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    What is required to achieve success with AS

    Hi,

    I ve been wondering why among all users of As, some get a wonderful body while others get a satisfactory or horrible body.

    AS will not suffice to reach a ripped and massive body.

    Is it due to the diet ? If yes how come many pro bodybuilders eat a lot of fastfood craps and stay lean ?
    Is it due to their workout ? Is it because they do not often work out or because they do not lift heavy ?

    I assume that everyone taking AS will have gains but maybe not the targeted achievement. I ve seen a lot of users who take AS and are not ripped at all. They have no abs and they have no definition.

    In summary, what does it take to reach a ripped and massive body ? What is the perfect combo ? What are the rules to follow when on AS ?

    And after, how to maintain this perfect body without getting bigger ?
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    I am not a professional but there are things that add up imo. For example:

    1. Some people start using AAS from an early age while their endocrine system is not fully developed, which results in a messed up HPTA and closed growth plates which means you will not be getting any taller or wider.
    2. They don't have proper foundation and training experience.
    3. They don't know the fundamentals of diet, training & rest.
    4. Doing stupid cycles and relying too much on steroids , you have to work first steroids are just the tool, they are not magic pills.
    5. Not doing enough research, reading is the key.

    Everyone is built different thus there can be few exceptions when some people don't people get fat while doing a dirty bulk and some people like myself get a lot. Their genetics and their body type (Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph) determine their characteristics. Train and learn your body you will get to know what works for you.

    I hope someone more experienced will clear things out for you.
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    The best of bodybuilders have insane genetics. The rest are amazing responders to AAS. I am naturally a big guy and I’m on 125 mg and look like I do I my pic. I have taken up to almost a gram of test and didn’t change much. I saw maybe a 5-10 lb increase. I do not have good genetics for bodybuilding, but still better than 90% of the male population. Other guys look like they never lifted without steroids but blow up on moderate doses (Kevin Levrone comes to mind).

    A solid diet and workout plan is the basis of bodybuilding, but it doesn’t matter if the genetics are not there. AAS, insulin , growth hormone , peptides, ancillaries, diuretics, T3, clen , SEOs, etc., are all a part of this sport. Better genetics allow for less abuse of drugs, but at a competitive level, it’s a big science project.
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    I was in a car wreck back in 93. I suffer from nerve damage, which also took away muscle. I am 50 now, and I would like to get on Deca Durabolin a light easy on the heart hgh... but I am scared of scams and fakes.... I would like to finish my life out not in a wheelchair... just need some direction,.. where to go for gear... Trying to have a better quality of life for my last 1/4. [email protected] Thanks

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    First of all, everybody's definition of "success from AS" will vary.

    But I don't think it's one particular vector. But rather everything. Your natural ability and genetic max plays a role. How well your body responds to gear. How much rest you can get. What your diet consists of and when you eat. How you train, etc.

    Even if your body responds well to gear. You'll get better results by training hard and in a way that it better helps achieve your goal. Same with rest and nutrition.
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    It all depends - period

    I never thought I could look & feel like I do - thx steroids . . . Side effects, well
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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionplus1 View Post
    I was in a car wreck back in 93. I suffer from nerve damage, which also took away muscle. I am 50 now, and I would like to get on Deca Durabolin a light easy on the heart hgh... but I am scared of scams and fakes.... I would like to finish my life out not in a wheelchair... just need some direction,.. where to go for gear... Trying to have a better quality of life for my last 1/4. [email protected] Thanks

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    Are you hijacking my thread ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    Are you hijacking my thread ?
    I’m not even sure what happening tbh…usually someone is offering something or asking for something when they supply an email address but this just reminds me of fly fishing on a day that’s too windy.

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    Awesome question. As guys above said it depends what you want and gear is there to make it "easy" for you but definitely not a magic pill.

    It depends on your diet, your exercise regime and important of all YOUR LIFESTYLE and most important of all WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE? if You want to go ProBB well you gotta act like one and start (nothing happens overnight), you want to be a model, well start and adapt a lifestyle. You change your lifestyle of what you want to look like. I bulk and cut a million times, my body knows when is what, I know what would I do to make my abs standout and what I need to do to put more size on if I
    want to, human body is a crazy thing. You learn your body and your body learns from your lifestyle, you also learn about AAS and how YOUR body reacts to different compounds and dosages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    First of all, everybody's definition of "success from AS" will vary.

    But I don't think it's one particular vector. But rather everything. Your natural ability and genetic max plays a role. How well your body responds to gear. How much rest you can get. What your diet consists of and when you eat. How you train, etc.

    Even if your body responds well to gear. You'll get better results by training hard and in a way that it better helps achieve your goal. Same with rest and nutrition.
    I don t think it s a mattef of genetics.

