Chest sensation from tren ace or high test?

[kelkel]

Would stopping now give enough time for my testosterone level to crash, well below normal so I for sure qualify for TRT?
Labs are in two weeks.

That's ridiculous.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Ridiculous is being below normal, or 10 -20 points into normal consistently and getting denied repeatedly for over 12 years or trying to get TRT.
I was obviously low long before I ever got tested. But the first time I was tested I came in at 255, and this was when I was 25, and before ever touching any testosterone boosters or anything else.
I've been about the same range for the most part ever since, even coming in below normal. Its not ridiculous at all to try and drop my levels just a few points to try and get approved for TRT.
I hear some places if you are under 300 they help you. Other places say if your normal but in the bottom 10% then you qualify. I hear 30% of doctors treating patients for TRT don't even do blood work before prescribing.
If I wanted to pay $195 a month, I could easily be on TRT within 10 days, through Royal Medical Centers. All this is going on and you think I'm being ridiculous.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

If something bad does happen it was my own choice.
But its also my doctors fault. I would have never had to make that choice if they helped treat my low testosterone .
I could have been quite happy with TRT alone.
If I have to take a risk and treat it on my own, then why would I settle for only TRT doses of testosterone .

[kelkel]

Ridiculous is being below normal, or 10 -20 points into normal consistently and getting denied repeatedly for over 12 years or trying to get TRT.
I was obviously low long before I ever got tested. But the first time I was tested I came in at 255, and this was when I was 25, and before ever touching any testosterone boosters or anything else.
I've been about the same range for the most part ever since, even coming in below normal. Its not ridiculous at all to try and drop my levels just a few points to try and get approved for TRT.
I hear some places if you are under 300 they help you. Other places say if your normal but in the bottom 10% then you qualify. I hear 30% of doctors treating patients for TRT don't even do blood work before prescribing.
If I wanted to pay $195 a month, I could easily be on TRT within 10 days, through Royal Medical Centers. All this is going on and you think I'm being ridiculous.

Legitimate Low T does suck. So does trying to trick your doctor into it, which is my point. If your doctor won't help you and you legitimatally have a need then seek out a clinic.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Here's my labs from back in 2016 when I did come up legit low.
I was on felony probation at the time.
I didn't have any gear or other drugs/alcohol at the time, while on probation.
It was over a year and a half+ since taking anything that could effect my range.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Here is my labs from 2008 the first time I was tested.
I was 25 years old, not long after what my prime years should have been.
This was before gear of any kind that could have suppressed my natural production.
I thought it was 255, but its close to that. I've never really had numbers much higher than this.

[kelkel]

Do you have LH & FSH values from back then?

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

I've never had those checked. I've never had E2 checked either.
I've tried numerous times to talk to many doctors over the years and they don't seem to know what any of that is.
They won't listen. It took a lot of convincing and explaining just to start getting my free, and total testosterone checked.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

So what would you think is not so ridiculous of a protocol to try and get approved for TRT?
Would it be any better to wait 2 months before getting tested, or maybe longer?
Should I even bother with a PCT if I ever do decide to stop and want to get approved later and feel like I'm doing it legit?
Again this is just not what I really want to do, but if I went that route then what would be the honest best way to do it?
You already said to seek out a clinic. I don't know that I could afford that if its a clinic that doesn't take my insurance.
About the best I know of that I could do is try to get into the endocrinologist clinic.

[Cuz]

You’re probably feeling signs of gyno this is normal when using tren i believe your title states that you are...i didnt read the thread. Since you dont have gyno get id suggest stop before you do. You dont look anywhere near 265 and 6’1 in the photos but could be the angles...or bodyfat etc...from what im seeing you definitely dont need tren. I suggest building a solid base foundation on TRT only for a 2-4 years and then make a presumption about where you need to start their with your blasts. Stick around the forum you will learn alot here and good luck to you sir

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

I don't see the problem with tren . It helps with insulin sensitivity which I'm very much so benefiting from.
Do I need tren, no. Does it help, 100% yes it does. The insulin sensitivity is why I use melanotan 2 as well.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

