Proper Dianabol cycle

**Cuz** · 01-06-2021, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Hell, my ugl test gives me more consistent bloods (+/-3-5%) than the Watson pharma I used to use gave me (+/-25-30%).

The pfizer is the only pharma i like. The watson and perrigro are garbage imo probably underdosed

**SampsonandDelilah** · 01-06-2021, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

Hell, my ugl test gives me more consistent bloods (+/-3-5%) than the Watson pharma I used to use gave me (+/-25-30%).

Generic drug manufacturers are allowed a 20% variance rate by the FDA. It’s crazy when you think about it...your generic RX could be 20% above or below the established efficacy baseline.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 01-06-2021, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Generic drug manufacturers are allowed a 20% variance rate by the FDA. It’s crazy when you think about it...your generic RX could be 20% above or below the established efficacy baseline.

Wonder why shitty rules like this exist?

Any ideas?

**Forestdweller** · 01-06-2021, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Generic drug manufacturers are allowed a 20% variance rate by the FDA. It’s crazy when you think about it...your generic RX could be 20% above or below the established efficacy baseline.

was wondering where this falls as far as quality. Ill look around some more. What brands are considered reliable besides Pfizer mentioned above

**SampsonandDelilah** · 01-06-2021, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Wonder why shitty rules like this exist?

Any ideas?

To simplify it the best that I can it’s essentially wiggle room from the FDA to get their recipe as close as they can the original and also acknowledging they don’t have the same access to the original “ingredients”.

Data shows that the variability is closer to 4% collectively for all generic manufacturers collectively so it’s not as alarming as it seems when choosing a generic (which is most often mandated by managed care) but it does explain why there can be such a swing in prescription strength.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 01-06-2021, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

To simplify it the best that I can it’s essentially wiggle room from the FDA to get their recipe as close as they can the original and also acknowledging they don’t have the same access to the original “ingredients”.

Data shows that the variability is closer to 4% collectively for all generic manufacturers collectively so it’s not as alarming as it seems when choosing a generic (which is most often mandated by managed care) but it does explain why there can be such a swing in prescription strength.

Thanks for the explanation.

I've used both generic and brand name for my thyroid meds...
Can't say I can tell the difference.

As far as testosterone cypionate from the pharmacy...
I use Hospira...
Is that considered Generic?
Does testosterone cypionate have a brand name version?

**Gallowmere** · 01-06-2021, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Thanks for the explanation.

I've used both generic and brand name for my thyroid meds...
Can't say I can tell the difference.

As far as testosterone cypionate from the pharmacy...
I use Hospira...
Is that considered Generic?
Does testosterone cypionate have a brand name version?

Depot-Testosterone by Pfizer is the main brand name Cyp in the US.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 01-06-2021, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Thanks for the explanation.

I've used both generic and brand name for my thyroid meds...
Can't say I can tell the difference.

As far as testosterone cypionate from the pharmacy...
I use Hospira...
Is that considered Generic?
Does testosterone cypionate have a brand name version?

Hospira is Pfizer’s generic branch that they recently acquired. Branded medicines are associated with marketing and “branding” strategies which are so difficult on products that have been around for so long. The best “branding” they do is having the name “Pfizer” on the box. Because it’s all proprietary it’s hard to say if the ingredients or recipe is any different between the hospira and the Pfizer brands. If I had to guess, I’d say that just the box and the labels are different.

Short answer is yes, hospira is consolidating a generic

**Forestdweller** · 01-06-2021, 06:03 PM

OK, mulled this over with inputs from this board. This thread has taken a bit of a detour off topic, but thats ok, maybe it will help others too in future.

If I go ahead after green light from blood work, I would do a 12 week, test only run. 250mg 2x a week, like Cypionate and Arimidex to keep estrogen in check. Then Novaldex for PCT. Am I on the right track here? Thanks again

**Forestdweller** · 01-06-2021, 06:04 PM

OK, mulled this over with inputs from this board. This thread has taken a bit of a detour off topic, but thats ok, maybe it will help others too in future.

If I go ahead after green light from blood work, I would do a 12 week, test only run. 200mg 2x a week, maybe less? like Cypionate and Arimidex to keep estrogen in check. Then Novaldex for PCT. Am I on the right track here? Thanks again

**SampsonandDelilah** · 01-07-2021, 01:45 AM

Right track, yes. I would not go lower than 400. It’s not worth shutting yourself down over a nominal amount of test. You would want to add clomid to your nolva for PCT as well.

**Forestdweller** · 01-07-2021, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Right track, yes. I would not go lower than 400. It’s not worth shutting yourself down over a nominal amount of test. You would want to add clomid to your nolva for PCT as well.

Thats the problem with internet and youtube searches, often inconclusive. The clomid was brought up and many prefer Nolva over clomid and some took both but no solid follow up posts I could find. But taking both was mentioned often. I will add this to my list. Basically I want all my products ready to go before proceeding. Thank You.

**Chark** · 01-07-2021, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Forestdweller

Thats the problem with internet and youtube searches, often inconclusive. The clomid was brought up and many prefer Nolva over clomid and some took both but no solid follow up posts I could find. But taking both was mentioned often. I will add this to my list. Basically I want all my products ready to go before proceeding. Thank You.

It’s more that clomid & nolva serve different functions vs. being a matter of preference. It’s thought that the use of both offers the best chance of restarting your HPTA quicker.

**Chark** · 01-07-2021, 08:23 AM

Reading through this I thought “man, this guy has a good head on his shoulders.” I looked back at OP and saw he mentioned he was 50. Yep.

Youth is wasted on the young.

**Forestdweller** · 01-07-2021, 01:11 PM

Its good to be on this forum, because trying to make sensible, informed choices and to get educated from internet articles and youtube clips is a bit misleading and confusing and it would be easy make a really bad choice, especially for a newcomer.

**Gallowmere** · 01-07-2021, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Forestdweller

Its good to be on this forum, because trying to make sensible, informed choices and to get educated from internet articles and youtube clips is a bit misleading and confusing and it would be easy make a really bad choice, especially for a newcomer.

There are a small handful of REALLY good and knowledgeable AAS guys to be found in those places. Broderick Chavez and Alex Kikel come to mind. That said, they know their value, so they don’t give away everything they know for free.

**Chark** · 01-07-2021, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gallowmere

There are a small handful of REALLY good and knowledgeable AAS guys to be found in those places. Broderick Chavez and Alex Kikel come to mind. That said, they know their value, so they don’t give away everything they know for free.

Thank Gallow, there’s a name I didn’t know. I’ll check him out.