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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
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    One thing I think you are missing is:
    The longer you are on cycle the harder the recovery can be.
    Think if it this way...
    If you start a car up every day, it fires right up.
    If you start it up every month, it probably fires up fine.
    If you start a car up once a year, it may not fire up at all. And if it does fire up, it probably will run like shit.


    So yes, you can make gains at 200mg/week but you may have to run it for a year straight to reach your goals.
    You may reach those goals in 12-16 weeks at 500mg/week.
    I have one question for you then. Usually when people are starting something new the wise thing to do is start small and see how it affects you before you dive in. Would you say that this is not advisable in the situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GargaML View Post
    1. I know now. It took multiple dialogues to figure out shut down was not permanent necessarily and that was where I was stuck.

    2. Yup. I had that part down as well.

    3. This also makes sense. I knew this piece of information as well.

    4. I am the opposite of all over the place I am focused like a laser and I know exactly what I want. Much like a machine learning algorithm Iím trying to take the opinions of a bunch of different models to come up with a weighted answer. No three people say the same thing, and I expect that. Thatís why am here together multiple opinions before I do exactly what I was aiming to do. But I will enter at the proper point because of you guys. Gracias.

    Also, I know I will be shut down. The severity and length of that shut down is a variable. I have gathered this information thank you.

    I have read that post at least 24 times, day and night. I can recite all the dosages by memory. I have already ordered all of the requisite material. I am proud to be from the same town as that original poster as I have said in three or four posts prior to this.

    Sorry if I have frustrated anyone. But my goal is to gather information.
    Good, sounds like you have everything you need. Good luck and please do keep us posted on your progress when you start!

    Edit: This is the HPTA write-up I was referring to. It is different than the planning my first cycle sticky.
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    400-500mg of test per week is a beginner cycle. It is not an intense cycle.
    It may seem scary or intense to you but it is fairly mild.

    I will try to make this short:
    You could go on 200mg a week for 12 weeks and put on 3lbs of muscle.
    You could go on 500mg a week for 12 weeks and put on 7lbs of muscle.

    But what happened when you come off (and probably run a PCT)?

    You will lose some of your gains because you will go thru a phase where your body produces a low amount of test.
    So let's say you lose 2lbs of muscle during this low test period.

    Well the net affect is either a 3-2=1lb gain or a 7-2=5lb gain.
    And you always run the risk that you have damaged your HPTA.

    Well is a 1lb gain worth the risk of a cycle?
    And is a 5lb gain worth the risk of a cycle?

    For me... I wouldn't run the risk of damaging my HPTA for a 1lb gain.


    This is all over simplified but just trying to get you to understand why people say:
    They wouldn't recommend shutting down your HPTA for less than 400-500mg of test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Good, sounds like you have everything you need. Good luck and please do keep us posted on your progress when you start!

    Edit: This is the HPTA write-up I was referring to. It is different than the planning my first cycle sticky.
    I definitely don’t have everything I need. I have 90% of the information I need. I only have about 50% of the material. And no I’m not asking for a source so please moderator don’t smack me.

    And you bet your ass I will. I cannot wait to stand up with 300kg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    400-500mg of test per week is a beginner cycle. It is not an intense cycle.
    It may seem scary or intense to you but it is fairly mild.

    I will try to make this short:
    You could go on 200mg a week for 12 weeks and put on 3lbs of muscle.
    You could go on 500mg a week for 12 weeks and put on 7lbs of muscle.

    But what happened when you come off (and probably run a PCT)?

    You will lose some of your gains because you will go thru a phase where your body produces a low amount of test.
    So let's say you lose 2lbs of muscle during this low test period.

    Well the net affect is either a 3-2=1lb gain or a 7-2=5lb gain.
    And you always run the risk that you have damaged your HPTA.

    Well is a 1lb gain worth the risk of a cycle?
    And is a 5lb gain worth the risk of a cycle?

    For me... I wouldn't run the risk of damaging my HPTA for a 1lb gain.


    This is all over simplified but just trying to get you to understand why people say:
    They wouldn't recommend shutting down your HPTA for less than 400-500mg of test.
    This is a very intuitive explanation. Yet again. Thank you sir. I finally have gathered the rationale behind the 4 to 500 mg per week recommendations coming from the majority of people here. I think it is a prudent starting point. We can let the question of where should I start an AAS cycle as a beginner live forever answered in this thread.

    Now, I have to consider the other avenue. TRT. To be perfectly honest, the roller coaster ride of cycle and post cycle and cycle and post cycle with a cocktail of various powerful drugs sounds horrible. And I think as human beings it’s a little arrogant of us to imagine that we have it dialed in perfectly without long-term peril. I consider myself a really bright guy, but I would never ever assume I had it figured out Enough to sleep soundly at night knowing I might leave my kids behind if I fuck this up slightly. This is just my opinion. I know you guys don’t share it. Also, everyone seems to think TRT is a healthier lifestyle anyway. It’s a big decision

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    You already were advised and you agreed that you don’t need TRT. You have great test levels for your age. 715ish if I remember correctly.

    The third option is blast and cruise which is cycling then TRT then cycle then TRT then cycle etc... you never PCT.

    Personally I think the thought of you debating blasting and cruising is silly. You haven’t even cycled yet so there is no way to know that you want to blast and cruise forever.

    IMO: do a cycle and PCT

    After that experience you will be much wiser and be able to formulate your next step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    You already were advised and you agreed that you don’t need TRT. You have great test levels for your age. 715ish if I remember correctly.

    The third option is blast and cruise which is cycling then TRT then cycle then TRT then cycle etc... you never PCT.

    Personally I think the thought of you debating blasting and cruising is silly. You haven’t even cycled yet so there is no way to know that you want to blast and cruise forever.

    IMO: do a cycle and PCT

    After that experience you will be much wiser and be able to formulate your next step.
    I cant argue with that. Thanks DD. May you pull 1000

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