After 3 years at gym new to propionate

[Mythril]

Hello iam thinking after 3 years at gym every day and alot of protein shakes to enter the steroids
I have find 4 bottle multiinject of TN pharma Made in USA (good or not quality i don’t know) and thinking to go at my 41 years old with 100MG 1 ml at every 2 days 3 times per week and i have already start with anavar what is you opinion about it?
At my age with working 9-10 hours a day and a physical testosteron at 360.
I can go to gym 4 days a week for 1:20min workout 🏋️*♀️ and 30 min cardio .

[Windex]

Read This:

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

[Testlolblast]

Hello iam thinking after 3 years at gym every day and alot of protein shakes to enter the steroids
I have find 4 bottle multiinject of TN pharma Made in USA (good or not quality i don’t know) and thinking to go at my 41 years old with 100MG 1 ml at every 2 days 3 times per week and i have already start with anavar what is you opinion about it?
At my age with working 9-10 hours a day and a physical testosteron at 360.
I can go to gym 4 days a week for 1:20min workout ��️*♀️ and 30 min cardio .

Umm...have you ever been on trt or talked about that with your doc?

[Rawdata01]

Umm...have you ever been on trt or talked about that with your doc?

I agree! That’s on the low end of normal! I’d suggest going to urologist or one of the TRT companies out there.


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[GearHeaded]

I see no issues running a cycle of moderate dosage testosterone and var, given your age and situation. but you'll need to decide if your going to stay on test and do TRT after the cycle or do PCT.. should probably have that all figured out before starting anything

[Mythril]

Yep i talk with doc we check the estrogen and testosterone all are in the limits , test is at 360 but after i talk wih doc he prescribed a nebido 1000mg per month but i have not seen any difference all this time with nebido plus iam using anavar iam in the 4week .
my diet is 2100 calories per day my proteins are at 200-220gr/day my carbs are 150-170/day my fats are 50-60gr/day.
I have lost 40kg last year with diet and gym and gain some muscles ����
But I believe its time to go to next level.

After my cycle I believe i will make a beautiful PCT and continue with some anavar smt like that.

[GearHeaded]

Yep i talk with doc we check the estrogen and testosterone all are in the limits , test is at 360 but after i talk wih doc he prescribed a nebido

After my cycle I believe i will make a beautiful PCT and continue with some anavar smt like that.

your natty test is low . then you got on TRT, ie, Nebido therapy. . so how exactly do you expect to 'make a beautiful PCT' ? at this point PCT is not really an option for you (as a good PCT would be recovering natural test production to optimal levels)

[Mythril]

Read This:

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

I have read it but to tell you the truth i really did not I understand about that Aromasin Dosed?

[Mythril]

your natty test is low . then you got on TRT, ie, Nebido therapy. . so how exactly do you expect to 'make a beautiful PCT' ? at this point PCT is not really an option for you (as a good PCT would be recovering natural test production to optimal levels)

So i am not an expert at steroids to be honest
Talking with few people advice me that at this time with 4 weeks nebido before second nebido i can try a cycle with 300mg/week propionate for 8-12 weeks after that do the pct for take back the natural test and estrogen
If i get it wrong please advise me with your knowledge!!
Iam here to learn!

[Testlolblast]

Yep i talk with doc we check the estrogen and testosterone all are in the limits , test is at 360 but after i talk wih doc he prescribed a nebido 1000mg per month but i have not seen any difference all this time with nebido plus iam using anavar iam in the 4week .
my diet is 2100 calories per day my proteins are at 200-220gr/day my carbs are 150-170/day my fats are 50-60gr/day.
I have lost 40kg last year with diet and gym and gain some muscles ����
But I believe its time to go to next level.

After my cycle I believe i will make a beautiful PCT and continue with some anavar smt like that.

1000mg a month!!! Well, you should be happy docs here in my area usually inject nebido every 3 months (as one single injection).

[Aerospace]

Great idea, after 3 years you've probably reached or close to reaching your genetic limit. A lot on these boards are overly conservative, if you are aware of how to combat the side effects, start anabolics it's great.

First cycles, depends on your goals:
Pure mass and strength gains:
500 mg of Testosterone Ethanate (pin half Monday, 2nd half Thursday for example)
50mg every day of Dianabol (split doses morning and night or pre-workout)
Could add Deca 300mg a week with your Test injections too


A good recomposition cycle:
500 mg of Testosterone like above
700mg of Equipose, split in halves with testosterone injections
Could add an oral like Dianabol, T-bol, Winstrol or Anavar .