If I was to stop, I would crash my testosterone and my blood sugar would spike. And host of other major problems would happen.
I'm not sure why all of you think this is the better option. And making wild claims that I don't know anything.
You don't even understand my reasons for why I use the compounds I chose.
I might not know as much as someone saying I don't know anything.
But there is a major difference between not knowing anything and some other guy knowing slightly more.
Telling me to learn what the drugs do. What exactly is it that you assume I don't know about these compounds?
Are you obsessed that I said I would take 1mg arimidex every other day? Because thats not what I meant.
What I meant was that I would take up to 1mg every other day at the max if I felt I needed it.
If I need enough to be able to go to the max dose then I would be buying the right amount.
I'm actually planning to take 0.25 to 0.5 mg every 3 days to control estrogen sides.
The tamoxifen is expired. I'm not convinced its even legit to begin with. When 20mg has no effect, and 40mg has no effect.
And I plan to start using dbol which raises estrogen. Then switching to arimidex would be a better option.

[morton30]

If I was to stop, I would crash my testosterone and my blood sugar would spike. And host of other major problems would happen.
I'm not sure why all of you think this is the better option. And making wild claims that I don't know anything.
You don't even understand my reasons for why I use the compounds I chose.
I might not know as much as someone saying I don't know anything.
But there is a major difference between not knowing anything and some other guy knowing slightly more.
Telling me to learn what the drugs do. What exactly is it that you assume I don't know about these compounds?
Are you obsessed that I said I would take 1mg arimidex every other day? Because thats not what I meant.
What I meant was that I would take up to 1mg every other day at the max if I felt I needed it.
If I need enough to be able to go to the max dose then I would be buying the right amount.
I'm actually planning to take 0.25 to 0.5 mg every 3 days to control estrogen sides.
The tamoxifen is expired. I'm not convinced its even legit to begin with. When 20mg has no effect, and 40mg has no effect.
And I plan to start using dbol which raises estrogen. Then switching to arimidex would be a better option.

This thread is bonkers. you are not making sense how can u crash your test when your on trt. you said you are diabetic? so you should be taking insulin to keep your blood sugar under control?

[Cuz]

I don't see the problem with tren . It helps with insulin sensitivity which I'm very much so benefiting from.
Do I need tren, no. Does it help, 100% yes it does. The insulin sensitivity is why I use melanotan 2 as well.

Have fun trolling the forum i dont think anyone else is going to try and help you. You already seem to know everything right? Yea sure you do.

[shaunjohn242002]

Yea this thread needs some closure to it. I’ll end my part by advising you to stop everything you are taking and go see a doctor and explain everything that is going on with you. Maybe throw a shrink or two in there for good measure. If you’re a troll then I advise you to get a life

[kelkel]

I've never had those checked. I've never had E2 checked either.
I've tried numerous times to talk to many doctors over the years and they don't seem to know what any of that is.
They won't listen. It took a lot of convincing and explaining just to start getting my free, and total testosterone checked.

Well then, whoever is controlling your BW is clueless. Doctors know what they are.

Good luck.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

This thread is bonkers. you are not making sense how can u crash your test when your on trt. you said you are diabetic? so you should be taking insulin to keep your blood sugar under control?

If insulin alone worked well for me I would have good numbers before bumping up to higher test and adding tren .
Guess you can't read well or you just don't comprehend what you do read.
Clearly I've been saying that I have not yet been approved for TRT.
I was advised to stop whatever I'm doing.
How does that not make sense to you that my levels would not be right if I stop everything I'm doing?
You have heard about PCT right? So you understand hormone suppression when taking exogenous hormones?
You need to educate yourself before giving advice. Maybe you are just trolling like most the other guys here.

[JaneDoe]

Listen to the most experienced guys on this forum. Open your mind to learning.
Humility sent greetings to you.

[David LoPan]

WTF is the train wreck of a cycle and thread. test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine. You have heart issues and you are NOT worried about your chest sensation? I can't imagine what other drugs you take that your doctors have your on. All those AAS and other things and you are concerned about price of bloodwork for something you don't need, ie HGH. SMH No doctor is going to think about putting you on HGH at your age and no insurance will cover it, so no need to even ask about that stuff.

