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    Advise on lean mass blast.

    Currently 6' 200 lbs Just finished up my 3rd test e blast 600mgs/wk ran it for 11 weeks (stopped early due to lack of gains) first was great, second good, and third not too impressive. I will be crusin on 175 mgs/wk test e for the next 10-12 weeks and blasting again but I want to add something new to the mix I want something to maximize lean mass gains but have the least amount of sides. Oppinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCMann View Post
    Currently 6' 200 lbs Just finished up my 3rd test e blast 600mgs/wk ran it for 11 weeks (stopped early due to lack of gains) first was great, second good, and third not too impressive.
    well then screw test. if its not working for you then don't use it (just do your base TRT). if your looking for lean mass I'd run some NPP or deca (front loaded) with a bit of Mast in there for synergy and perhaps an oral like a Var or Anadrol to get things going.
    NPP, Mast, Adrol is a great combo for clean gains
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    well then screw test. if its not working for you then don't use it (just do your base TRT).
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Thank you.
    Arnold ran gear for years and won the Olympia 7 times, yet he never ran test. the idea that you have to run test as the base of any cycle you do is BS or that you should run test only for your first cycle, etc. (test is great, but its not for everyone, we are all different)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Arnold ran gear for years and won the Olympia 7 times, yet he never ran test. the idea that you have to run test as the base of any cycle you do is BS or that you should run test only for your first cycle, etc. (test is great, but its not for everyone, we are all different)
    I'll be talking to you in the future about this. I like having my hair.
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    I want to keep it simple and just add 1 compound at a time was thinking EQ, or NPP. Seems like deca will has I higher impact on cholesterol (I don't have a problem and want to avoid one).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    the idea that you have to run test as the base of any cycle you do is BS

    So, that means no test base at all?! Just compounds? - I have never seen this backed by anything other than local bro science by folk that def don't look the part that should be giving advice on fitness anything.


    I don't care what we call 250mg a week today(trt, hrt or whatever else)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyJ View Post
    I'll be talking to you in the future about this. I like having my hair.
    Arnold had thinning hair lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    So, that means no test base at all?! Just compounds? - I have never seen this backed by anything other than local bro science by folk that def don't look the part that should be giving advice on fitness anything.

    I don't care what we call 250mg a week today(trt, hrt or whatever else)
    you should be on a replacement dose of test with any cycle you do. 100-200mg a week.

    by saying "test as a base" I'm talking about test being the foundation of your cycle (its bro science thinking you have to run 500+ mg a week of test with your cycles). its doesn't need to be. if your running a trt dose of test I wouldn't even consider that as part of your cycle, your just replacing natty test production .

    ^ having said that, my last cycle included 2000mg a week of test. so I'm not a 'test hater' by any means lol . its just for some guys test doesn't do shit for them but cause problems . so they shouldn't even bother with it (besides a replacement dose)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCMann View Post
    I want to keep it simple and just add 1 compound at a time .
    ok so then the first week you add Var, the second week you add Npp, the third week you add EQ , etc.. theres your one compound at a time
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Arnold had thinning hair lol
    I know people my age who have almost no hair and have never seen a steroid . I wasn't really talking about the Arnold part just the low test base with other compounds part. Since you mentioned it though did he have a hair job because he has a good bit of hair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCMann View Post
    was thinking EQ, or NPP. Seems like deca will has I higher impact on cholesterol (I don't have a problem and want to avoid one).
    NPP and deca are the same compound (just different ester and half life).

    Deca negatively effects HDL cholesterol when guys make the mistake of running a bunch of an AI with their deca cycles. keep the AI use limited/conservative and you should be fine. Deca does not aromatize much at all and running extra AI is totally unnecessary with it (you need the serum levels of estrogen to help the liver produce HDL)

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    I figured we had some miscommunication


    Totally not - u can do super low test + med or higher other compounds


    As long as test stays - we kinda need it and all

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyJ View Post
    I'll be talking to you in the future about this. I like having my hair.
    keep test dosage low , and run mainly pure anabolic compounds (not androgenic ones) like Deca , NPP, Var, primo . thats your best bet, but even then hair loss is 99% genetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyJ View Post
    I know people my age who have almost no hair and have never seen a steroid. I wasn't really talking about the Arnold part just the low test base with other compounds part. Since you mentioned it though did he have a hair job because he has a good bit of hair?
    A good head of hair? That is one mans opinion lol a good way to tell is if someones hairline is very straight/ how it looks when you're a young kid/ unnatural looking but their hair is very thin

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    I figured we had some miscommunication


    Totally not - u can do super low test + med or higher other compounds


    As long as test stays - we kinda need it and all
    absolutely ! I'm not a proponent of NO test cycles, or silly deca only cycles . my point was just that test dosage can just stay TRT and not have to be a foundational compound for cycles and you can just stack anabolics on top of your TRT

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    A good head of hair? That is one mans opinion lol a good way to tell is if someones hairline is very straight/ how it looks when you're a young kid/ unnatural looking but their hair is very thin
    I said a good bit of hair(meaning for his age)Advise on lean mass blast.-img_0304.jpg. Anyway I'm not gonna clog this thread up arguing about Arnolds hair lol. Anyway I'm 46 this is what I have left and I would like to keep as much as possible
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    Lots of guys half ur age have way less than that lol. That isnt bad at all. I have a theory capsaicin applied to the scalp would stimulate hair growth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCMann View Post
    I want to keep it simple and just add 1 compound at a time was thinking EQ, or NPP. Seems like deca will has I higher impact on cholesterol (I don't have a problem and want to avoid one).
    IF test isn't working out all that great for you , then EQ likely won't either. as EQ and test are very similar, EQ being basically a low aromatizing no DHT producing version of test. the thing is you can run a lot higher dosage of EQ and have less side effects then half the dosage of test.