[Mythril]

1000mg a month!!! Well, you should be happy docs here in my area usually inject nebido every 3 months (as one single injection).

Same to my place but doc is friend of mine.

[Mythril]

Great idea, after 3 years you've probably reached or close to reaching your genetic limit. A lot on these boards are overly conservative, if you are aware of how to combat the side effects, start anabolics it's great.

First cycles, depends on your goals:
Pure mass and strength gains:
500 mg of Testosterone Ethanate (pin half Monday, 2nd half Thursday for example)
50mg every day of Dianabol (split doses morning and night or pre-workout)
Could add Deca 300mg a week with your Test injections too


A good recomposition cycle:
500 mg of Testosterone like above
700mg of Equipose, split in halves with testosterone injections
Could add an oral like Dianabol, T-bol, Winstrol or Anavar.

That very nice but already have 4 bottles of 250mg/10ml testovis TNpharma propionate

[Aerospace]

That very nice but already have 4 bottles of 250mg/10ml testovis TNpharma propionate

So take your Test Prop then, pin 3x a week

[Mythril]

So take your Test Prop then, pin 3x a week

What do you suggest about aromasin ? For dose ? All the cycle how many mg?
Thank tou once more for your help.

[Windex]

Great idea, after 3 years you've probably reached or close to reaching your genetic limit. A lot on these boards are overly conservative, if you are aware of how to combat the side effects, start anabolics it's great.

First cycles, depends on your goals:
Pure mass and strength gains:
500 mg of Testosterone Ethanate (pin half Monday, 2nd half Thursday for example)
50mg every day of Dianabol (split doses morning and night or pre-workout)
Could add Deca 300mg a week with your Test injections too


A good recomposition cycle:
500 mg of Testosterone like above
700mg of Equipose, split in halves with testosterone injections
Could add an oral like Dianabol, T-bol, Winstrol or Anavar.

This is terrible advice to someone starting their first cycle.

3 compounds on a first cycle would have someone unsure which is causing what side effects.

Over a gram of gear on a first cycle is reckless, gives no ceiling to grow into doses or monitor side effects

19nor on a first cycle doesn't make sense and at the dose would require Dostinex/Pramiplexol ontop of an AI and/or Tamoxifen


Complete opposite of safety - please do not give out advice to someone like that if it is going to be reckless.

[Windex]

What do you suggest about aromasin ? For dose ? All the cycle how many mg?
Thank tou once more for your help.

If you had read the link like I had suggested it would provide you all the information you need for a first cycle - it's just a matter of substituting out Test E for Test Prop since that is what you have. However, Test Prop is best pinned every day, or every other day. Generally people don't like injecting that much in a first cycle which is why the link recommends Test E.

Your first post also indicates that you are drinking a lot of protein shakes. Realize that steroids are not magic and without a good diet that you will not get any further ahead with steroids. A lot of protein shakes is generally a red flag that there is a lot of opportunity to improve upon nutrition.

[Mythril]

If you had read the link like I had suggested it would provide you all the information you need for a first cycle - it's just a matter of substituting out Test E for Test Prop since that is what you have. However, Test Prop is best pinned every day, or every other day. Generally people don't like injecting that much in a first cycle which is why the link recommends Test E.

Your first post also indicates that you are drinking a lot of protein shakes. Realize that steroids are not magic and without a good diet that you will not get any further ahead with steroids. A lot of protein shakes is generally a red flag that there is a lot of opportunity to improve upon nutrition.

Sorry if i give wrong impression i take only 2 shakes of protein a day that 35grams X 2 times /day all other protein is from real food
A normal day meal plan is

8:00 oat Quaker 50gr with 200ml low fat milk
2 eggs boiled 50grX2
11:00 1 1/2 scoop whey clear zero Biotech 1 apple and 7-8 almonds non roasted
14:00 150gr sweet potato with 180gr chicken and green salad no salt 1 spoon extra virgin oil.
17:30 half banana 2 pils kre1alkalyn efx sports bcaa amino 9.7 mutans and starting gym
19:30 stoping gym other half banana with 1 1/2 scoop whey 35gr clear whey creating kre-alkalyn efx sports
8:15 200gr of chicken with 125 gr boiled barboiled rise.
23:00 200gr fat 2% greek yoghurt
23:15 sleeping.