If you are here for help I would listen to what other people are saying. I see a major reason in them not putting you on TRT is your diabetes and weight control. Trust me from someone that went on TRT around your age that is now 51, being on TRT SUCKS! When I am low on testosterone is it under 100.

Does not seem like you have an issue finding gear at all. Just hit the nutrition thread, drop your BMI with diet and exercise and start living healthy. Taking a lot of AAS and other drugs is not going to help you in the ways your body really needs to be helped. Get your body fat, triglycerides, and blood sugar in check without AAS like tren.

Spend some time reading here. The best advice has been stated on here: Drop everything besides TRT. Learn what the drugs do and improve your nutrition, then worry about cycling.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I personally think he is trolling....

Look at his username.... it's a joke name... often times trolls have sarcastic names

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

You just assume doctors know about this stuff.
Not all of them do. Or they just don't care and act like they don't know.
A good educated doctor who cares about their patients should know.
And they should be responsible and order the right labs.
Unfortunately thats just not how it is in the real world and these doctors end up being a medical malpractice liability.
I agree on one thing. They are clueless.
Even if every doctor out there knew what LH and FSH are and every detail about what they do.
It still changes nothing. They don't apply what they know to benefit the patient anyway. At least not in my area.
This is not just a matter of LH, and FSH, or testosterone . My doctors are put out to help with anything.
I can't even get longer pen needles. They have me using these 4mm long needles that are so short my insulin often
goes into my skin and it burns badly and causes my skin the bubble up. When I said I need longer ones I was told they don't make longer pen needles.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

WTF is the train wreck of a cycle and thread. test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine. You have heart issues and you are NOT worried about your chest sensation? I can't imagine what other drugs you take that your doctors have your on. All those AAS and other things and you are concerned about price of bloodwork for something you don't need, ie HGH. SMH No doctor is going to think about putting you on HGH at your age and no insurance will cover it, so no need to even ask about that stuff.

If you are here for help I would listen to what other people are saying. I see a major reason in them not putting you on TRT is your diabetes and weight control. Trust me from someone that went on TRT around your age that is now 51, being on TRT SUCKS! When I am low on testosterone is it under 100.

Does not seem like you have an issue finding gear at all. Just hit the nutrition thread, drop your BMI with diet and exercise and start living healthy. Taking a lot of AAS and other drugs is not going to help you in the ways your body really needs to be helped. Get your body fat, triglycerides, and blood sugar in check without AAS like tren.

Spend some time reading here. The best advice has been stated on here: Drop everything besides TRT. Learn what the drugs do and improve your nutrition, then worry about cycling.

You're confused bud. I never said I was stacking test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine.
I wouldn't take tren and deca together, they are both 19-nor compounds. I was talking about stopping tren at 6 weeks and switching to deca. This really isn't such a bad idea especially if tren is causing sides.
You don't think trying something else might be better? I'm taking more test then I should with the tren so they are already competing for the receptors, adding deca would make it even harder for everything to work.
And you think I'm about to run high test, tren, and deca, with all this other stuff at the same time? And adding GW. Guess you missed the part about stopping SKALD before starting Cardarine.
You didn't even mention the part about stopping nolvadex and starting arimidex . Or did that cross your mind too and you just assume I'm about to be stacking both of these at the same time as well?

"You have heart issues." Technically had a heart issue 5 years ago. I'm still being treated for it though, but have recovered heart function.
It was nothing related to bad health either. It was something that could happen to anyone.
There is no blockage, or heart attack, its not a clot issue. I didn't need a stent or a pacemaker.
It happened years after a trip to south America. It was from Chagas disease. I got bitten by a kissing bug in Mexico.

[David LoPan]

You're confused bud. I never said I was stacking test, tren , caber, nolvadex , dianabol , maybe mast and deca plus melanotan 2 and SKALD 2. Then adding 10mg a day of GW-501516/Cardarine.
I wouldn't take tren and deca together, they are both 19-nor compounds. I was talking about stopping tren at 6 weeks and switching to deca. This really isn't such a bad idea especially if tren is causing sides.
You don't think trying something else might be better? I'm taking more test then I should with the tren so they are already competing for the receptors, adding deca would make it even harder for everything to work.
And you think I'm about to run high test, tren, and deca, with all this other stuff at the same time? And adding GW. Guess you missed the part about stopping SKALD before starting Cardarine.
You didn't even mention the part about stopping nolvadex and starting arimidex . Or did that cross your mind too and you just assume I'm about to be stacking both of these at the same time as well?