    a nandrolone is probably going to be a bit more effective then EQ for you (much stronger binding affinity and a lot more anabolic even at lower dosages)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    IF test isn't working out all that great for you , then EQ likely won't either. as EQ and test are very similar, EQ being basically a low aromatizing no DHT producing version of test. the thing is you can run a lot higher dosage of EQ and have less side effects then half the dosage of test.

    a nandrolone is probably going to be a bit more effective then EQ for you (much stronger binding affinity and a lot more anabolic even at lower dosages)
    What would you recommend for dosage and duration for NPP? Also would their be much of an advantage running a little higher dose of test say 250mgs/wk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyJ View Post
    Since you mentioned it though did he have a hair job because he has a good bit of hair?
    Who in Hollywood hasnít, lol.

    Iím with ya Kenny, want to keep mine. Hell, I even did some transplants when I was 40. Expensive, but worth it & will likely do do them again. F the alpha male sh**, hereís to vanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Who in Hollywood hasn’t, lol.

    I’m with ya Kenny, want to keep mine. Hell, I even did some transplants when I was 40. Expensive, but worth it & will likely do do them again. F the alpha male sh**, here’s to vanity.
    This will probably get hate here but i think hair is like, the most important indicator of vitality

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    This will probably get hate here but i think hair is like, the most important indicator of vitality
    In Los Angeles, quite possibly, in Hollywood; most definitely (unless youíre Vin, Dwayne or Bruce).

    I just donít looking my age & have greater success in my profession if I donít look old and worn out. Plus, Iím vain, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    This will probably get hate here but i think hair is like, the most important indicator of vitality
    Oh yea prepare yourself now, probably about to get it. Personally I don't agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    In Los Angeles, quite possibly, in Hollywood; most definitely (unless you’re Vin, Dwayne or Bruce).

    I just don’t looking my age & have greater success in my profession if I don’t look old and worn out. Plus, I’m vain, lol.
    Honestly its just natural to treat people w good hair better lol. When i had buzzed hair i didn't get any special attention for it but now i always have my hair like.. 6 inches long and people always say it looks great. If i was severely balding id shave my head tho fuck that

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCMann View Post
    What would you recommend for dosage and duration for NPP? Also would their be much of an advantage running a little higher dose of test say 250mgs/wk?
    NPP 150mg EOD for 8-10 weeks (or a combo of both NPP and Deca , where you use the NPP as the front load for the first 5 weeks or so and the deca to carry you through the rest of the cycle)

    yes you could up the test to 250mg no prob. or you could add in a low dose of Tbol or Var just to get the effects of that lowering SHBG and thus freeing up more Test (basically giving you more out of less test)

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    We are some hijacking sobs. Don't mean to be though
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    NPP 150mg EOD for 8-10 weeks (or a combo of both NPP and Deca , where you use the NPP as the front load for the first 5 weeks or so and the deca to carry you through the rest of the cycle)

    yes you could up the test to 250mg no prob. or you could add in a low dose of Tbol or Var just to get the effects of that lowering SHBG and thus freeing up more Test (basically giving you more out of less test)
    What do you think sd's effect on shbg is? Since mast lowers it and sd is like mast on steroids (lol) do you think sd lowers shbg a ton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    What do you think sd's effect on shbg is? Since mast lowers it and sd is like mast on steroids(lol) do you think sd lowers shbg a ton?
    I don't know the exact answer to that , but my bet is that SD being dht derivative is going to lower SHBG to some degree like most all the dht's do.
    and of course it being a methyl masteron it should carry some of the properties of Mast
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    NPP 150mg EOD for 8-10 weeks (or a combo of both NPP and Deca , where you use the NPP as the front load for the first 5 weeks or so and the deca to carry you through the rest of the cycle)

    yes you could up the test to 250mg no prob. or you could add in a low dose of Tbol or Var just to get the effects of that lowering SHBG and thus freeing up more Test (basically giving you more out of less test)
    which would be better for overall strength and mass tbol or var and what would you consider a low dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    ok so then the first week you add Var, the second week you add Npp, the third week you add EQ , etc.. theres your one compound at a time
    Damn semantics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    This will probably get hate here but i think hair is like, the most important indicator of vitality

    Thank the stars that I look great bald,

    No way in how hell all guys can pull off my look

    Dwayne Johnson(the Rock) thank you in carrying on the trend

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    NPP 150mg EOD for 8-10 weeks (or a combo of both NPP and Deca , where you use the NPP as the front load for the first 5 weeks or so and the deca to carry you through the rest of the cycle)

    yes you could up the test to 250mg no prob. or you could add in a low dose of Tbol or Var just to get the effects of that lowering SHBG and thus freeing up more Test (basically giving you more out of less test)
    decided to go with GHs advise im going to run 200 mg/wk test e, 150mg NPP EOD, and some var. my question now is how much var should i run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCMann View Post
    decided to go with GHs advise im going to run 200 mg/wk test e, 150mg NPP EOD, and some var. my question now is how much var should i run?
    if your looking for just the SHBG lowering effects of Var to help your lower dose of test be more effective and get more total 'free test' , then all you need for that is about 30mg per day. IF however you want that plus some added anabolic effects and more CP upregulation (ie, more strength in the gym), then I would run at least 50mg Var per day

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