For all you bad ass tkd bashers this is for you

**sonar1234** · 02-16-2006, 10:14 AM

This is gonna shut some of you up,

I have found a TKD fight worth to see against Muay Thai hehehehe this is the true power of TKD not some skinny little lam ass fool taking on a guy 70 pounds heavier then him.

I have new found respect for TKD has i practiced the art for 7 years and fighters like theses where the ones shinning true.

Enjoy boys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4OirV64Uic&search=TKD

Another one cool sparring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvTQLX9hqKI&search=TKD

Bad ass chick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9vw8dX3l70&search=TKD

KO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93DRFphSKg&search=TKD

All in all this board is very respectful but when it comes to tkd it has not been at all, depending on the school where you learn tkd and the style very important not ITF but WTF is the best and full contact.

Hope you guys enjoy this and please pay a bit more respect to tkd in the future cause theses guys in the clips are real fighters not bullshit movies posted here to ridicule tkd.

**simm** · 02-16-2006, 10:32 AM

Respect to anybody that puts their heart and guts into training!! 1 thing tho..The 1st clip of guy in suit vs 'thai boxer'' was very poor as 'who' are these guys and the tkd guy can kick but has very crappy hand skills..Good traditional martial arts yet these would be rendered useless in pride/ufc or even a street fight...No disrespect tho...Everyone to their own!!!

**Chris Columbus** · 02-16-2006, 11:01 AM

IF you pit a Thai Boxer and a TKD stylist of equal size and skill in the ring the Thai boxer will win every time. There is a reason that TKD isn't practiced in NHB circles and that is that it does not work. TKD only works if you have an unaggressive opponent who stays in long range just like that "thai boxer" in the clip did. TKD has little to offer in standing grappling range, or hand range. As far as kicking goes, the TKD kicks are often weak relying upon the snap that comes from the knee rather than using the hip and the body weight which results in kicks that have little effectiveness on solid oppnents unless they land to the head.

**Chris Columbus** · 02-16-2006, 11:04 AM

The only decent TKD that I have ever seen has been mixed with so much other stuff that it really isn't TKD.

**simm** · 02-16-2006, 11:52 AM

Kyukoshinkai karate is a better choice than tkd IMO...Yet even that is fairly weak striking wise!

**sonar1234** · 02-16-2006, 01:28 PM

MMA wise you cannot be only a tkd fighter, you need some good hands techiques and a lot more.

Evolution of TKD should have some leg kicks and knees added to it with more hands techniques to make it a complete sport.

Kyo Kushin is the baddest karate around for sure , i have trained in Kyo kushin and its really hard on the body.

**oldman** · 02-16-2006, 01:43 PM

I took TKD for 2.5 years when I was in Florida and I found it to bulky to use in a real fighting situation. Mostly when it was close contact.. After I stopped taking TKD I went over to American Kempo and to me that is a great in normal fighting situations. I trained under a guy taught by Ed Parker, this dude was tiny and would tear up the guys coming in from TKD schools.

TKD to me is too showy.

My 2 cents

~Old

**Chris Columbus** · 02-16-2006, 02:13 PM

Also, most traditional martial arts aside from Muay Thai, a few systems of kung fu*, Pilipino martial arts, and a few systems that I have not encountered have very poor to nonexistent footwork. You can tell almost everything you need to know about a fighter by how he moves his feet and his on-guard position. Can he hit hard? Is he coming forward? Will he back pedal, or will he be a counter fighter? Traditional martial artist often train from static positions without any meaningful footwork. A person may train for 3-4 years before developing the appropriate footwork to begin to become effective in a real situation. One the other hand, Muay Thai, boxing, Pilipino martial arts and other practical systems teach footwork from the beginning which means that they move better and faster conserving more energy. Moreover, footwork oriented systems have better defense and they hit harder.

Finally, no matter how tough that TKD guy look in that fight. He could have given an even better showing if he were a Muay Thai practioner.

* While traditional kung fu often has decent footwork, it has problems that relate to its stances, strikes, and other unconventional ideas pertaining to fighting.

**sonar1234** · 02-16-2006, 06:55 PM

Has mentioned earlier tkd is incomplete in close encounter.

Now has you could see the tkd fighter add some good hand techiques too not just the feet.

I will never get back into tkd cause for sure its incomplete has an art.

**sonar1234** · 02-16-2006, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by oldman

I took TKD for 2.5 years when I was in Florida and I found it to bulky to use in a real fighting situation. Mostly when it was close contact.. After I stopped taking TKD I went over to American Kempo and to me that is a great in normal fighting situations. I trained under a guy taught by Ed Parker, this dude was tiny and would tear up the guys coming in from TKD schools.

TKD to me is too showy.

My 2 cents

~Old

Kempo is a very good karate style, i would put it second best to Kyo Kushin and far far far better then shotokan karate with all theses worthless katas YUKE.

**oldman** · 02-16-2006, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

Kempo is a very good karate style, i would put it second best to Kyo Kushin and far far far better then shotokan karate with all theses worthless katas YUKE.

I found it very interesting to learn Kempo after doing the TKD.. so much hand/elbow strikes. I do not think a lot of the hits are that powerful but they can sure hit a guy a lot of times quickly

I have not been taking any MA at all for a while I would like to get back into it but not sure what the best one to go with. there a BJJ place up north of me. Any thoughts?