"You have heart issues." Technically had a heart issue 5 years ago. I'm still being treated for it though, but have recovered heart function.
It was nothing related to bad health either. It was something that could happen to anyone.
There is no blockage, or heart attack, its not a clot issue. I didn't need a stent or a pacemaker.
It happened years after a trip to south America. Is is from Chagas disease. I got bitten by a kissing bug in Mexico.

Drop everything but your test and test to 50 mg twice a week if you want to go with TRT, IMO you need to do PCT and get in shape. No doctor is going to put you on TRT with your BMI and bloodwork. You have secondary hypogonadism and 225 test levels with your age/BMI means you can get these up with diet and exercise. If you are worried about your weight which you should be IMO ask your doctor for Saxenda. Your high cholesterol and triglycerides are going to lead to heart issues with those numbers, which I bet is due to your diet and diabetic control. I have not seen levels over 1000 before and yours were over 1300!!! Shocked you don't have a history of pancreatitis. Vascepa is an FDA regulated drug you can get your PCP to write as well for high triglycerides.

You don't need tren or deca if you think tren is causing an issue. Caber is not cheap and I don't remember you looking to get a prolactin test to see if you are getting sides from tren or another of your AAS or drugs you are taking.

All the AAS are not going to make a hell of beans to your health, it's all about diet and exercise. AAS is not a magic cure to get you in shape or blood sugar management. Here is where you will see results. https://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutrition/

[David LoPan]

You just assume doctors know about this stuff.
Not all of them do. Or they just don't care and act like they don't know.
A good educated doctor who cares about their patients should know.
And they should be responsible and order the right labs.
Unfortunately thats just not how it is in the real world and these doctors end up being a medical malpractice liability.
I agree on one thing. They are clueless.
Even if every doctor out there knew what LH and FSH are and every detail about what they do.
It still changes nothing. They don't apply what they know to benefit the patient anyway. At least not in my area.
This is not just a matter of LH, and FSH, or testosterone . My doctors are put out to help with anything.
I can't even get longer pen needles. They have me using these 4mm long needles that are so short my insulin often
goes into my skin and it burns badly and causes my skin the bubble up. When I said I need longer ones I was told they don't make longer pen needles.

See and endocrinologist. They know that stuff. And lots of people that have posted on here do as well. As your insulin needles go, rotate your shot sites, its a sub-Q shot. Make sure they watch you take a shot to see if you are giving yourself a shot correctly.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

My cousin actually got approved for TRT. Hes been on it a couple years. He says he hates needles and only injects once every two weeks.
He said his doctor said he could inject twice a week but he doesn't want to. My cousin says he tested low one time and got approved right away.
Hes 460lbs+

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Its not just insulin needles I need. Its pen needles. Little screw on caps that thread on to a insulin pen.
You twist the pen and push a button to inject it. This is way more convenient than a syringe and vial.
BD makes a 6mm long pen needle. If I had my choice this is the one I would try.
I take this other injectable called Victoza that is also a pen style.

[David LoPan]

My cousin actually got approved for TRT. Hes been on it a couple years. He says he hates needles and only injects once every two weeks.
He said his doctor said he could inject twice a week but he doesn't want to. My cousin says he tested low one time and got approved right away.
Hes 460lbs+

You can use patches, gels or pellets not just injections.

Its not just insulin needles I need. Its pen needles. Little screw on caps that thread on to a insulin pen.
You twist the pen and push a button to inject it. This is way more convenient than a syringe and vial.
BD makes a 6mm long pen needle. If I had my choice this is the one I would try.
I take this other injectable called Victoza that is also a pen style.

Saxenda is a once-daily injected GLP-1 agonist that will come in a pen offering up to a 3.0 mg dose. ... While Victoza causes a bit of weight loss in many patients, the larger dose of liraglutide in Saxenda helps patients lose much more weight.

