best takedown (technique)

**GQ-Bouncer** · 02-22-2006, 03:57 AM

This is a 'big-guy' move (simple)

1 - Get in your fighting stance

2 - Lock up the clinch position (your right hand on the back of your opponents head, your heads should be in a 'hugging' position)

3 - push slightly ('bulling') so that he will counter your resistance with hopefully more force (trying to push you back)

4 - place your left hand under his arm on his right tricep

5 - keeping a tight clinch bring your knee up and into his the side of his waist, (at the same time) keep your shin horizontal to his waistline and sit your hips back (falling)

6 - you should naturally roll into the mount position

This is my favourite stand-up takedown, essentially at this point i'm not fast enough to perform the leg picks - hence i'm very suceptable to guillotine chokes/sprawls

what are your guys?
(btw, does anyone know the japanese name for this move?)

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 02-22-2006, 07:50 AM

Do what now?

**sonar1234** · 02-22-2006, 04:36 PM

GQ get some video on this would be better.

Thanks bro

**skinnyhb** · 02-22-2006, 05:22 PM

if i get what you are saying it sounds like it takes up a lot of room and is a little extravagant just to avoid his guard.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-22-2006, 07:49 PM

Sounds like Tomoenage or a variant to it. We were also taught in BJJ to go to mount from here but it is better to take cross side like this IMO as you can immediately attack the arm or secure a solid cross side position.

http://judoinfo.com/images/video/sarah/Tomoe_Nage.wmv

**Panzerfaust** · 02-22-2006, 07:53 PM

Speaking of throws, when i was testing for ym blue belt in BJJ back in 00' i got thrown through the mat with this, and i'll be damned if it was'nt by a girl testing with us. Chris Saunders (First American to recieve Black Belt under Rickson) looked at me and was like "Are you ok" lol

http://judoinfo.com/images/video/sarah/O-Soto-Gari.wmv

**GQ-Bouncer** · 02-22-2006, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Sounds like Tomoenage or a variant to it. We were also taught in BJJ to go to mount from here but it is better to take cross side like this IMO as you can immediately attack the arm or secure a solid cross side position.

http://judoinfo.com/images/video/sarah/Tomoe_Nage.wmv

yeah, it's a variant, the next time i go to the club i'll bring my digi-cam and show a clip

**sonar1234** · 02-22-2006, 08:31 PM

muriloninja back in 1988 when i switch from the very bad and useless shotokan karate to the full contact kyo kushin kay i was 14 at that time and got knocked out by a girl, before the fight i went to my sensei and told him why in the hell am i fighting a girl, he told me watch out she is a champ.

She told me to put my hands up to protect my head and she would not tell me again, of course being the little cocky bastard that i was at that time i just ignore her advise and she blasted me with a mayashi geri to the head while opening with some punches.

Saw blue, everywhere then everything blacked out.

I learned my lesson even in tkd i always kept my guard up LOL.

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 02-22-2006, 11:01 PM

Hey GQ, definitely do that. Id be interested in seeing it.

**gymnutt** · 02-22-2006, 11:14 PM

IMO you can never go wrong with a basic double leg. I see a lot of guys go for ankle picks in the gym and get away with it for the simple fact most gyms wont let their students hammer a guy in the back of the head while he's low. Knee blocks I think kind of leave you open like a pick. Hip throws and whizzers you take a fair risk to lose your back, but if your fast, you can sure knock the wind out of someone fast. With a double leg your head's up to prevent a guiliotine and if you have strong legs and low back it's really hard to go wrong. At best you pick him up high and bodyslam Rampage style, or, if you can't suck in his sprawl drop into your guard. I trained with a lot of good collegiate level wrestlers, had a tough time defending against the double legs so I finally started working on them and am kind of partial to them now. Just my 2 cents, I'm just another piece of meat in the gym.

**USfighterFC** · 02-22-2006, 11:42 PM

I prefer the Uchimata....easy throw, hard to defend....but otherwise I'll just go for a double leg if I know I can get it.

**USfighterFC** · 02-22-2006, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by gymnutt

IMO you can never go wrong with a basic double leg. I see a lot of guys go for ankle picks in the gym and get away with it for the simple fact most gyms wont let their students hammer a guy in the back of the head while he's low. Knee blocks I think kind of leave you open like a pick. Hip throws and whizzers you take a fair risk to lose your back, but if your fast, you can sure knock the wind out of someone fast. With a double leg your head's up to prevent a guiliotine and if you have strong legs and low back it's really hard to go wrong. At best you pick him up high and bodyslam Rampage style, or, if you can't suck in his sprawl drop into your guard. I trained with a lot of good collegiate level wrestlers, had a tough time defending against the double legs so I finally started working on them and am kind of partial to them now. Just my 2 cents, I'm just another piece of meat in the gym.