[Windex]

Sorry if i give wrong impression i take only 2 shakes of protein a day that 35grams X 2 times /day all other protein is from real food
A normal day meal plan is

8:00 oat Quaker 50gr with 200ml low fat milk
2 eggs boiled 50grX2
11:00 1 1/2 scoop whey clear zero Biotech 1 apple and 7-8 almonds non roasted
14:00 150gr sweet potato with 180gr chicken and green salad no salt 1 spoon extra virgin oil.
17:30 half banana 2 pils kre1alkalyn efx sports bcaa amino 9.7 mutans and starting gym
19:30 stoping gym other half banana with 1 1/2 scoop whey 35gr clear whey creating kre-alkalyn efx sports
8:15 200gr of chicken with 125 gr boiled barboiled rise.
23:00 200gr fat 2% greek yoghurt
23:15 sleeping.

You should get off the Anavar , improve your diet, and run a test only cycle in the future. What is your height, weight, and bodyfat % ?

2k calories is like borderline what a female would be consuming.

The stickies in the nutrition section will provide insight.

[Mythril]

You should get off the Anavar , improve your diet, and run a test only cycle in the future. What is your height, weight, and bodyfat % ?

2k calories is like borderline what a female would be consuming.

The stickies in the nutrition section will provide insight.

Weight 104kg
Height 183cm
Age 40 to 41
Improve more diet?
I was 140kg i have lost this 40 kg
With this kind of diet alot of fish omega 3 tune
Plenty vegetables and plenty salads.
But as you understand the body at this age it cannot goes any linear and gain muscle only with food and lifting weights.
Can you guide me to a good diet plan ?

[HoldMyBeer]

Weight 104kg
Height 183cm
Age 40 to 41
Improve more diet?
I was 140kg i have lost this 40 kg
With this kind of diet alot of fish omega 3 tune
Plenty vegetables and plenty salads.
But as you understand the body at this age it cannot goes any linear and gain muscle only with food and lifting weights.
Can you guide me to a good diet plan ?

Once you get into it, you will know when someone's diet is off when they don't quote macro numbers.
Read the suggested links. Figure out your tdee, do something like a 40-40-20 ratio on your macros (% of total calories in proteins, carbs, fats). Use MyFitnessPal, it will figure it out everything for you if you set it up right. Then you just need to know what are complete proteins, good fats, and complex carbs.
As for a great, simple, effective diet plan: IIFYM (if it fits your macros)

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[Mythril]

Once you get into it, you will know when someone's diet is off when they don't quote macro numbers.
Read the suggested links. Figure out your tdee, do something like a 40-40-20 ratio on your macros (% of total calories in proteins, carbs, fats). Use MyFitnessPal, it will figure it out everything for you if you set it up right. Then you just need to know what are complete proteins, good fats, and complex carbs.
As for a great, simple, effective diet plan: IIFYM (if it fits your macros)

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For past 9 months iam at 40-40-20 thats why i lost 40 kilos of body fat .
I will keep reading the post thank ou again for your help.

[balance]

OP

Great job on your progress to date!
Looking at your stats you mentioned your 6ft at
230 lbs currently but no mention of estimated BF%. You also did not mention what exactly are your goals? I think this pertinent information will really help knowledgeable members give you concise advice. Also diet wise just looking over what you have laid out your intake of real meat protein is below 100 grams daily , while this obviously works for shedding weight for you I’m not convinced this will be ideal depending upon the goals you state moving forward.

[Mythril]

OP

Great job on your progress to date!
Looking at your stats you mentioned your 6ft at
230 lbs currently but no mention of estimated BF%. You also did not mention what exactly are your goals? I think this pertinent information will really help knowledgeable members give you concise advice. Also diet wise just looking over what you have laid out your intake of real meat protein is below 100 grams daily , while this obviously works for shedding weight for you I’m not convinced this will be ideal depending upon the goals you state moving forward.

