Why bother running Test

[GearHeaded]

I'm glad you keep reminding people of this. As you know before now I only ran a couple of small test cycles with a little dbol on one of them about ten years ago and I didn't touch an AI. I do have some now in case I need it but these higher doses of AI's seem to have developed over the past few years.

the profit margins are the highest on AIs. the over recommendation of AI use became more and more popular the more and more UGLs started carrying AIs to sale. it got really popular on forums because UGL reps and sellers do all their promoting on forums.

I personally do use AIs when the situation calls for it. but its not something I'm going to buy and run with every cycle I do like a lot of thees dealers recommend .
AND if I was one of these guys that happen to be estrogen sensitive and would need to run an AI , then I simply wouldn't be running test and other aromatizing compounds as the basis of my cycles in the first place. lol , common sense . theres a hundred other drugs out there to chose from that work great yet don't aromatize. why bother taking a drug, just to have to take another drug to counter the effects of the first drug

[GearHeaded]

off the top of my head list of other drugs you can take and not have to bother running an AI

Deca
Npp
Tren
Parabolan
Mast
Var
Primo
Winstrol
Anadrol (no AI needed as it does not aromatize, but still has E effects and may require a Serm)
Superdrol
Stenbolone
Halo
EQ
Turinabol

I'm sure more will pop into my head . but my point is you can build a world class physique with these drugs and not keep having to run higher dosages of test and defeating the benefits of test with your AI usage.. just keep your test as TRT and stack all these other compounds and you won't have to keep wasting your $ on these AIs (unless your needing an AI for pre contest or something)

[GearHeaded]

having said all that . YES you all know I'm still a big fan of estrogen and running aromatizing compounds like high dosage Test, Dbol , Ment, for the sole purpose of raising estrogen and promoting growth.
I'm not really talking about that . I'm mainly referring to guys who are E sensitive and have to run an AI yet time and time again keep running Test and other aromatizing compounds . why do you guys bother doing that ?

[fiddlesticks]

Riddle me this batman, why do i feel like absolute death if my test is below 150-200mg? What role does testosterone have neurologically that the other drugs can't fill?

[GearHeaded]

Riddle me this batman, why do i feel like absolute death if my test is below 150-200mg? What role does testosterone have neurologically that the other drugs can't fill?

its direct and strong conversion to both DHT and estrogen (both these have a very strong effect on the brain) . which ironically are the two things guys want to take ancillaries for and try and suppress lol

[GearHeaded]

you should keep some Test in with ALL your cycles just so you can get some estrogen and dht conversion . 150-300mg should do the trick

[KennyJ]

If a new member reads the sticky that swifto started about AI's and estrogen related cancer It's enough to scare the shit out of em.

[GearHeaded]

If a new member reads the sticky that swifto started about AI's and estrogen related cancer It's enough to scare the shit out of em.

yeah there should be a counter sticky to that ,, showing how running excessive amounts of AI and/or keeping estrogen chronically low is going to cause a host of health problems, cardiovascular issues, lipid issues, etc..

you know what population of people have the lowest possible risk of heart disease ? females in the 19-28 year old range who also have the highest levels of estrogen . you never hear of a 22 year old female dropping dead of a heart attack (estrogen is heart protective). but these same women once they hit menopause and their E levels plummet, their cardiovascular risks sky rocket


sure AI usage is going to drop E levels and give you a more dry hard and lean look . but that look comes with a health sacrifice
(but hey most of us don't do this all for health reasons.. so I get it)

[KennyJ]

yeah there should be a counter sticky to that ,, showing how running excessive amounts of AI and/or keeping estrogen chronically low is going to cause a host of health problems, cardiovascular issues, lipid issues, etc..

you know what population of people have the lowest possible risk of heart disease ? females in the 19-28 year old range who also have the highest levels of estrogen . you never hear of a 22 year old female dropping dead of a heart attack (estrogen is heart protective). but these same women once they hit menopause and their E levels plummet, their cardiovascular risks sky rocket


sure AI usage is going to drop E levels and give you a more dry hard and lean look . but that look comes with a health sacrifice
(but hey most of us don't do this all for health reasons.. so I get it)

Yea I know you have touched on this before about when you skyrocket your test levels wouldn't it make sense to want that estrogen higher to kinda match it

[GearHeaded]

Yea I know you have touched on this before about when you skyrocket your test levels wouldn't it make sense to want that estrogen higher to kinda match it

yes. I will purposely add in something like Dbol or Ment (or jack up my test dosage) for sole purpose of increasing my estrogen. I use that as a tool for when the situation calls for it. mainly during what I call a 'Max estrogen' or a 'max androgen' phase.

however, I also use AI's and will have phases that are my anti estrogen phases and I will lower estrogen purposely (this is generally at the very end of a cycle). I manipulate androgen and estrogen levels depending on my goal and situation .

[fiddlesticks]

you should keep some Test in with ALL your cycles just so you can get some estrogen and dht conversion . 150-300mg should do the trick

Estrogen seems extremely important for mood, maybe that's why people on tren get so fucked up

[JohnnyV85]

So much gotdamn valuable information in this thread and all over this forum. Love it. Thanks for sharing and educating us less knowledgeable folks. Hope to be like you when I grow up lol