Only problem with a double leg is your susceptible to a really hard knee what will most likely cause the lights to go out. You dive in, he throws a knee at the top of your head and game over. Igor Vovchanchyn versus Nick Nutter.

**gymnutt** · 02-23-2006, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by USfighterFC

Only problem with a double leg is your susceptible to a really hard knee what will most likely cause the lights to go out. You dive in, he throws a knee at the top of your head and game over. Igor Vovchanchyn versus Nick Nutter.

Very true.. I've been lucky enough to never catch one of those in the chin. One thing I used drill alot in muay thai was to control the anterior aspect of the upper quad, MOST of the time I feel like I can control a knee by blocking its momentum at the thigh with my forearms when I shoot..BUT, I think I would rather get cracked over the head with a bat than catch a knee to the noggin coming in if he was a little faster than me.....Thanks for pointing out something I can definately use.

**gymnutt** · 02-23-2006, 12:08 AM

BTW USFighter, what's a Uchimata? It sounds like it might go well with wasabi and ginger.

**GQ-Bouncer** · 02-23-2006, 12:12 AM

Uchimata

**gymnutt** · 02-23-2006, 12:17 AM

GQ, I can't see your pic. Can you describe it?

**GQ-Bouncer** · 02-23-2006, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by gymnutt

GQ, I can't see your pic. Can you describe it?

sorry dude, heres another one

**Panzerfaust** · 02-23-2006, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by USfighterFC

Only problem with a double leg is your susceptible to a really hard knee what will most likely cause the lights to go out. You dive in, he throws a knee at the top of your head and game over. Igor Vovchanchyn versus Nick Nutter.

CroCop vs Fujita, Pele vs Matt Hughes, Anderson Silva vs Newton (not sure if Newton was going for a double but he dropped down for a TD).

Doubles are more easily defended in todays MMA so you see alot of guys doing more Greco Roman wrestling and tying up and securing the TD from within a clinch ala Randy Couture.

Arona is an exception to this rule though, that is one strong ****er even though Wand shut down a shit load of his TD attempts last time but Arona can secure good doubles like no other. I think he is so consistent based on he shoots just as his opponent begins to come forward and throw punches whereas Coleman and some of the other wrestlers shoot before their opponent presses the action.

Like Coleman said in his latest interview on Sherdog, CroCop had no respect for his hands and stuffed his TD's like it was nothing.

**USfighterFC** · 02-23-2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

CroCop vs Fujita, Pele vs Matt Hughes, Anderson Silva vs Newton (not sure if Newton was going for a double but he dropped down for a TD).

Doubles are more easily defended in todays MMA so you see alot of guys doing more Greco Roman wrestling and tying up and securing the TD from within a clinch ala Randy Couture.

Arona is an exception to this rule though, that is one strong ****er even though Wand shut down a shit load of his TD attempts last time but Arona can secure good doubles like no other. I think he is so consistent based on he shoots just as his opponent begins to come forward and throw punches whereas Coleman and some of the other wrestlers shoot before their opponent presses the action.

Like Coleman said in his latest interview on Sherdog, CroCop had no respect for his hands and stuffed his TD's like it was nothing.

The thing is you know exactly what coleman is going to do. You can see his gameplan years ahead of time. His shoot wasnt bad against cro-cop but its so anticipated it becomes easy to defend. He never stands with anyone and always goes for GNP. Too one dimensional.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-23-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by USfighterFC

The thing is you know exactly what coleman is going to do. You can see his gameplan years ahead of time. His shoot wasnt bad against cro-cop but its so anticipated it becomes easy to defend. He never stands with anyone and always goes for GNP. Too one dimensional.

Exactly, you got to throw hands long enough to engage and secure that take down.

Perfect example of this is the Nog vs CroCop fight. Nog threw just enough to get CroCop to react and BAM secures the double and finished off with a beautiful armbar. He was taking a beating in the first round becaus he was just shooting in.

**zimmy** · 02-23-2006, 04:28 PM

i am still having problems imaging this move... and why not put your foot on the inside thigh? Or hook the knee (depending which way you are rolling the person)?

**USfighterFC** · 02-23-2006, 09:10 PM

You are putting your leg on the inside of his thigh. Trying to grab a knee is to difficult at such a close range and it leaves you susceptible to a lot. If you reach down for my leg I will easily power out of it and throw a knee in your face.

**GQ-Bouncer** · 02-23-2006, 10:51 PM

I got a guillotine choke from a double leg TD attempt on one of our clubs pro-fighters - and i consider this guy WAY WAY WAY beyond my level (during sparring)