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    Search for this 'estradiol ultra' and it should be the first one.

    Edit: or just click this.
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    Dang, its too far into the process to cancel my HGH test.
    I need to come up with another $86.

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    And yeah, I admit that I thought that ulta was too good to be true but no, they are legit and get you your results as soon as they get them from the lab.

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    Okay, so lets say if I give in to your suggestions and stop everything.
    I don't really want to do this. But it just crossed my mind.
    I haven't injected any test today, so the last time I did was Wednesday.
    If I stopped it all from here on. Till I get my labs done.
    Would stopping now give enough time for my testosterone level to crash, well below normal so I for sure qualify for TRT?
    Labs are in two weeks.

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    I just had this thought that what if all the amps I said were .8 - .9 that were supposed to be 100mg/ml 1ml each ampule.
    What if each amp had the full 100mg of tren ace in that .8 - .9 and I put it all in one big vial and changed the ratio of what was in each amp possibly 100mg / .8 ml
    I had 35ml so it should have been 3500mg in all. How much stronger would it be if it is actually the full 4000mg I paid for which should have been 40ml.
    But that same 4000mg is now in 35ml. And I've been taking .4 ml thinking that would be 40mg. But maybe its more. How much could I be taking if this were true?
    I think that would make it more like 114.28mg / ml. 4000mg divided x 35ml = 114.28571mg/ml I use .4 ml, so 40% of 114 = 45.6mg every day.
    That could be 39.2mg more per week than I thought I was getting. I'm not so sure this happened, but maybe.
    I didn't want to buy more tren to make up for the missing 5ml, which could have last me ten more days at 50mg per day.
    I was planning to go 12 weeks so 12 weeks x 7 days = 84 days. I have 35ml's divided by 84 days. The most I could take is .41 ml every day.
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    If they dosed it too strong I guess it could be more than 45.6mg every day.
    Maybe its closer to 55mg every day and its just too much for my first tren cycle, and thats why I have this weird chest tingling.

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    I paid about twice as much as my new connect too.
    If it was over dosed by as much as it was over priced then it could be twice as strong.
    91.2mg every day. I seriously doubt this though. But the amount I paid I could see it maybe be over dosed by some amount.
    For that price I just wouldn't expect it to be under dosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    Would stopping now give enough time for my testosterone level to crash, well below normal so I for sure qualify for TRT?
    Labs are in two weeks.

    That's ridiculous.
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    Ridiculous is being below normal, or 10 -20 points into normal consistently and getting denied repeatedly for over 12 years or trying to get TRT.
    I was obviously low long before I ever got tested. But the first time I was tested I came in at 255, and this was when I was 25, and before ever touching any testosterone boosters or anything else.
    I've been about the same range for the most part ever since, even coming in below normal. Its not ridiculous at all to try and drop my levels just a few points to try and get approved for TRT.
    I hear some places if you are under 300 they help you. Other places say if your normal but in the bottom 10% then you qualify. I hear 30% of doctors treating patients for TRT don't even do blood work before prescribing.
    If I wanted to pay $195 a month, I could easily be on TRT within 10 days, through Royal Medical Centers. All this is going on and you think I'm being ridiculous.

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    If something bad does happen it was my own choice.
    But its also my doctors fault. I would have never had to make that choice if they helped treat my low testosterone .
    I could have been quite happy with TRT alone.
    If I have to take a risk and treat it on my own, then why would I settle for only TRT doses of testosterone .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    Ridiculous is being below normal, or 10 -20 points into normal consistently and getting denied repeatedly for over 12 years or trying to get TRT.
    I was obviously low long before I ever got tested. But the first time I was tested I came in at 255, and this was when I was 25, and before ever touching any testosterone boosters or anything else.
    I've been about the same range for the most part ever since, even coming in below normal. Its not ridiculous at all to try and drop my levels just a few points to try and get approved for TRT.
    I hear some places if you are under 300 they help you. Other places say if your normal but in the bottom 10% then you qualify. I hear 30% of doctors treating patients for TRT don't even do blood work before prescribing.
    If I wanted to pay $195 a month, I could easily be on TRT within 10 days, through Royal Medical Centers. All this is going on and you think I'm being ridiculous.

