bulking steroid without mental sides

**morton30** · 02-27-2019, 12:39 PM

Hi everyone i have just gave up on a 400mg pw tren cycle 7 weeks in it made me so depressed i had mood swings. my partner cheated on me about a year ago she seemed full of regret and apologises so i forgave her so we put it behind us but 4 weeks in on tren its like i just found out about it like yesterday and i start thinking about things that i never did off tren propper screws with my head. so tren is not for me but after researching dbol and deca or other bulking steroids people seem to get mood swings/depression on those aswell is there anything out there that dosent mess with the head

**HDThunder** · 02-27-2019, 01:14 PM

I'm going to assume you were running test as a base for that cycle? There is nothing else out there I know of that will mess with your head like Tren . As far as other compounds causing depression or mood swings it's very much person dependent. You have to try them and find out how you react. Personally nothing else bothers me to any noticeable degree. I've run some big cycles.

I usually feel better on cycle than off. But Tren totally fucks with my head and makes sleep impossible. A test, deca , dbol cycle is a pretty standard bulking cycle that just about everyone runs. Rarely have I heard of anyone having depression or mental issues.

And frankly if you haven't even run compounds like deca or dbol yet you had no business running tren. That's an advanced compound. As you found out it didn't agree with you. Doesn't with me either. But I'd run just about everything else before I tried it.

**morton30** · 02-27-2019, 01:41 PM

Thanks for the reply thunder yea i was doing 100mg test cyp twice a week taking 0.25 of a arimadex with each injection and was also taking caber with the tren injections 75mg of asprin ed and 20mg of nolva a day. Yea i know i kind of jumped in the deep end and paid for it. I took enathate aswell so still have a few more weeks of this. I'm on trt so obiouly no pct how long do you think till i could jump on test/deca /dbol cycle?

**Charlie67** · 02-27-2019, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by morton30

Thanks for the reply thunder yea i was doing 100mg test cyp twice a week taking 0.25 of a arimadex with each injection and was also taking caber with the tren injections 75mg of asprin ed and 20mg of nolva a day. Yea i know i kind of jumped in the deep end and paid for it. I took enathate aswell so still have a few more weeks of this. I'm on trt so obiouly no pct how long do you think till i could jump on test/deca/dbol cycle?

Did you get any blood work by chance? I've never needed caber (just had it in case), but never needed it. I'm curious what your estrogen was.

I've never had mental sides from any gear... Not saying it's not a thing, messing with hormones is a perfect recipe for... Well... messed up hormones.

Is 200mg of Test your TRT dose? Was it Tren Ace, or Tren E?

**Hard.On** · 02-27-2019, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by morton30

Hi everyone i have just gave up on a 400mg pw tren cycle 7 weeks in it made me so depressed i had mood swings. my partner cheated on me about a year ago she seemed full of regret and apologises so i forgave her so we put it behind us but 4 weeks in on tren its like i just found out about it like yesterday and i start thinking about things that i never did off tren propper screws with my head. so tren is not for me but after researching dbol and deca or other bulking steroids people seem to get mood swings/depression on those aswell is there anything out there that dosent mess with the head

brother, my wife didnt cheat on me. Never gave me a reason to suspect anything.
My mind was fucking going mental when on tren . I thought she was cheating on me, was pissed that she slept with someone I had never seen or met before 10 years ago.

Tren is fucked. I stopped taking it and went back to normal. Never had those thoughts before or after tren.

**fiddlesticks** · 02-28-2019, 12:14 AM

Many people report dbol has positive mental effects while in my own experience superdrol has no positive or negative effects while anadrol has powerful lethargy effects. Instead of tren you could try dbol or sdrol. 75mg of tren a day will make most people feel shitty.

Not to mention dbol or especially sdrol are far more useful for muscle gain than tren.

**morton30** · 02-28-2019, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie67

Did you get any blood work by chance? I've never needed caber (just had it in case), but never needed it. I'm curious what your estrogen was.