My bf was 32%
Now iam at 25%
My goal is at 15-16%
My meals are :
8:00 200ml low fat milk with 50gr oats Quaker 2 boiled eggs 120gr
11:00 45gr protein whey 10 almonds non roasted 1 fruit
14:00 125gr brown rise with 180gr chicken breast or sweet potatoes with chicken breast or pasta with 150gr rio mare tune on water or beef filet non fat with rise or salomon with rise
Or beens with 150gr tune on water or pork filet no fats with sweet potato.
17:00 1 fruit with 30gr protein whey
17:30 gym 1:20 and 30 min cardio
19:00 after cardio 30 gr protein whey half banana
19:45 200 gr chicken with 130 gr boiled rise or green Salad with tune or green salad with 200 gr chicken or green salad with 5 eggs or omelet with 2 eggs and 5 egg white
23:00 kazein 1 scoop
23:15 sleeping
Thats my meal plan uo and down all weeks all days ar the same
Some cheat meal once at 20 days .
With this meals i have lost 40 kg
At this moment I receiving polyvitamin animal 44 anavar 40gr clen 40 gr per day
Clen is 3 weeks in one out .
Next week I beginning my cycle with 3 times per week 300mg per week.

If tou believe with a another meal plan i can reach my goals please advice me or give some ideas i will much appreciate

[GearHeaded]

My bf was 32%
Now iam at 25%
My goal is at 15-16%
My meals are :
8:00 200ml low fat milk with 50gr oats Quaker 2 boiled eggs 120gr
11:00 45gr protein whey 10 almonds non roasted 1 fruit
14:00 125gr brown rise with 180gr chicken breast or sweet potatoes with chicken breast or pasta with 150gr rio mare tune on water or beef filet non fat with rise or salomon with rise
Or beens with 150gr tune on water or pork filet no fats with sweet potato.
17:00 1 fruit with 30gr protein whey
17:30 gym 1:20 and 30 min cardio
19:00 after cardio 30 gr protein whey half banana
19:45 200 gr chicken with 130 gr boiled rise or green Salad with tune or green salad with 200 gr chicken or green salad with 5 eggs or omelet with 2 eggs and 5 egg white
23:00 kazein 1 scoop
23:15 sleeping
Thats my meal plan uo and down all weeks all days ar the same
Some cheat meal once at 20 days .
With this meals i have lost 40 kg
At this moment I receiving polyvitamin animal 44 anavar 40gr clen 40 gr per day
Clen is 3 weeks in one out .
Next week I beginning my cycle with 3 times per week 300mg per week.

If tou believe with a another meal plan i can reach my goals please advice me or give some ideas i will much appreciate

I'd look into tracking macros.

be much more convenient to write something out , when someone asks about your daily diet, like this--
200g Protein, 150g carbs, 60g fats

[Mythril]

I'd look into tracking macros.

be much more convenient to write something out , when someone asks about your daily diet, like this--
200g Protein, 150g carbs, 60g fats

So sorry yes my macros are 210prot 150-160 carbs 50-55 fat

But 2 months now I cannot lose any weight, i have change my exercise at the gym do more cardio, i dont know but i think a 2 month plateau is too much i have low the carbs feom 180-200 to 150-160 but 2 months I haven’t lose any weight

[Windex]

So sorry yes my macros are 210prot 150-160 carbs 50-55 fat

But 2 months now I cannot lose any weight, i have change my exercise at the gym do more cardio, i dont know but i think a 2 month plateau is too much i have low the carbs feom 180-200 to 150-160 but 2 months I haven’t lose any weight

Like I said before, you need to read the diet and nutrition sticky threads they will explain where you are going wrong (food choices, TDEE too low, etc). After you read them it will give you the foundation to build a much better nutrition program. Members of the board can further help you from there.

[Mythril]

Thank you i will do that immediately

Like I said before, you need to read the diet and nutrition sticky threads they will explain where you are going wrong (food choices, TDEE too low, etc). After you read them it will give you the foundation to build a much better nutrition program. Members of the board can further help you from there.

[GearHeaded]

So sorry yes my macros are 210prot 150-160 carbs 50-55 fat

But 2 months now I cannot lose any weight, i have change my exercise at the gym do more cardio, i dont know but i think a 2 month plateau is too much i have low the carbs feom 180-200 to 150-160 but 2 months I haven’t lose any weight

you may also need to adjust the 'timing' of your macros, and not just lowering things like carbs. example, consume all your carbs at the time of your workout when your more insulin sensitive. the rest of the day and your days off have no carbs but slightly more healthy fats (thats just a very simplified way of manipulating your macros with timing)