    Legitimate Low T does suck. So does trying to trick your doctor into it, which is my point. If your doctor won't help you and you legitimatally have a need then seek out a clinic.
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    Here's my labs from back in 2016 when I did come up legit low.
    I was on felony probation at the time.
    I didn't have any gear or other drugs/alcohol at the time, while on probation.
    It was over a year and a half+ since taking anything that could effect my range.

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    Here is my labs from 2008 the first time I was tested.
    I was 25 years old, not long after what my prime years should have been.
    This was before gear of any kind that could have suppressed my natural production.
    I thought it was 255, but its close to that. I've never really had numbers much higher than this.

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    Do you have LH & FSH values from back then?
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    I've never had those checked. I've never had E2 checked either.
    I've tried numerous times to talk to many doctors over the years and they don't seem to know what any of that is.
    They won't listen. It took a lot of convincing and explaining just to start getting my free, and total testosterone checked.

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    So what would you think is not so ridiculous of a protocol to try and get approved for TRT?
    Would it be any better to wait 2 months before getting tested, or maybe longer?
    Should I even bother with a PCT if I ever do decide to stop and want to get approved later and feel like I'm doing it legit?
    Again this is just not what I really want to do, but if I went that route then what would be the honest best way to do it?
    You already said to seek out a clinic. I don't know that I could afford that if its a clinic that doesn't take my insurance.
    About the best I know of that I could do is try to get into the endocrinologist clinic.

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    You’re probably feeling signs of gyno this is normal when using tren i believe your title states that you are...i didnt read the thread. Since you dont have gyno get id suggest stop before you do. You dont look anywhere near 265 and 6’1 in the photos but could be the angles...or bodyfat etc...from what im seeing you definitely dont need tren. I suggest building a solid base foundation on TRT only for a 2-4 years and then make a presumption about where you need to start their with your blasts. Stick around the forum you will learn alot here and good luck to you sir

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    I don't see the problem with tren . It helps with insulin sensitivity which I'm very much so benefiting from.
    Do I need tren, no. Does it help, 100% yes it does. The insulin sensitivity is why I use melanotan 2 as well.

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    If I was to stop, I would crash my testosterone and my blood sugar would spike. And host of other major problems would happen.
    I'm not sure why all of you think this is the better option. And making wild claims that I don't know anything.
    You don't even understand my reasons for why I use the compounds I chose.
    I might not know as much as someone saying I don't know anything.
    But there is a major difference between not knowing anything and some other guy knowing slightly more.
    Telling me to learn what the drugs do. What exactly is it that you assume I don't know about these compounds?
    Are you obsessed that I said I would take 1mg arimidex every other day? Because thats not what I meant.
    What I meant was that I would take up to 1mg every other day at the max if I felt I needed it.
    If I need enough to be able to go to the max dose then I would be buying the right amount.
    I'm actually planning to take 0.25 to 0.5 mg every 3 days to control estrogen sides.
    The tamoxifen is expired. I'm not convinced its even legit to begin with. When 20mg has no effect, and 40mg has no effect.
    And I plan to start using dbol which raises estrogen. Then switching to arimidex would be a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    If I was to stop, I would crash my testosterone and my blood sugar would spike. And host of other major problems would happen.
    I'm not sure why all of you think this is the better option. And making wild claims that I don't know anything.
    You don't even understand my reasons for why I use the compounds I chose.
    I might not know as much as someone saying I don't know anything.
    But there is a major difference between not knowing anything and some other guy knowing slightly more.
    Telling me to learn what the drugs do. What exactly is it that you assume I don't know about these compounds?
    Are you obsessed that I said I would take 1mg arimidex every other day? Because thats not what I meant.
    What I meant was that I would take up to 1mg every other day at the max if I felt I needed it.
    If I need enough to be able to go to the max dose then I would be buying the right amount.
    I'm actually planning to take 0.25 to 0.5 mg every 3 days to control estrogen sides.
    The tamoxifen is expired. I'm not convinced its even legit to begin with. When 20mg has no effect, and 40mg has no effect.
    And I plan to start using dbol which raises estrogen. Then switching to arimidex would be a better option.
    This thread is bonkers. you are not making sense how can u crash your test when your on trt. you said you are diabetic? so you should be taking insulin to keep your blood sugar under control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    I don't see the problem with tren . It helps with insulin sensitivity which I'm very much so benefiting from.
    Do I need tren, no. Does it help, 100% yes it does. The insulin sensitivity is why I use melanotan 2 as well.
    Have fun trolling the forum i dont think anyone else is going to try and help you. You already seem to know everything right? Yea sure you do.
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    Yea this thread needs some closure to it. I’ll end my part by advising you to stop everything you are taking and go see a doctor and explain everything that is going on with you. Maybe throw a shrink or two in there for good measure. If you’re a troll then I advise you to get a life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    I've never had those checked. I've never had E2 checked either.
    I've tried numerous times to talk to many doctors over the years and they don't seem to know what any of that is.
    They won't listen. It took a lot of convincing and explaining just to start getting my free, and total testosterone checked.