I've never had mental sides from any gear... Not saying it's not a thing, messing with hormones is a perfect recipe for... Well... messed up hormones.

Is 200mg of Test your TRT dose? Was it Tren Ace, or Tren E?

i never got any bloodwork i was told it is pointless getting bloodwork to check estrogen while on tren because the trenbolone shows up as estrogen in the tests. i never used caber untill the end of week 4 when i noticed lumps under the nipples and yea the 200mg cyp a week is my trt dose

**morton30** · 02-28-2019, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Hard.On

brother, my wife didnt cheat on me. Never gave me a reason to suspect anything.
My mind was fucking going mental when on tren . I thought she was cheating on me, was pissed that she slept with someone I had never seen or met before 10 years ago.

Tren is fucked. I stopped taking it and went back to normal. Never had those thoughts before or after tren.

wow i was destined to have have this side then. never thought it would change the way you think about things like this i done a ton of research on it before i took it never really seen this kind of stuff reported

**HoldMyBeer** · 02-28-2019, 05:33 AM

For me, tren makes me a bit obsessive, otherwise it's fine.
What I have found with gear in general though, it will cause depression if you're not keeping hormone levels consistent.
For example, if I am using an enanthate (spelling?) And pinning every 3.5 days on time with the same dose I'm good. It's the weeks where I'm like, "let's throw in some pwo tren base, and my libido is slipping so let's double the test this week" where i fuck myself.

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**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-28-2019, 09:57 AM

Just stay away from 19nors..deca tren etc and ull be fine

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**GearHeaded** · 02-28-2019, 10:28 AM

Tren is 5x more ANDROGENIC then testosterone . lot of guys are sensitive to androgens and androgens can mess with your CNS and mentally.
500mg of Tren is equal to 2500mg of test per week in regards to androgen load. so if your mentally sensitive to androgens then your going to be much better off not running them and running anabolics instead.. things like Primo, Var, Winstrol , etc.. are anabolic steroids (things like Test, Halo, Tren, etc. are androgenic steroids) and will have little mental side effects as their primary purpose is just protein synthesis and muscle building (which is not going to be felt mentally)

**morton30** · 02-28-2019, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

Tren is 5x more ANDROGENIC then testosterone . lot of guys are sensitive to androgens and androgens can mess with your CNS and mentally.
500mg of Tren is equal to 2500mg of test per week in regards to androgen load. so if your mentally sensitive to androgens then your going to be much better off not running them and running anabolics instead.. things like Primo, Var, Winstrol, etc.. are anabolic steroids (things like Test, Halo, Tren, etc. are androgenic steroids) and will have little mental side effects as their primary purpose is just protein synthesis and muscle building (which is not going to be felt mentally)

if anything from the 7 weeks on this tren i have leaned out if anything havent built much muscle so now i should be bulking and Primo, Var, Winstrol ect are cutting steroids as far as i know?

i have found this on deca - Deca is only slightly stronger than Testosterone where anabolism is concerned, with a strength rating of 125. By comparison, Testosterone’s anabolic strength rating is 100. However, it possesses a very low androgenic rating of 37, making it favorable for those who are either sensitive to or with to avoid androgenic side effects

so would a cycle of test and deca be a good choice do you think?

**Charlie67** · 02-28-2019, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by morton30

i never got any bloodwork i was told it is pointless getting bloodwork to check estrogen while on tren because the trenbolone shows up as estrogen in the tests. i never used caber untill the end of week 4 when i noticed lumps under the nipples and yea the 200mg cyp a week is my trt dose

I've seen this posted before.... Anyone have any reasons why? I've never seen any science, and my blood work seems normal (through Quest).

I read somewhere once maybe it varies from lab to lab??.. Or maybe it had something to do with type of testing used ...... Anyone have anything definitive? I wouldn't think it would be person dependent, but I'm too dumb to understand a lot of this stuff.