    Genetics play certainly a role but we can not only rely on genetics... every body react to AS... genetics play only a role in the last %.

    Anyway I never made a cycle so it s just a guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    I don t think it s a mattef of genetics.

    Genetics play certainly a role but we can not only rely on genetics... every body react to AS... genetics play only a role in the last %.

    Anyway I never made a cycle so it s just a guess...
    I disagree wholeheartedly…I think genetics can’t be understated.

    My beliefs anyways…
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    I disagree wholeheartedly…I think genetics can’t be understated.

    My beliefs anyways…
    Definitely. I could take bigger cycles than Arnold for a decade straight and I still wouldn’t have a chest like his.

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    According to my calculations I should be dead with at least one organ failure by now
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    I don t think it s a mattef of genetics.

    Genetics play certainly a role but we can not only rely on genetics... every body react to AS... genetics play only a role in the last %.

    Anyway I never made a cycle so it s just a guess...
    Genetics play a huge role. Some people are naturally gifted as far as lean muscle is concerned before they even touch gear. Some people have rounder muscle bellies than others. Some naturally put on strength better. We all have our own natural limitations.

    Then you the people who are hyper responders to gear. And you have the hypo responders who have to take massive doses to get the same effects as the hyper responders at a lower dose. And then they have to deal with sides.

    Most people's genetics land them somewhere in the middle of each group though. And that shouldn't discourage anyone. Most of us will never have a body that will land us at The Olympia, but it doesn't mean we can take what we have and make the most of it.
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    Even bone density and bone thickness that add to the illusion of bigger muscles plays a difference.

    Think of the opposite and the “fat gene”, it’s the same principles.

    I can eat bread and butter all day every day and not gain weight, have a best friend that says the word “biscuits” and puts on 10# of fat
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    Genetics 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    Definitely. I could take bigger cycles than Arnold for a decade straight and I still wouldn’t have a chest like his.
    Maybe not like him but a real and strong chest like jay cutler or kevin levrone or someone else...

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    Its genetics plain and simple. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Its genetics plain and simple. End of story.

    Pretty darn much

    I’ve personally known guys that are bigger & way stronger than I am - natural af

    While I’m over here trying to play catch up


    Or - u got guys who will never even look like me, killing themselves tryin to catch up to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    Maybe not like him but a real and strong chest like jay cutler or kevin levrone or someone else...
    Dude, Jay Cutler is a genetic freak. The only way you're going to get a chest like his is if you use a shitload of gear and have his genetics (and train and eat as hard as he does).
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    Genetics plays a huge role but there's also a bit of trial and error when it comes to diet/training/compounds. There's no one size fits all, one guy says this worked for him while another guy says something else gave him the best results. Spending time learning how your body responds to training/diet/various compounds will help you figure out what works best for your genetics. Some people respond better to certain compounds while another person doesn't see nearly the same results with the same doses. The top bodybuilders aren't always taking the most gear, their genetics allow them to hyper-respond to amount of gear they are taking. I guess the good news is gene editing technology is advancing rapidly and perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years we'll all be able to edit our genes to make us mass monsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoTriceps View Post
    Genetics plays a huge role but there's also a bit of trial and error when it comes to diet/training/compounds. There's no one size fits all, one guy says this worked for him while another guy says something else gave him the best results. Spending time learning how your body responds to training/diet/various compounds will help you figure out what works best for your genetics. Some people respond better to certain compounds while another person doesn't see nearly the same results with the same doses. The top bodybuilders aren't always taking the most gear, their genetics allow them to hyper-respond to amount of gear they are taking. I guess the good news is gene editing technology is advancing rapidly and perhaps in the next 5 to 10 years we'll all be able to edit our genes to make us mass monsters.

    Agree with trial and error, but if you are born with narrow shoulders, an ectomorph frame, a fast metabolism and thin bone structure, I don’t give a shit how much trial and error you do, how many incline flies and how many gallons of test, Deca , and tren you shoot into your ass…you’re not going to be a “mass monster” or have Arnold’s chest

    Conversely, the “country strong” farm kid (we all know the one) that looks like a grown man in high school, fills out naturally and then trials and errors with compounds, food and technique will have an absolutely different result and probably won’t need nearly as much work.

    Some people are just born with it…hence genetics and the answer of this thread. We all have our definition of what “success” is. But side by side, all things being the same. Diet, exercises, compounds, the unique modifier that is the true difference maker is who your parents are.