    Well then, whoever is controlling your BW is clueless. Doctors know what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morton30 View Post
    This thread is bonkers. you are not making sense how can u crash your test when your on trt. you said you are diabetic? so you should be taking insulin to keep your blood sugar under control?
    If insulin alone worked well for me I would have good numbers before bumping up to higher test and adding tren .
    Guess you can't read well or you just don't comprehend what you do read.
    Clearly I've been saying that I have not yet been approved for TRT.
    I was advised to stop whatever I'm doing.
    How does that not make sense to you that my levels would not be right if I stop everything I'm doing?
    You have heard about PCT right? So you understand hormone suppression when taking exogenous hormones?
    You need to educate yourself before giving advice. Maybe you are just trolling like most the other guys here.

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    WTF is the train wreck of a cycle and thread. test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine. You have heart issues and you are NOT worried about your chest sensation? I can't imagine what other drugs you take that your doctors have your on. All those AAS and other things and you are concerned about price of bloodwork for something you don't need, ie HGH. SMH No doctor is going to think about putting you on HGH at your age and no insurance will cover it, so no need to even ask about that stuff.

    If you are here for help I would listen to what other people are saying. I see a major reason in them not putting you on TRT is your diabetes and weight control. Trust me from someone that went on TRT around your age that is now 51, being on TRT SUCKS! When I am low on testosterone is it under 100.

    Does not seem like you have an issue finding gear at all. Just hit the nutrition thread, drop your BMI with diet and exercise and start living healthy. Taking a lot of AAS and other drugs is not going to help you in the ways your body really needs to be helped. Get your body fat, triglycerides, and blood sugar in check without AAS like tren.

    Spend some time reading here. The best advice has been stated on here: Drop everything besides TRT. Learn what the drugs do and improve your nutrition, then worry about cycling.
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    I personally think he is trolling....

    Look at his username.... it's a joke name... often times trolls have sarcastic names
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    You just assume doctors know about this stuff.
    Not all of them do. Or they just don't care and act like they don't know.
    A good educated doctor who cares about their patients should know.
    And they should be responsible and order the right labs.
    Unfortunately thats just not how it is in the real world and these doctors end up being a medical malpractice liability.
    I agree on one thing. They are clueless.
    Even if every doctor out there knew what LH and FSH are and every detail about what they do.
    It still changes nothing. They don't apply what they know to benefit the patient anyway. At least not in my area.
    This is not just a matter of LH, and FSH, or testosterone . My doctors are put out to help with anything.
    I can't even get longer pen needles. They have me using these 4mm long needles that are so short my insulin often
    goes into my skin and it burns badly and causes my skin the bubble up. When I said I need longer ones I was told they don't make longer pen needles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    WTF is the train wreck of a cycle and thread. test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine. You have heart issues and you are NOT worried about your chest sensation? I can't imagine what other drugs you take that your doctors have your on. All those AAS and other things and you are concerned about price of bloodwork for something you don't need, ie HGH. SMH No doctor is going to think about putting you on HGH at your age and no insurance will cover it, so no need to even ask about that stuff.

    If you are here for help I would listen to what other people are saying. I see a major reason in them not putting you on TRT is your diabetes and weight control. Trust me from someone that went on TRT around your age that is now 51, being on TRT SUCKS! When I am low on testosterone is it under 100.

    Does not seem like you have an issue finding gear at all. Just hit the nutrition thread, drop your BMI with diet and exercise and start living healthy. Taking a lot of AAS and other drugs is not going to help you in the ways your body really needs to be helped. Get your body fat, triglycerides, and blood sugar in check without AAS like tren.