**Windex** · 02-28-2019, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by morton30

if anything from the 7 weeks on this tren i have leaned out if anything havent built much muscle so now i should be bulking and Primo, Var, Winstrol ect are cutting steroids as far as i know?

i have found this on deca - Deca is only slightly stronger than Testosterone where anabolism is concerned, with a strength rating of 125. By comparison, Testosterone’s anabolic strength rating is 100. However, it possesses a very low androgenic rating of 37, making it favorable for those who are either sensitive to or with to avoid androgenic side effects

so would a cycle of test and deca be a good choice do you think?

Cutting and Bulking is determined by nutrition and training, not the drugs. You can cut or bulk on anything.

Create a short term and long term plan (goals) with accountability checks along the way. Research the science, known side effects, cost from your source (if a factor), etc of the different compounds. If you want to be successful you need to understand why to choose a certain compound, why the dose, and understand what you're injecting in your body, otherwise you are wasting your time and money. Test + Deca is a cookie cutter bulking combination but that doesn't necessarily mean it's correct for you.

Given the amount of problems you had on Tren I would strongly advise more time on the Education and cycle when more prepared with a stronger comprehension of the gear.

**Windex** · 02-28-2019, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by morton30

i never got any bloodwork i was told it is pointless getting bloodwork to check estrogen while on tren because the trenbolone shows up as estrogen in the tests. i never used caber untill the end of week 4 when i noticed lumps under the nipples and yea the 200mg cyp a week is my trt dose

If you don't get bloodwork done while using a compound for the first time then you have no idea how your body is doing internally. Don't listen to whoever told you that and do independent research. The worst side effects are the ones that don't give symptoms, like high cholesterol and lipids, which very common on Tren , oral steroids , etc.

**GearHeaded** · 02-28-2019, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie67

I've seen this posted before.... Anyone have any reasons why? I've never seen any science, and my blood work seems normal (through Quest).

I read somewhere once maybe it varies from lab to lab??.. Or maybe it had something to do with type of testing used ...... Anyone have anything definitive? I wouldn't think it would be person dependent, but I'm too dumb to understand a lot of this stuff.

Regarding tren causing a false positive for high estrogen..
you just need to find out if your blood work lab is using the ECLIA methodology for your bloodwork. IF they are , then your estrogen numbers are going to be totally inaccurate while running Tren.
example of lab using this method are Labcorp (prvatemdlabs). example of lab not using this are Quest diagnostics (labsmd). again if your using Labcorp to test your blood then your Estrogen levels will not be accurate (if on Tren).

**GearHeaded** · 02-28-2019, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by morton30

if anything from the 7 weeks on this tren i have leaned out if anything havent built much muscle so now i should be bulking and Primo, Var, Winstrol ect are cutting steroids as far as i know?

i have found this on deca - Deca is only slightly stronger than Testosterone where anabolism is concerned, with a strength rating of 125. By comparison, Testosterone’s anabolic strength rating is 100. However, it possesses a very low androgenic rating of 37, making it favorable for those who are either sensitive to or with to avoid androgenic side effects

so would a cycle of test and deca be a good choice do you think?

you were just trying to bulk on tren . and its doesn't get any more "cutting steroids" then tren . but theres really no such thing as a "cutting steroid " . there are only

Androgenic Steroids
Anabolic Steroids
DHT Steroids
Progestin Steroids
Nandrolone Steroids
Estrogenic Steroids
Water retentive Steroids
Class 1 Steroids
Class 2 Steroids
etc..

but in the study of the pharmacology of steroids, you will never find such terms as "bulking Steroids " or "cutting Steroids " . thats all up to you and how you decide to use them in regards to diet and training .

Arnold Schwarznegger bulked just fine on Primobolan (never ran testosterone), even though you may think its a "cutting steroid"

and YES . Deca is a great "anabolic Steroid" . it can be used for bulking or cutting or recomp or lots of other things. but its likely not going to cause you androgenic sides like tren . but it still may cause progestin based sides being it is a progestin derived drug