two the point that I have people sign informal agreements for I even offer them assistance, for their own protection

    Only piece of advice I say to someone who I believe is two young: what do you want th aas for (performance, appearanc, get chicks, any reason is fine)? Prove that you can make gains in that desire naturally first? Then consider the aas boost

    Cheers

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    Read the link about Zeus linked above, they are great and thank you for suggests them as a read

    I'd miss out on a lot of advic and personal stories/journeys if the veteran members didnt bring them up every now and then
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    Excellent read
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    Bumping again had hell finding it
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