    Spend some time reading here. The best advice has been stated on here: Drop everything besides TRT. Learn what the drugs do and improve your nutrition, then worry about cycling.
    You're confused bud. I never said I was stacking test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine.
    I wouldn't take tren and deca together, they are both 19-nor compounds. I was talking about stopping tren at 6 weeks and switching to deca. This really isn't such a bad idea especially if tren is causing sides.
    You don't think trying something else might be better? I'm taking more test then I should with the tren so they are already competing for the receptors, adding deca would make it even harder for everything to work.
    And you think I'm about to run high test, tren, and deca, with all this other stuff at the same time? And adding GW. Guess you missed the part about stopping SKALD before starting Cardarine.
    You didn't even mention the part about stopping nolvadex and starting arimidex . Or did that cross your mind too and you just assume I'm about to be stacking both of these at the same time as well?

    "You have heart issues." Technically had a heart issue 5 years ago. I'm still being treated for it though, but have recovered heart function.
    It was nothing related to bad health either. It was something that could happen to anyone.
    There is no blockage, or heart attack, its not a clot issue. I didn't need a stent or a pacemaker.
    It happened years after a trip to south America. It was from Chagas disease. I got bitten by a kissing bug in Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    You're confused bud. I never said I was stacking test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine.
    I wouldn't take tren and deca together, they are both 19-nor compounds. I was talking about stopping tren at 6 weeks and switching to deca. This really isn't such a bad idea especially if tren is causing sides.
    You don't think trying something else might be better? I'm taking more test then I should with the tren so they are already competing for the receptors, adding deca would make it even harder for everything to work.
    And you think I'm about to run high test, tren, and deca, with all this other stuff at the same time? And adding GW. Guess you missed the part about stopping SKALD before starting Cardarine.
    You didn't even mention the part about stopping nolvadex and starting arimidex . Or did that cross your mind too and you just assume I'm about to be stacking both of these at the same time as well?

    "You have heart issues." Technically had a heart issue 5 years ago. I'm still being treated for it though, but have recovered heart function.
    It was nothing related to bad health either. It was something that could happen to anyone.
    There is no blockage, or heart attack, its not a clot issue. I didn't need a stent or a pacemaker.
    It happened years after a trip to south America. Is is from Chagas disease. I got bitten by a kissing bug in Mexico.
    Drop everything but your test and test to 50 mg twice a week if you want to go with TRT, IMO you need to do PCT and get in shape. No doctor is going to put you on TRT with your BMI and bloodwork. You have secondary hypogonadism and 225 test levels with your age/BMI means you can get these up with diet and exercise. If you are worried about your weight which you should be IMO ask your doctor for Saxenda. Your high cholesterol and triglycerides are going to lead to heart issues with those numbers, which I bet is due to your diet and diabetic control. I have not seen levels over 1000 before and yours were over 1300!!! Shocked you don't have a history of pancreatitis. Vascepa is an FDA regulated drug you can get your PCP to write as well for high triglycerides.

    You don't need tren or deca if you think tren is causing an issue. Caber is not cheap and I don't remember you looking to get a prolactin test to see if you are getting sides from tren or another of your AAS or drugs you are taking.

    All the AAS are not going to make a hell of beans to your health, it's all about diet and exercise. AAS is not a magic cure to get you in shape or blood sugar management. Here is where you will see results. https://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    You just assume doctors know about this stuff.
    Not all of them do. Or they just don't care and act like they don't know.
    A good educated doctor who cares about their patients should know.
    And they should be responsible and order the right labs.
    Unfortunately thats just not how it is in the real world and these doctors end up being a medical malpractice liability.
    I agree on one thing. They are clueless.
    Even if every doctor out there knew what LH and FSH are and every detail about what they do.
    It still changes nothing. They don't apply what they know to benefit the patient anyway. At least not in my area.
    This is not just a matter of LH, and FSH, or testosterone . My doctors are put out to help with anything.
    I can't even get longer pen needles. They have me using these 4mm long needles that are so short my insulin often
    goes into my skin and it burns badly and causes my skin the bubble up. When I said I need longer ones I was told they don't make longer pen needles.
    See and endocrinologist. They know that stuff. And lots of people that have posted on here do as well. As your insulin needles go, rotate your shot sites, its a sub-Q shot. Make sure they watch you take a shot to see if you are giving yourself a shot correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    You just assume doctors know about this stuff.
    Not all of them do. Or they just don't care and act like they don't know.
    A good educated doctor who cares about their patients should know.
    And they should be responsible and order the right labs.
    Unfortunately thats just not how it is in the real world and these doctors end up being a medical malpractice liability.
    I agree on one thing. They are clueless.
    Even if every doctor out there knew what LH and FSH are and every detail about what they do.
    It still changes nothing. They don't apply what they know to benefit the patient anyway. At least not in my area.
    This is not just a matter of LH, and FSH, or testosterone . My doctors are put out to help with anything.
    I can't even get longer pen needles. They have me using these 4mm long needles that are so short my insulin often
    goes into my skin and it burns badly and causes my skin the bubble up. When I said I need longer ones I was told they don't make longer pen needles.
    It is pretty easy to find longer syringes. I get mine from epeptidesupply but they are readily available all over. I use them for BPC-157 as I am not a cycler (yet), sub-q into the abdomen with 29g 1/2" or sub-q in the knee / lower thigh area with either the same or 31g 5/16"