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    You guys really think having thick bones helps with bodybuilding? Almost every bodybuilding podcast or interview I've watched talks about "small joints" being so important in bodybuilding (at least for pros). Flex Wheeler is one of the best examples. It leads to a very 3d look, because the same muscle on smaller bones looks more impressive than on larger ones. Now if we're talking about bone structure, then I agree that a larger bone structure is better (well, small hips and wide shoulders).
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    What is required to achieve success with AS

    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    You guys really think having thick bones helps with bodybuilding? Almost every bodybuilding podcast or interview I've watched talks about "small joints" being so important in bodybuilding (at least for pros). Flex Wheeler is one of the best examples. It leads to a very 3d look, because the same muscle on smaller bones looks more impressive than on larger ones. Now if we're talking about bone structure, then I agree that a larger bone structure is better (well, small hips and wide shoulders).
    Great point… I have heard many people talk about how having a thin waist can help the V look and make a taper look better. But we aren’t talking about Napoleon dynamite thin so there definitely is a genetic balance.

    I’d say thickness helps to put on mass and is best for a pure strength perspective, but being thin genetically in some places is definitely an advantage as far as aesthetic physique. I think many of us appreciate the classic physique look as much or more than modern body builder look.
    Last edited by DinAZ; 09-08-2021 at 07:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    You guys really think having thick bones helps with bodybuilding? Almost every bodybuilding podcast or interview I've watched talks about "small joints" being so important in bodybuilding (at least for pros). Flex Wheeler is one of the best examples. It leads to a very 3d look, because the same muscle on smaller bones looks more impressive than on larger ones. Now if we're talking about bone structure, then I agree that a larger bone structure is better (well, small hips and wide shoulders).
    Bone structure is probably the better nomenclature but actually thick done density can give the appearance of larger muscles by pushing the musculature close to the skin and adding to the illusion of “bigger muscles”.

    There is absolutely a bone to muscle ratio that is directly tied to genetics.

    Primal Barbarian had a great article on a year or two ago, basically saying that having larger bones will obviously help you put on more mass which is critical. So whether you call it bone structure, bone density or bone size, it’s absolutely important to your muscles and again a direct result of your genetics.

    Don’t get wrapped around the axle of the finite details. OP understated the role of genetics and clearly you can’t overstate them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Dude, Jay Cutler is a genetic freak. The only way you're going to get a chest like his is if you use a shitload of gear and have his genetics (and train and eat as hard as he does).
    He must be talking about Jay Cutler, former Chicago Bears quarterback, and not the bodybuilder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    I don t think it s a mattef of genetics.

    Genetics play certainly a role but we can not only rely on genetics... every body react to AS... genetics play only a role in the last %.

    Anyway I never made a cycle so it s just a guess...
    You’re definitely underestimating genetics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Agree with trial and error, but if you are born with narrow shoulders, an ectomorph frame, a fast metabolism and thin bone structure, I don’t give a shit how much trial and error you do, how many incline flies and how many gallons of test, Deca , and tren you shoot into your ass…you’re not going to be a “mass monster” or have Arnold’s chest

    Conversely, the “country strong” farm kid (we all know the one) that looks like a grown man in high school, fills out naturally and then trials and errors with compounds, food and technique will have an absolutely different result and probably won’t need nearly as much work.

    Some people are just born with it…hence genetics and the answer of this thread. We all have our definition of what “success” is. But side by side, all things being the same. Diet, exercises, compounds, the unique modifier that is the true difference maker is who your parents are.
    I think your view on ectomorphs is off. Thinner bones are a bonus some people recognize.

    You do know the skeletal system can grow and strengthen with training right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    You’re definitely underestimating genetics!
    We ll see.

    I have the crappiest genetic that someone could have.

    I am a super endemorph and I went from 34% BF to 24% and then to 18%.

    In 4 month I will start my first cycle and we will see if genetics are the main point to a super body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    We ll see.

    I have the crappiest genetic that someone could have.

    I am a super endemorph and I went from 34% BF to 24% and then to 18%.

    In 4 month I will start my first cycle and we will see if genetics are the main point to a super body.
    Cool story bro and good luck with your super body, I wish you nothing but success
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    Cool story bro and good luck with your super body, I wish you nothing but success
    Thank you.

    I am eager to see if genetics is so important.

    This is not only a goal to achieve but also a scientific experiment.

    See you in 4 or 6 months. ( I will try to reach my maximum natty potential without anabos).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinAZ View Post
    Cool story bro and good luck with your super body, I wish you nothing but success
    Yours always positive brother, appreciate that about you, DinAz

    Best of luck TML
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.muscled.lawyer View Post
    We ll see.

    I have the crappiest genetic that someone could have.

    I am a super endemorph and I went from 34% BF to 24% and then to 18%.

    In 4 month I will start my first cycle and we will see if genetics are the main point to a super body.
    Maybe you don't have the crappiest genetics? Maybe you weren't using the best diet for your body? Maybe the kind of training you respond to is different than what you've been doing? Experiment with things and then tell us if you have crappy genetics or not.

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