[Mythril]

can i ask something else?
I start the propion test eod 100mg
Can i build muscle and lost my belly fat at rhe same time? All guys at the gym the told me that i need to go up with the carbs to give me the strength from thhe drug.
40 years 106kg 26% body fat 183cm and they told me that i have to eat 250-280gr carbs and 300 protein to can lift more and more( i think its bullshit )now my macros is 220 protein 150gr carbs and 50gr fat
At this time i need to go more lean my target is to touch 91kg get leaner and build muscles especially at the hands grow more at hand and chest.

you may also need to adjust the 'timing' of your macros, and not just lowering things like carbs. example, consume all your carbs at the time of your workout when your more insulin sensitive. the rest of the day and your days off have no carbs but slightly more healthy fats (thats just a very simplified way of manipulating your macros with timing)

[HoldMyBeer]

can i ask something else?
I start the propion test eod 100mg
Can i build muscle and lost my belly fat at rhe same time? All guys at the gym the told me that i need to go up with the carbs to give me the strength from thhe drug.
40 years 106kg 26% body fat 183cm and they told me that i have to eat 250-280gr carbs and 300 protein to can lift more and more( i think its bullshit )now my macros is 220 protein 150gr carbs and 50gr fat
At this time i need to go more lean my target is to touch 91kg get leaner and build muscles especially at the hands grow more at hand and chest.

I dislike the term belly-fat. You can lose fat, which includes on your stomach, but not exclusively there.
I believe it is impossible to lose fat and gain (substantial) muscle, even while on AAS. You need excess calories to fuel building muscle, excess calories means no fat loss. People claim "recomp," but when you look at how they're actually doing it, it is just a small calorie deficit.
You can lose fat and minimize muscle loss w AAS, you can gain muscle and minimize and not gain fat (lean bulk), but I've never actually seen anyone do both (at the same time).

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[Mythril]

I dislike the term belly-fat.

Me too i hate it but..
So its one way only
If you eat like a dog tou get bulk
If you are at calorie deficit you get lean but no muscle growth

[GearHeaded]

I dislike the term belly-fat. You can lose fat, which includes on your stomach, but not exclusively there.
I believe it is impossible to lose fat and gain (substantial) muscle, even while on AAS. You need excess calories to fuel building muscle, excess calories means no fat loss. People claim "recomp," but when you look at how they're actually doing it, it is just a small calorie deficit.
You can lose fat and minimize muscle loss w AAS, you can gain muscle and minimize and not gain fat (lean bulk), but I've never actually seen anyone do both (at the same time).

the key thing to keep in mind in the debate as to wither you can build muscle and lose fat at the same TIME ,, is the key word there "Time".

"time'' has to be put into context, and when that context is set then you can answer the question 'can you build muscle and lose fat at the same time'

example - lets set the 'time' context at 5 years.
can you build muscle and lose fat over a time period of 5 years ? umm yeah of course

example - let say the time context is one hour
can you build muscle and lose fat over a time period of 1 hour ? umm no


so the answer to the question of wither you can build muscle and lose fat at the same 'time' , is dependent on the context of the amount of time. the answer may be yes or no dependent on that context.

[balance]

So sorry yes my macros are 210prot 150-160 carbs 50-55 fat

But 2 months now I cannot lose any weight, i have change my exercise at the gym do more cardio, i dont know but i think a 2 month plateau is too much i have low the carbs feom 180-200 to 150-160 but 2 months I haven’t lose any weight

Folks here have provided some excellent information.
I truly believe considering your weight and eating only 2,000 calories you have plateaued because you have crashed your metabolism. I know if I was consuming only 2K calories daily (I’m 195 lbs) it would not take me long to do the same. I also believe the guys in the gym telling you to eat more carbs are totally correct, I do not lift very good if I’m not getting a bare minimum of 175 grams of carbs per day. I know everyone is different but these are few insights of how things work for me.

[Mythril]

Folks here have provided some excellent information.
I truly believe considering your weight and eating only 2,000 calories you have plateaued because you have crashed your metabolism. I know if I was consuming only 2K calories daily (I’m 195 lbs) it would not take me long to do the same. I also believe the guys in the gym telling you to eat more carbs are totally correct, I do not lift very good if I’m not getting a bare minimum of 175 grams of carbs per day. I know everyone is different but these are few insights of how things work for me.

Yes dear friend I believe i have destroyed the metabolism.
The think is how to restart the metabolism?
I believe there ia 2 ways one is to increase macros other is to decrease macros but 2nd method is wrong i think

[Mythril]

Can someone tell me his opinion about the low fat milk and greek yogurt with low fat at cutting diet on aas??