Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
Well the difference is that Dbol is Methylatated (a methyl group is added to the 17 position) so it can survive the digestive system (first pass of the liver) , and Eq is NOT methylated and thus has to be injected and not subject to the first pass of the liver.
note - when methylation occurs, a methyl group is added, without changing the actual DNA sequence of the molecule . so EQ and Dbol are the exact same molecule/DNA sequence . so thats what I mean they are the same on paper (just one is methylated for oral consumption and one is injectible only).

but keep this in mind . the liver is "magic" . when something has to go though the first pass of liver (and then another pass on top of it) , some "magical" shit can happen .
heck think about these things . if you ate too much chicken breast in a single meal with no carbs, your liver can simply take all those extra amino acids/proteins and convert them into glucose (carbs). Your liver can can take an inactive thyroid hormone, t4, and convert into active thyroid T3. your liver can take HGH and Insulin and then spit out IGF . your liver can take high blood serum levels of estrogen and then spit out even more IGF.. you liver can create basically almost seemingly out of nothing and make things.

AND your liver can take Dbol. which is just methylated EQ. and create nearly a whole new drug and make extra metabolites out of it that it does not do with EQ .
so this is how Dbol is so estrogenic and EQ is not. because of the way the liver metabolizes dbol. it creates unigue metabolites that are then armotized and converted to estrogen (actual its not even normal estrogen, its a form of estrogen that is 5x more potent and bio available then the estrogen that testosterone converts to)..

this relates to all sorts of other drugs as well . methyl tren (oral tren) is not tren at all after being processed by the liver. methyl test is not really test. same thing can happen with other drugs that are not AAS.


note - and before anyone asks. NO injectible Dbol is not simply EQ . injectible Dbol is still methylated and as such will be broken down the same way as oral Dbol, just happens on the second pass (the blood pass) of the liver rather then the first pass




I'm guessing you got anxiety from Tren based on a couple things .. you didn't run a high enough dose of test (or have another highly estrogenic compound in there like Dbol) , OR you were running way too high of dose of an AI while taking it. too high of androgen load with too low of estrogen will cause anxiety for sure . your brain has both androgen and estrogen receptors. Tren is super super androgenic (and not estrogenic) so its going to saturate those androgen receptors in the brain, but if you don't have enough estrogen to also saturate the e rescptors in the brain to counter balance the two hormones , then you can get anxiety and an over stimulation of the nervous system .

next time you run tren do NOT run it with an AI . run around 150mg of Tren, 400mg of test, 20mg Dbol day, 10mg nolva a day . and you likely won't have anxiety issues from it, cause you'll have a better balance of estrogen to androgen load in the brain.
Your exactly right. You hit the nail right on the head. I got gyno one time from deca so I figure I'm susceptible to prolactin induced gyno, and this could be wrong but I was always told as long as you keep your estrogen levels and check your prolactin will never get out of whack therefore my dumbass was taken anywhere from 12.5 to 20 mg of aromasin everyday. Lol. GH you are the fucking man.

If I'm running deca how long after my last shot do I need to wait to run Tren because I don't think it's wise to run to 19 Nors. Am I right?

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