~Old

**Chris Columbus** · 02-16-2006, 10:53 PM

oops

**GQ-Bouncer** · 02-17-2006, 01:50 AM

cool videos

just goes to prove it's the fighter, not the style, who wins the fight

**craneboy** · 02-17-2006, 06:26 AM

i dont disrespect any style, a person can either fight or he cant. the ones who make a style look bad are people who cant fight in the first place and take ma thinking it will make them a fighter

**oldman** · 02-17-2006, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by craneboy

i dont disrespect any style, a person can either fight or he cant. the ones who make a style look bad are people who cant fight in the first place and take ma thinking it will make them a fighter

I agree on this but it is not just in MA/fighting this is on everything.. it does not matter if people feel like they fall short on something they talk like it is bad.. I took TKD so I know what it was like and I found it to fancy/showy. I was good IMO but there were plenty of guys better and kicked me arse many time. I am more of a brawler than a style fighter I try to get people off their feet and tie them up and pound them into the pavement. well that is when I was a younger man.. now I am old..

I have had my head handed to me many of times but what does not kill you makes you... well bleed a lot.. hahaha..

~Old

**sonar1234** · 02-17-2006, 12:43 PM

TKD for me was one hell of a discipline, when you decide to compete its not just going to the classes twice a week and going for your belts.

Its really a commitement, i mean studying tapes of your opponants, the ones that are always in the same weight division has you and belts has you.

There is the running that you need to get cause in class you are not gonna get your cardio up enought to compete in the round robins.

Most of the time when i arrived at the competition depending on how many fighters there was they would combine heavyweights with middleweights.

One sure thing is that tkd no matter what is really fun, you feel like your in an action movie LOL.

You still need the hand techiques for close encouters and thats where tkd falls short.

Many kickboxers started with tkd then moved on to boxing techniques.

**sonar1234** · 02-17-2006, 12:43 PM

TKD for me was one hell of a discipline, when you decide to compete its not just going to the classes twice a week and going for your belts.

Its really a commitement, i mean studying tapes of your opponants, the ones that are always in the same weight division has you and belts has you.

There is the running that you need to get cause in class you are not gonna get your cardio up enought to compete in the round robins.

Most of the time when i arrived at the competition depending on how many fighters there was they would combine heavyweights with middleweights.

One sure thing is that tkd no matter what is really fun, you feel like your in an action movie LOL.

You still need the hand techiques for close encouters and thats where tkd falls short.

Many kickboxers started with tkd then moved on to boxing techniques.

**roccoswello** · 02-19-2006, 12:54 AM

That Muay Thai kid was a joke. He didn't even strike, just steady taking the tkd kids kicks. Another thing, those kicks were flashy but Im 5'9" 155 lbs and I could have rushed that tkd kid no pro in the first 30 sec and those little wimpy kicks would not bother me. Then it's to the ground with him. Bet I win on the ground. Or if I did have to stand you gotta stay real close in on that dude and you could knock him out. Main thing is you gotta do something, not just stand there....

**sonar1234** · 02-19-2006, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by roccoswello

That Muay Thai kid was a joke. He didn't even strike, just steady taking the tkd kids kicks. Another thing, those kicks were flashy but Im 5'9" 155 lbs and I could have rushed that tkd kid no pro in the first 30 sec and those little wimpy kicks would not bother me. Then it's to the ground with him. Bet I win on the ground. Or if I did have to stand you gotta stay real close in on that dude and you could knock him out. Main thing is you gotta do something, not just stand there....

Problem is that you did not pay attention to the video jack, this was kickboxing, not MMA or NHB fight.

You cant say nothing unless you been there, i competed in tkd and to tell ya the first couple of times its pertty scary. I was a middle weight and when they mix heavyweights with use i got bang a lot, 170 pounds guy getting push kicked by a 250 pound guy shows.

**roccoswello** · 02-19-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

Problem is that you did not pay attention to the video jack, this was kickboxing, not MMA or NHB fight.

Originally Posted by roccoswello

Or if I did have to stand you gotta stay real close in on that dude and you could knock him out. Main thing is you gotta do something, not just stand there....

Are you reading the same thing I am?

**sonar1234** · 02-19-2006, 06:27 PM

Sorry bro but it just pisses me off when people compare a kickboxing match to an mma bout.

I really is not the same at all.

**roccoswello** · 02-20-2006, 07:11 PM

No probs man. I just kind of took offense to that kid being called a Muay Thai practitioner. He was dressed right but that's about it.

I used to be in Shotokan and I hated it when people told me how impractical it was. I even stayed in it for a while after I realized it was bogus just so I wouldn't be giving in.

Tae Kwon Do is great for lots of things. My 6 yr old is in it.

It teaches respect, discipline, morals, ethics, tradition. It's great for coordination, reflexes, cardio workout etc.

Just depends what you are trying to achieve wheather it's worth it or not.

**sonar1234** · 02-21-2006, 07:51 AM

Just depends what you are trying to achieve wheather it's worth it or not.

(roccoswello you got the strongest point here )

Not everyone practive an art to become a professional fighter, i am with you on saying that TKD will never ever rule MMA but in stand up fights like kickboxing it has a chanc.

I have also practiced shotokan karate and competed in 2 point system bullshit, i got kocked out when i changed styles and moved on to kyo kushin karate which has more of a sense of the real thing.

There is a guy at my job that practice shotokan, everyone in my departement fears and respects him cause of that, i sparred with him few times only to make him look real bad, he is almost a brown belt and doest know how to time is kicks and punches, he doesnt even protect is head will sparring and he is wide open for counter back kicks.

TKD is great for kids has well, and its sure is fun to practice, i used to train a bunch of 6-10 year old when i was green belt man was it funny.