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    My cousin actually got approved for TRT. Hes been on it a couple years. He says he hates needles and only injects once every two weeks.
    He said his doctor said he could inject twice a week but he doesn't want to. My cousin says he tested low one time and got approved right away.
    Hes 460lbs+

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    Its not just insulin needles I need. Its pen needles. Little screw on caps that thread on to a insulin pen.
    You twist the pen and push a button to inject it. This is way more convenient than a syringe and vial.
    BD makes a 6mm long pen needle. If I had my choice this is the one I would try.
    I take this other injectable called Victoza that is also a pen style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    My cousin actually got approved for TRT. Hes been on it a couple years. He says he hates needles and only injects once every two weeks.
    He said his doctor said he could inject twice a week but he doesn't want to. My cousin says he tested low one time and got approved right away.
    Hes 460lbs+
    You can use patches, gels or pellets not just injections. Chest sensation from tren ace or high test?-half-life-test.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by Chewbacca'sRedRocket View Post
    Its not just insulin needles I need. Its pen needles. Little screw on caps that thread on to a insulin pen.
    You twist the pen and push a button to inject it. This is way more convenient than a syringe and vial.
    BD makes a 6mm long pen needle. If I had my choice this is the one I would try.
    I take this other injectable called Victoza that is also a pen style.
    Saxenda is a once-daily injected GLP-1 agonist that will come in a pen offering up to a 3.0 mg dose. ... While Victoza causes a bit of weight loss in many patients, the larger dose of liraglutide in Saxenda helps patients lose much more weight.

    Care Touch Pen Needles 31 Gauge, 1/4 inches, 6mm (Pack of 100); MedtFine Insulin Pen Needles (31G 8mm) so stop trolling when you can get larger ones on amazon.
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    I'm not trolling. You are. You guys are a bunch of vultures just waiting to pick on someone.
    My insurance won't cover Saxenda. And why would I pay for needles on Amazon, when it can be covered by my insurance.
    My doctor needs to write me a prescription.
    Are you Canadian? Maybe you don't understand health insurance.

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    self medicated TRT cost about $6 per month . do you really need insurance to cover that for you ? is it so pricey its worth committing insurance or medical fraud and defrauding your health provider

    if your in legitimate need of TRT (without trying to defraud your doc) , then sure insurance should cover it for you. but guys that are defrauding their doctors and insurance companies , when they don't have a legitimate health issue, just so they can get a bottle of test , are simply raising the rates for guys that legitimately have needs.
    Hypogonadism is a REAL medical condition. you either have it or you don't . just like cancer . you want to fake having cancer so you can get pain pills? its the same thing as faking low T
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    Good attempt at being rude.
    But its my doctor defrauding my insurance.
    The last time she tested me and I was low.
    She didn't treat me for it.
    So I'm confused why she is testing my testosterone level again, when she isn't going to help if its low again anyway.
    You think the felony that comes with self medicated TRT isn't something to consider? That's one major reason I would prefer TRT.

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    Just so you know when someone is a little kid and an adult grabs their testicles and pulls and twists violently, and repeatedly.
    This is a real medical condition too that also leads to lower levels of testosterone .
    They can remain normalish size and still not work right, and hurt all the time.
    It happened to me and my levels are legit low. I'm still convinced that I might have a zinc issue too.
    Possibly from not enough HGH.

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    I'm not really sure what you call that.
    Testicle torsion maybe.

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