Care Touch Pen Needles 31 Gauge, 1/4 inches, 6mm (Pack of 100); MedtFine Insulin Pen Needles (31G 8mm) so stop trolling when you can get larger ones on amazon.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

I'm not trolling. You are. You guys are a bunch of vultures just waiting to pick on someone.
My insurance won't cover Saxenda. And why would I pay for needles on Amazon, when it can be covered by my insurance.
My doctor needs to write me a prescription.
Are you Canadian? Maybe you don't understand health insurance.

[GearHeaded]

self medicated TRT cost about $6 per month . do you really need insurance to cover that for you ? is it so pricey its worth committing insurance or medical fraud and defrauding your health provider

if your in legitimate need of TRT (without trying to defraud your doc) , then sure insurance should cover it for you. but guys that are defrauding their doctors and insurance companies , when they don't have a legitimate health issue, just so they can get a bottle of test , are simply raising the rates for guys that legitimately have needs.
Hypogonadism is a REAL medical condition. you either have it or you don't . just like cancer . you want to fake having cancer so you can get pain pills? its the same thing as faking low T

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Good attempt at being rude.
But its my doctor defrauding my insurance.
The last time she tested me and I was low.
She didn't treat me for it.
So I'm confused why she is testing my testosterone level again, when she isn't going to help if its low again anyway.
You think the felony that comes with self medicated TRT isn't something to consider? That's one major reason I would prefer TRT.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Just so you know when someone is a little kid and an adult grabs their testicles and pulls and twists violently, and repeatedly.
This is a real medical condition too that also leads to lower levels of testosterone .
They can remain normalish size and still not work right, and hurt all the time.
It happened to me and my levels are legit low. I'm still convinced that I might have a zinc issue too.
Possibly from not enough HGH.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

I'm not really sure what you call that.
Testicle torsion maybe.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

The most affordable TRT clinic I can find costs $195 a month.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Canadians have it easy. Gear is legal in Canada.
That's why I cross the border every day.
Mexico might have it better. I hear gear is legal there too.
And a bunch of other cool stuff.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

So being a insulin dependent diabetic, does that mean I'm on HRT?
Insulin is a hormone too.

[David LoPan]

OMG, you are still on this? I am in the states. Guess what, when I was in my 30s and went on TRT it was not covered at all on insurance. Unless you are DX from an endocrinologist, not your PCP, you either have primary or secondary hypogonadism insurance will not pay. TRT clinics are self-pay and you will pay for them. There is a TRT section on this forum with a sticky. Guess what, that endocrinologist is the doctor that will treat HGH but it is not a covered drug so you will have to self pay. Learn more about HGH and how it declines in adult men here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3940699/

Why pay for needles when insurance pays for them, well you complain about how large the needles are. Want bigger they cost 14.99 for 200 of them. That is cheap and will keep everyone's insurance premiums down. The reason why America has a high cost of drugs is we subsidize other countries' drugs. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ion_drugs.html

You seem to have enough money to pay for tren and Trenbolone acetate was never approved for use in humans so there is an easy felony so stop with the "cant self medicate with testosterone when it is a felony" when you are doing it now.

Ugh, how did I get sucked into this trolls thread?

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

I literally just said I go to Canada daily where all of that is kept at a friends house where it is legal.
Not a felony in Canada. If I had TRT that would be legal too and all I would need to get by.
I could stop doing these daily trips to Canada. And seasonal trips to Mexico.
Watch out for those kissing bugs if you go to Mexico.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

Tren being a a felony has already been covered in this thread, you just didn't know it.
The part where I said something like if I have to take a risk to self medicate TRT then why would I settle for just testosterone .
Its costing me a ton of cash in travel to do it legally.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

The law is the same with melanotan 2, and everything else too. Except the SKALD.
GW is in a bit of a grey area. Its legal for research. But not for human consumption.
Not sure if that means it is a felony for human consumption. But obviously illegal.

[Chewbacca'sRedRocket]

It took months of buying like 10mls here and 20 mls the next month and so on.
I got a credit line just for some gear. I get way better prices now.
It was $300 in tren alone.